Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

shadowninty

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you cared to read the material you would find quoted source links. It was Alex jones was perhaps the first to expose the seriousness of the situation when official sources were playing it down.

All I see on PressTV is a Tehran columnist telling us we have 4 Chernobyls

Overheal

shadowninty wrote: »

All I see on PressTV is a Tehran columnist telling us we have 4 Chernobyls

And Iran is developing whatnow? That doesnt really seem in their best interest does it, to be scaremongering nuclear?

mgmt

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

If you cared to read the material you would find quoted source links. It was Alex jones was perhaps the first to expose the seriousness of the situation when official sources were playing it down.

Alex Jones jumps on anything. If you take him seriously you'd be posting from your backyard bombshelter hoarding gold coins.

I think everyone understood the seriousness of the situation. The Japanese didn't prepare though.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110317/pl_afp/japanquakenuclearusmilitaryaid_20110317164527

gbee

Was talking to a woman today collecting for a local charity who are sending out tents and disaster relief boxes to Japan, they've already sent some 500 to Haiti, Christchurch and so forth.

Chatting, she said thankfully we don't get too much of these disaster but the fallout is still a threat to us.

I told her to forget all about that totally. I told her she'd get more radiation from her phone than she would from the Fukushima Dai-ichi, even if they spilt all their plutonium on the ground.

I felt sorry for her as she was in real fear, she's just an ordinary woman collecting for charity on St Patrick's street.

robinph

Radiation is just still a scary word after years of the Cold War and will take a long time before people get over that:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12860842

Rob A. Bank

The disinformation, nonsense and underplaying of the situation from TEPCO goes on… as reported by the BBC.

“Levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant are 1,250 times higher than the safety limit, officials say. The readings were taken about 300m (984ft) offshore...
But the radiation will no longer be a risk after eight days, officials say. ”

The half-life of Iodine 131 is eight days.
That means (as the name suggests) half of it will be gone in 8 days
So in eight days the radiation will be 625 times higher than the safety limit.
In 16 days 312.5 times the safety limit etc etc…
It will be several months until it is below the safety limit.

And you can be damn sure that the leakage from the reactors into the environment is not pure radioactive iodine. It is an alphabet soup of other nasty stuff like Caesium 137 with a half-life of over 30 years and possibly Plutonium 239 with a half live of 24,100 years !

Who do they think they are fooling ?

Overheal

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The disinformation, nonsense and underplaying of the situation from TEPCO goes on… as reported by the BBC.

“Levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant are 1,250 times higher than the safety limit, officials say. The readings were taken about 300m (984ft) offshore...
But the radiation will no longer be a risk after eight days, officials say. ”

The half-life of Iodine 131 is eight days.
That means (as the name suggests) half of it will be gone in 8 days
So in eight days the radiation will be 625 times higher than the safety limit.
In 16 days 312.5 times the safety limit etc etc…
It will be several months until it is below the safety limit.

And you can be damn sure that the leakage from the reactors into the environment is not pure radioactive iodine. It is an alphabet soup of other nasty stuff like Caesium 137 with a half-life of over 30 years and possibly Plutonium 239 with a half live of 24,100 years !

Who do they think they are fooling ?

Are you factoring in the Radioactive Decay Chain for those particles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_chain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Radioactive_decay

After 8.02 days it becomes stable element Xenon 131.

shadowninty

Overheal wrote: »

And Iran is developing whatnow? That doesnt really seem in their best interest does it, to be scaremongering nuclear?

of course its in there interest, second largest exporter of oil!
Look at whats happening in Germany for example

Overheal

whats happening?

shadowninty

Overheal wrote: »

whats happening?

huge protests, government closing plants due to moratorium imposed after what happened in Japan

gbee

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It will be several months until it is below the safety limit.

80 days, just short of three months to ZERO. So far the plutonium is confined.

To catch heavy metal poisoning a fish would have to eat a physical lump of plutonium, then get caught and you'd then have to buy that exact fish and eat it.

Overheal

gbee wrote: »

80 days, just short of three months to ZERO. So far the plutonium is confined.

To catch heavy metal poisoning a fish would have to eat a physical lump of plutonium, then get caught and you'd then have to buy that exact fish and eat it.

Also rob, Are you factoring in the Radioactive Decay Chain for those particles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_chain

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-...ioactive_decay

After 8.02 days it becomes stable element Xenon 131.

Rob A. Bank

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The disinformation, nonsense and underplaying of the situation from TEPCO goes on… as reported by the BBC.

“Levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the tsunami-stricken Fukushima nuclear plant are 1,250 times higher than the safety limit, officials say. The readings were taken about 300m (984ft) offshore...
But the radiation will no longer be a risk after eight days, officials say. ”

The half-life of Iodine 131 is eight days.
That means (as the name suggests) half of it will be gone in 8 days
So in eight days the radiation will be 625 times higher than the safety limit.
In 16 days 312.5 times the safety limit etc etc…
It will be several months until it is below the safety limit.

And you can be damn sure that the leakage from the reactors into the environment is not pure radioactive iodine. It is an alphabet soup of other nasty stuff like Caesium 137 with a half-life of over 30 years and possibly Plutonium 239 with a half live of 24,100 years !

Who do they think they are fooling ?

Are you factoring in the Radioactive Decay Chain for those particles?
After 8.02 days it becomes stable element .

