Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

Solnskaya

4leto wrote: »

It happens to be true, there is also other studies about people who live in naturally high radiation environments such as an area rich in granite and there are no increases in cancers or any other diseases and the link provided by the poster is based on a WHO/UN report it was not commissioned by the daily mai,l or Greenpeace who wrote the original projections of the Chernobyl disaster which never came to fruition. We just simply didn't get the increase in cancers they suggested.

So lets see what happens in Japan in the future.

Yeah, and the reactors weren't built by GE, who, in the usual course of events would be bust through the lawsuits imposed, but, because it's GE, it's all good- don't mind them durty hippies spouting nonsense. Or the one tailed swallows, which only means somthing to those who have really studied chernobyls insidious effects.

4leto

Solnskaya wrote: »

Yeah, and the reactors weren't built by GE, who, in the usual course of events would be bust through the lawsuits imposed, but, because it's GE, it's all good- don't mind them durty hippies spouting nonsense. Or the one tailed swallows, which only means somthing to those who have really studied chernobyls insidious effects.

First of all if you did study the effect you would know about this report which was compiled by a multidisciplinary international team by the WHO from between 2003 to 2005 way before the Japanese disaster.

As for the dirty hippies,,what about them

Solnskaya

4leto wrote: »

First of all if you did study the effect you would know about this report which was compiled by a multidisciplinary international team by the WHO from between 2003 to 2005 way before the Japanese disaster.

As for the dirty hippies,,what about them

My hero s. Not sure where the apostrophy goes, if it has one. Anyway, fexk away and sh1te, you're boring me.

ed2hands

The WHO? You must be joking! they're in the pockets of the nuclear industry. Always have been old chap.

4leto

Solnskaya wrote: »

My hero s. Not sure where the apostrophy goes, if it has one. Anyway, fexk away and sh1te, you're boring me.

Awwwww, so you were wrong. I think its heroes.

Solnskaya

4leto wrote: »

Awwwww, so you were wrong. I think its heroes.

spot on. First time in a while.:)

ed2hands

4leto go educate yourself on some reports that are not WHO or industry bull****.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/28/who-nuclear-power-chernobyl

4leto

ed2hands wrote: »

4leto go educate yourself on some reports that are not WHO or industry bull****.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/28/who-nuclear-power-chernobyl

Article by Oliver Tickle writer of Kyoto 2 and a well known environmental campaigner. Mmmm I think I will pass on that journalist educating me on the nuclear industry.

If you are interested Google Radiation effects exaggerated and take your pick. The studies are not all WHO. I remember Horizon and the OU did something about it as well. But its irrelevant after fukushima there will be virtually no nuclear industry in a few years time.

vibe666

ed2hands wrote: »

4leto go educate yourself on some reports that are not WHO or industry bull****.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/28/who-nuclear-power-chernobyl

i'm sorry but you can't tell someone to go and educate themselves and then post a link to an article in the guardian.

its like telling someone to learn to drive and then sending them a link to this.

Solnskaya

I put more store in Helen Caldicotts version than the mainstream media, she seems to have a fair grasp and is not a rabid axe grinder. Watch her press conference on Youtube and it's fairly sobering stuff.

vibe666

this is never going to go anywhere, much like it hasn't gone anywhere in the last 5000 odd posts.

the posters on the anti-nuclear side will believe whatever reports tend to support their views and the pro-nuclear side will believe whatever supports theirs and everyone will keep posting links that the other side will refute with their own opinions and links supporting those beliefs and it'll just keep going round and around and getting nowhere.

the only thing we know for sure is that according to the thread tags, the world is ending, godzilla is here and vibe666 loves rimming (allegedly).

andrew

Glad to see everyone has continued to be civil to one another on this thread.

Overheal

Solnskaya wrote: »

Utterly, totally, completly, the most disingenuous post I have ever read on Boards.ie and God bless us, that's saying somthing. Wrong on so many levels its just....wrong. I despair somtimes.

Not really. Cancer != radiation death.

