Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

Overheal

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/world/asia/26japan.html?_r=1

Evacuation zone increased from 12, to 19 miles. US advisement remains at 50 miles.

Run_to_da_hills

vibe666 wrote: »

have you got a legitimate news source for this other than a post on zerohedge leading to a tweet from someone who 'heard it' from someone else leading nowhere?

the closest thing i can find is someone hinting that the US NRC has *unofficially* raised the alert level themselves, but none of the regular news sources seem to be carrying that story and there don't appear to be any official statements confirming this anywhere.

EDIT: actually i'll take that back , i found reference to it here: http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103250204.html

still no official sources yet tho, but it probably should be level 6 at this stage.

Its obvious now, one cannot now equalize Fukushima with 3 Mile Island especially if the facts are not being disclosed.

Lack of data from Japan distresses nuclear experts.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-sci-japan-quake-secrecy-20110325%2C0%2C3610246.story

Rob A. Bank

As the small heroic band of engineers and electricians continue to battle to contain an evolving disaster in four damaged reactors, it is becoming increasingly apparent that they lack competent and efficient leadership.

Sending men into a wet contaminated radioactive environment with ankle high boots is criminal.

“Electrical engineering firm Kandenko Co., which employs the two, said its workers were not required to wear rubber boots as its safety manuals did not assume a scenario in which its employees would carry out work standing in water at a nuclear power plant.”

“Referring to the absence of a person who should have been in charge of radiation-level monitoring, Kaieda, the minister of economy, trade and industry, told a press conference in Tokyo, ''This is a very big, basic oversight.''“

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81122.html

Homer Simpson in charge ?

:mad:

Run_to_da_hills

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

As the small heroic band of engineers and electricians continue to battle to contain an evolving disaster in four damaged reactors, it is becoming increasingly apparent that they lack competent and efficient leadership.

Sending men into a wet contaminated radioactive environment with ankle high boots is criminal.

“Electrical engineering firm Kandenko Co., which employs the two, said its workers were not required to wear rubber boots as its safety manuals did not assume a scenario in which its employees would carry out work standing in water at a nuclear power plant.”

“Referring to the absence of a person who should have been in charge of radiation-level monitoring, Kaieda, the minister of economy, trade and industry, told a press conference in Tokyo, ''This is a very big, basic oversight.''“

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81122.html

Homer Simpson in charge ?

:mad:

And these same people that are sending this brave team are suppressing the truth on the reality of issues.

They finally admit that deadly MOX Plutonium is spewing out of the core of reactor three.

http://www.infowars.com/japanese-authorities-admit-deadly-mox-plutonium-reactor-is-leaking/

gargleblaster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Lack of data from Japan distresses nuclear experts.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-sci-japan-quake-secrecy-20110325%2C0%2C3610246.story

this is news? hasn't this been going on since the start?

Run_to_da_hills

gargleblaster wrote: »

this is news? hasn't this been going on since the start?

It has but international concern is growing, countries now want answers, facts and figures particularly as this issue has no international boundaries. i wouldn't be surprised if an international crack team is sent in in order to put the figures straight and let us know the reality of the situation.

vibe666

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its obvious now, one cannot now equalize Fukushima with 3 Mile Island especially if the facts are not being disclosed.

Lack of data from Japan distresses nuclear experts.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-sci-japan-quake-secrecy-20110325%2C0%2C3610246.story

over 6 hours since you posted the zerohedge link and i still can't find any official report from anywhere saying fukushima was raised to a level 6 incident, did you find any legit sources yet to confirm your report?

and if the facts are not being disclosed then you cannot equate fukushima with anything, it doesn't just automatically mean you get to classify it however you like.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

i wouldn't be surprised if an international crack team is sent in in order to put the figures straight and let us know the reality of the situation.

to be fair, you wouldn't be all that surprised if aliens came down and beamed all the reactor cores out into space.

i'm sure you'd still get plenty excited bout black CIA helicopters tho.

gbee

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

http://www.infowars.com/japanese-authorities-admit-deadly-mox-plutonium-reactor-is-leaking/

The water now leaking from reactor number 3 has radiation levels 10,000 times above the level of normal reactor water.

THIS IS WRONG. The level of radiation for 'reactor water' as they call it, or coolant as everyone else calls it is NORMAL.

It's above the level of ORDINARY water, not above the level of water that has been around nuclear fuel rods.

My name is URL

gbee wrote: »

THIS IS WRONG. The level of radiation for 'reactor water' as they call it, or coolant as everyone else calls it is NORMAL.

It's above the level of ORDINARY water, not above the level of water that has been around nuclear fuel rods.

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2011/2011-03-25-01.html

Rob A. Bank

An updated model of the spread of Caesium 137 (half life over 30 years) from the French nuclear protection agency.

http://www.irsn.fr/FR/popup/Pages/animation_dispersion_rejets_22mars.aspx

The situation would be an awful lot worse for Japan if they had onshore winds during the fallout. As it is with mostly offshore winds the Pacific recieved most of the radioactive pollution.

gbee

My name is URL wrote: »

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2011/2011-03-25-01.html

AND?

See my earlier post taken directly from the live news conference. approx 10pm Japan Time

Just heard on news that it's 10,000 times the radiation level inside a nuclear reactor.

Just how is this possible?