Are you a TEPCO disinformation artist ?
Yes... half of the Iodine 131 will have decayed in 8.02 days.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/halfli.html#c1

andrew

It's in the sea, doesn't matter how long the halflife is, it'll be diluted before it can do any harm.

Rob A. Bank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGrL4luAIAg

At this stage following the accident in Chernobil the reactor was smothered in over 5,000 tons of sand, lead and boric acid and the situation was coming under control, but at a terrible human cost.



In Fukushima essentially all they have done is to run an extension lead from a functioning power line about 1km away, but very little is working in the three most damaged reactors… hardly a ringing endorsement of their competence.

:eek:

andrew

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

At this stage following the accident in Chernobil the reactor was smothered in over 5,000 tons of sand, lead and boric acid and the situation was coming under control, but at a terrible human cost.



In Fukushima essentially all they have done is to run an extension lead from a functioning power line about 1km away, but very little is working in the three most damaged reactors… hardly a ringing endorsement of their competence.

:eek:

You've gotta be trollin' if you're seriously comparing this to Chernobyl

Rob A. Bank

andrew wrote: »

It's in the sea, doesn't matter how long the halflife is, it'll be diluted before it can do any harm.

And what about the same plume of radioactive alphabet soup which was blown onto the land ?

take everything

Overheal wrote: »

After 8.02 days it becomes stable element Xenon 131.

In fairness, half of it decays (not all of it) in 8 days.

Rob A. Bank

andrew wrote: »

You've gotta be trollin' if you're seriously comparing this to Chernobyl

I was comparing the actions taken in the first 17 days in response to a nuclear disaster.

andrew

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

And what about the same plume of radioactive alphabet soup which was blown onto the land ?

The same plume? The iodine in this case is contained within coolent water. The iodine released into the air was released, well into the air. So they're not the 'same.' Anyway, In both cases the amounts were/are too small to cause much of a problem. The sea will dilute the water based iodine, the air will dilute the airborne iodine.

Insect Overlord

The bank-thief's posts are annoying me now.

*un-follows thread*

el diablo

Insect Overlord wrote: »

The bank-thief's posts are annoying me now.

*un-follows thread*

Who can't you just "ignore" him?

shedweller

andrew wrote: »

You've gotta be trollin' if you're seriously comparing this to Chernobyl

In fairness, it's no chernobyl. But on a scale of 1 to 10 its climbing up there.
I hadn't seen that video about chernobyl either. Sobering stuff.
Those lads in japan are dealing with stuff i hope to never deal with. God be with them all.

Rob A. Bank

shedweller wrote: »

In fairness, it's no chernobyl. But on a scale of 1 to 10 its climbing up there.
I hadn't seen that video about chernobyl either. Sobering stuff.
Those lads in japan are dealing with stuff i hope to never deal with. God be with them all.

The other 10 parts are worth a watch too, if you have time.

I agree with you about the lads on the ground in Japan who have to deal with this woeful mess, but I very worried about the quality of their leadership. TEPCO are just not up to the challenge.

Gunsfortoys

Zayden Hallowed Bayonet wrote: »

Way off topic, but I was planning a trip to thailand, should I still go? Its about 2750 miles away from fukuishima.

Donal Og O Baelach

Zayden Hallowed Bayonet wrote: »

Way off topic, but I was planning a trip to thailand, should I still go? Its about 2750 miles away from fukuishima.

I wouldn't go

First of all, your statistically more likely to be killed in a crash on the way to the airport; 2nd - the plane, will more than likely run out of fuel because of the oil crisis and splash down into the pacific ocean (after it flies right through the huge cloud of radioactive dust that is heading this way); If you survive the crash you have a 98% probabilty of being eaten by the giant mutant great white sharks that are propogating as we speak in a giant mutant shark nursery of the coast of Fukushima. On the 2% chance you survive the sharks, you will probably be ok, but be sure to pack a geiger counter and a some iodine tablets.

shedweller

Donal Og O Baelach wrote: »

I wouldn't go

First of all, your statistically more likely to be killed in a crash on the way to the airport; 2nd - the plane, will more than likely run out of fuel because of the oil crisis and splash down into the pacific ocean (after it flies right through the huge cloud of radioactive dust that is heading this way); If you survive the crash you have a 98% probabilty of being eaten by the giant mutant great white sharks that are propogating as we speak in a giant mutant shark nursery of the coast of Fukushima. On the 2% chance you survive the sharks, you will probably be ok, but be sure to pack a geiger counter and a some iodine tablets.

Damn those statisticians! (hows my spelling?!)

MountainDew

shedweller wrote: »

Damn those statisticians! (hows my spelling?!)

*Statistics

Nearly mate

shedweller

Ah yes, but those who dabble in statistics?:)

shedweller

Is this true?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=japans-two-incompatible-power-grids-2011-03-25

Incredibly, the southwestern half of Japan, which largely survived the earthquake and tsunami unscathed, cannot help the northeastern half of the nation, which took the brunt of the damage, because the two sections of the country operate on two separate power grids that are incompatible. As NPR reported on March 24, the southwestern section can actually produce surplus power, but the transmission and distribution system there operates at 60 Hertz, and the northeastern region's grid operates at 50 Hz. This awkward situation, seen clearly on the Japanese map above (blue is 60 Hz, red is 50 Hz), is the legacy of a historic oddity: the "east," as it's referred to in Japan, built its grid based on the German 50 Hz system, and the "west" followed the American 60 Hz system.

How could this happen?