Acute radiation sickness has a way of killing you a lot sooner than the onset of cancer.

mongoman

shadowninty wrote: »

Are you a global warming sceptic or something?

Do you believe in fairy tales? Because the Sun and its solar cycles have much greater impact on our climate than mankind will ever have.

shadowninty

Never knew boards.ie had so many scientists on it. Y'all should publish your findings and get it peer reviewed, might take notice then as I'm no scientist, just an ordinary person who has to rely on what experts know

el diablo

from Independent.ie

Japan MP drinks water from Fukushima radioactive puddle in bid to prove plant’s safety


Yasuhiro Sonoda, a cabinet office parliamentary secretary, drinks a water taken from a radioactive puddle from the tsunami crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant

Tuesday November 01 2011
A JAPANESE politician has drunk a glass of water taken from puddles inside the damaged Fukushima nuclear power plant.

Yasuhiro Sonoda drinks a glass of decontaminated water taken from puddles inside the buildings housing reactors five and six at the Fukushima plant.

Yasuhiro Sonoda, a Japanese MP and parliamentary spokesman for the cabinet office, drank water not normally intended for human consumption after it was scooped up from gathered pools inside Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The politician was visibly nervous as he gulped the water from a glass with shaking hands in a televised press conference in a bid to highlight government confidence in the efficiency of its decontamination procedures.

Collected from beneath two reactor buildings at the plant, the water is decontaminated before being used for tasks such as watering plants, a controversial procedure which has been the subject of safety concerns in the media.

Before drinking the water, Mr Sonoda read out a string of figures relating to its low contamination levels and explained he was drinking in response to journalists repeatedly asking him to “prove” the safety of the plant’s surrounding area.

Speaking at the headquarter offices of Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), operators of the plant, he added: “Just drinking (decontaminated water) doesn’t mean safety has been confirmed, I know that. Presenting data to the public is the best way.”

Mr Sonoda’s decision to drink water from the plant is not the first time a politician has performed such a stunt in order to allay public health concerns.

The former prime minister Naoto Kan and his chief government spokesman Yukio Edano both ate food from Fukushima prefecture following the nuclear crisis earlier this year in an attempt to reassure the public that produce from the region was safe to eat.

Their actions echo the infamous scenario of British politician John Gummer, the former agriculture minister, who ate a hamburger along with his four-year-old daughter before gathered media in 1990 at the height of the mad cow disease scare.

In that instance, Mr Gummer’s actions backfired as a surge in BSE cases followed along with plummeting consumer confidence in beef safety, eventually leading to a public inquiry into his handling of the crisis.

Fukushima Power Plant was critically damaged when the March 11 earthquake struck triggering a powerful tsunami, resulting in a series of meltdowns after the facility’s crucial cooling systems were knocked out.

Following the earthquake and tsunami, radiation was subsequently released into the surrounding atmosphere, land and sea as operators struggled to contain the worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl.

Nearly eight months after the disaster, a 12-mile exclusion zone is still in place around the plant due to contamination while tens of thousands of residents remain relocated to temporary homes outside the region.

Tepco, the plant operators, remain optimistic that cold shutdown will be achieved by the government target date of the end of the year, with reactors stabilised and its water no longer at boiling point.

The government’s confidence in the plant’s recovery was in further evidence on Tuesday when it was announced that journalists would also be able to visit the plant for the first time since the disaster on November 12.

However, full decontamination of the plant is expected to take significantly longer, with a recent preliminary report by nuclear experts stating that complete decommissioning could take as long as 30 years.

Ficheall

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20111102p2g00m0dm005000c.html

While the title may say the radiation is unrelated, what the article says is that they don't know where the radiation is coming from. It reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon where, in the interests of not being the messenger who is shot, Dilbert changes his presentation from "Warning: Our product is killing people" to "Issue: Customer Safety" before finally settling on "Decline in Unsatisfied Customers"...

A sensationalist newspaper would no doubt have focused on the fact that the levels reported officially now are 40 milliSv, about 400 times as much as the 100microSv initially reported.