Jimmy Garlic

There is a massive cover up of the situation... it is obvious now.

Rob A. Bank

gbee wrote: »

AND?

See my earlier post taken directly from the live news conference. approx 10pm Japan Time

Just heard on news that it's 10,000 times the radiation level inside a nuclear reactor.

Just how is this possible?

I'm no nuclear physicist, but it is my understanding that when the reactor is working normally the water circulates around fuel rods that are covered with a film of zirconium. The water gets a little radioactive.... but not much.

The only way the water could get this radioactve is if a fuel rod melted leaving the uranium and ?plutonium exposed to the water. This may have happened in the reactor meltdown or in the spent fuel pools.

Rob A. Bank

16 towns report radioactive Iodine in tap water

Tap water in 16 municipalities across six prefectures has been found to contain a level of radioactive iodine higher than the maximum recommended for infants, prefectural government and other sources said.

However, in some of the municipalities where the standard was exceeded, radioactive iodine later returned to a safe level.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110326a6.html

Run_to_da_hills

Tokyo port will soon be a dead port as major shipping companies are starting to refuse it as radiation fears and uncertainty grows.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/26/business/global/26shipping.html?src=busln

Overheal

Thats bad for relief efforts to say the least

Overheal

When a scientist (A Meteorologist) tries to explain what type of impact this will have on the US (and further on Ireland) Please dont go bat**** crazy on him like Nancy Grace did:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/radiation-cable-anchor-science/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Hilarity ensues. Most of it from her ignorance and drawl.

take everything

What is the situation with the other Nuclear power plants on the Eastern Japanese coast.
Have precautionary measures been beefed up with those.
Have they been shut down (if that is what you do with nuclear power stations?).

vibe666

take everything wrote: »

What is the situation with the other Nuclear power plants on the Eastern Japanese coast.
Have precautionary measures been beefed up with those.
Have they been shut down (if that is what you do with nuclear power stations?).

japan has over 50 nuclear power reactors and around 20 research reactors dotted around the islands and all reactors in the earthquake & tsunami zone were shut down successfully, although the fukushima 2 plant (11km up the coast from fukushima 1 where all the trouble is) did have some similar problems with the diesel generators for the coolant pumps getting flooded (after being hit with a 14m tsunami) as they did in the other plant, they were able to work around those problems to restore some cooling to the reactors and then fix the problems relatively quickly without a major incident.

johngalway

Overheal wrote: »

When a scientist (A Meteorologist) tries to explain what type of impact this will have on the US (and further on Ireland) Please dont go bat**** crazy on him like Nancy Grace did:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/radiation-cable-anchor-science/?partner=rss&emc=rss

Hilarity ensues. Most of it from her ignorance and drawl.

She'd fit in incredibly well in AH, or Conspiracy Theories. Perhaps we should send her an invite :pac:

fulhamfanincork

here, whats the story lads? how come rte have stopped reporting? surely if it was bad the news would cover it?

Run_to_da_hills

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

here, whats the story lads? how come rte have stopped reporting? surely if it was bad the news would cover it?

The media are only interested in selling papers, this story is getting tired for a lot of people and they want something different. It won't go away though but will stay in the back ground until something serious crops up.

peasant

gbee wrote: »

Just heard on news that it's 10,000 times the radiation level inside a nuclear reactor.

Just how is this possible?

Somebody must have accidentally peeled a banana

Mister men

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

There is a massive cover up of the situation... it is obvious now.

It's been obvious since day one tbh backed by the media.

Mister men

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

here, whats the story lads? how come rte have stopped reporting? surely if it was bad the news would cover it?

The "news" media are'nt interested in real news. The Beckhams having another baby would be great for them.

Run_to_da_hills

Mister men wrote: »

The "news" media are'nt interested in real news. The Beckhams having another baby would be great for them.

If you want to keep up to date on this issue try some of the foreign and
alternative media sites.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171599.html

http://www.infowars.com/amount-of-radiation-released-from-the-japanese-nuclear-reactors-is-not-safe/

http://www.infowars.com/japan-admits-nuclear-reactor-core-possibly-fractured/

andrew

Woah woah....so what you're saying is that the media aren't interested in playing up a potential disaster....but are for once actually playing down and ignoring something? Well, that's a first.

mgmt

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you want to keep up to date on this issue try some of the foreign and
alternative media sites.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/171599.html

http://www.infowars.com/amount-of-radiation-released-from-the-japanese-nuclear-reactors-is-not-safe/

http://www.infowars.com/japan-admits-nuclear-reactor-core-possibly-fractured/

So you collect your news from the Iranian propaganda news channel and a website run by a complete whacko (Alex Jones).

Run_to_da_hills

mgmt wrote: »

So you collect your news from the Iranian propaganda news channel and a website run by a complete whacko (Alex Jones).

If you cared to read the material you would find quoted source links. Alex jones was perhaps the first to expose the seriousness of the situation when official sources were playing it down.

andrew

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you cared to read the material you would find quoted source links.

Quoted source links...to the very media outlets which you say are ignoring the issue/are untrustworthy.

Where those sources are crap is when they extrapolate beyond what the reports are actually saying and going on about how levels are TEN THOUSAND times above normal and potentially DEADLY (as illustrated by the poster below). 4 Chernobyls? Eh, no.