I'm sure there are better tables with varying levels of radiation on them knocking around, but here's the first one that Google yielded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/15/radiation-exposure-levels-guide.
It doesn't look great in any case.

Radiation near Tokyo supermarket unrelated to Fukushima crisis


TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A high level of radiation detected near a supermarket in Tokyo appears to be unrelated to the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, science ministry officials said Tuesday. An investigation by the ministry detected a high radiation level of around 40 millisieverts per hour near a bottle found 40 centimeters deep in the ground near the supermarket in Setagaya Ward.
If a person were continually exposed to such a level of radiation for two and a half hours, the risk of dying from cancer would increase by 0.5 percent, the officials said.
Although the source of the radiation has not been determined, lead and bismuth, released when radium-226 decays, were detected after workers dug into the ground, they said.
Radium is not among the radioactive substances released by the Fukushima plant since it was crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology said earlier.
The radiation level on the surface of the ground nearby was around 1 millisievert per hour, the officials said. The exposure limit set for ordinary people is 1 millisievert per year.
A resident reported high radiation readings in the area on Friday, prompting the ministry to take measurements, with up to 170 microsieverts per hour recorded at one spot on the surface of a pavement near the supermarket and up to 110 microsieverts per hour recorded at another spot near the shop's entrance.
No alarming radiation levels were measured elsewhere in the area.
High levels of radiation were also detected along a sidewalk in Setagaya Ward in October. Several dozen bottles containing radium were later found under the floor of a house nearby.

Chuck Stone

Nuclear energy.

Subsidized by who? The public. (Private money would not build a nuclear power station due to the liabilities and slow return on investment (if any).

Disasters and their cost in health and economic terms? Borne by the public.

Waste that's radioactive for centuries? Public problem.

Proliferation of radioactive material and distasteful regimes making weapons or dirty bombs? Public problem. (Cost of security)

It's a win win for... um....

Yay \o/ for nuke-u-lar!

vibe666

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Nuclear energy.

Subsidized by who? The public. (Private money would not build a nuclear power station due to the liabilities and slow return on investment (if any).

Disasters and their cost in health and economic terms? Borne by the public.

Waste that's radioactive for centuries? Public problem.

Proliferation of radioactive material and distasteful regimes making weapons or dirty bombs? Public problem. (Cost of security)

It's a win win for... um....

Yay \o/ for nuke-u-lar!

increase in demand for more power by... the public.

what's our point?

Statistician

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15691571

New research has found that radioactive material in parts of north-eastern Japan exceeds levels considered safe for farming.

The findings provide the first comprehensive estimates of contamination across Japan following the nuclear accident in 2011.

Food production is likely to be affected, the researchers suggest.

The results are reported in the Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) journal.

In the wake of the accident at Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant, radioactive isotopes were blown over Japan and its coastal waters.

Sounds like the farmland has been ruined for decades to come.

geetar

please destroy this thread.

el diablo

geetar wrote: »

please destroy this thread.

Why?

vibe666

geetar wrote: »

please destroy this thread.

or at least change the title.

Bobby Baccala

el diablo wrote: »

Why?

+1

What the fúck is he talking about?:p:p

vibe666

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

+1

What the fúck is he talking about?:p:p

i imagine he's talking about seeing the thread title pop up every now and again with "Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion. New earthquake hits. Mod warning in post #1" and thinking that there has been a new earthquake despite there having been nothing overly significant as far as earthquakes go in the last 8 months.

TJJP

vibe666 wrote: »

despite there having been nothing overly significant as far as earthquakes go in the last 8 months.

or ever?

vibe666

TJJP wrote: »

or ever?

no, there's been plenty.

Somnus

The pros and cons of nuclear energy is a bit more of a fitting title at this stage though (sidenote - Fukishima) :P

biko

Title fix.
Remember, any posts must be connected to the Japanese catastrophe

About 90%+ of all posts since April have been about the nuclear power plant being wrecked!