Japanese earthquake / tsunami discussion

dreamer_ire

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The latest from #Japan - 10,000 may have died in tsunami & risk of second explosion at nuclear plant http://bit.ly/hhJbDP

rameire

anybody with Google Earth.
you can get an add on that is the usgs real time earthquakes app.
it updates every 5 minutes,
so you can see the earthquake activity around the world or in the japanese area.

aligator_am

Good Jaysus, reports now surfacing on Twitter about volcano erupting in Japan, unconfirmed. Really hope the reports are wrong, the poor Japanese people have had their share of woe for this year

http://twitpic.com/492tta//

Micky Dolenz

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

So you're comparing the self-gratification you get from watching porn to some sort of sick self-gratification you get from watching the nuclear disaster unfold in Japan. Sick man, sick.

You should apologise to the people of Japan.

Inappropriate on every level imaginable.

Do not post in this thread again.

yoganmahew

Brenireland wrote: »

yep,oops

Eh, no, it was an astrologer. Astronomers and physicists I've seen quoted say that the moon exerts the same influence on the earth as a man does on a 100,000 ton weight...

Setun

aligator_am wrote: »

Good Jaysus, reports now surfacing on Twitter about volcano erupting in Japan, unconfirmed. Really hope the reports are wrong, the poor Japanese people have had their share of woe for this year

http://twitpic.com/492tta//

This is supposedly a link to a live stream of the volcano eruption, although it's currently not working - for me at least: http://www.nhk.or.jp/kagoshima3/shinmoedake/index.html

mravaya

aligator_am wrote: »

Good Jaysus, reports now surfacing on Twitter about volcano erupting in Japan, unconfirmed. Really hope the reports are wrong, the poor Japanese people have had their share of woe for this year

http://twitpic.com/492tta//

That Volcano has been erupting for some years now

opinion guy

Lirange wrote: »

I can see the Japanese trying to "Tsunami proof" parts of the coastline after this with huge breakwaters, walls, and berms. It might not be realistic or feasible for something this strong. But if there's any nation that would attempt something like this it would be Japan.

I've been thinking about this. Seems to me the best thing you could do is to grow a dense line of trees along the coastline.

Thrill wrote: »

Shaun Bernie, from lobby group Greenpeace, tells the BBC that using plutonium as fuel increases the risk that something could go wrong because plutonium-fuelled plants operate at a higher level. He also says plutonium is far more dangerous if it's released into the environment.

amacachi wrote: »

True, that it is more reactive but it's not particularly dangerous in the environment over the other nuclear elements.

Whats important to remember here is that things like plutonium and uranium are in fact chemically dangerous as well as being radiologically dangerous. Uranium for example is the most toxic of all elements.

aligator_am

mravaya wrote: »

That Volcano has been erupting for some years now

Ah OK, I didn't know that.

I thought maybe the quake had kick started it or something.

laros

laros wrote: »

Just came across this link... apologies if it's already been posted....




http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm

Those photos remind me of Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five and his depiction of Dresden after it had been firebombed during World War Two; he described it as looking like the moon.

Whole towns are gone. Just gone. It really makes you realize how lucky we are that we are relatively safe in Ireland - whatever about our government issues and whatnot, at least we're safe. Puts everything in perspective.

Oh my God. Just saw this video there. I really hope there was nobody in those cars.

snubbleste

opinion guy wrote: »

I've been thinking about this. Seems to me the best thing you could do is to grow a dense line of trees along the coastline.

You mean like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J5j38AYR-3s/TXpsiFB8TgI/AAAAAAAABzo/a-sX9wVZxsE/s1600/japan%2Btsunami%2B2011-15.jpg or like this http://kcen.images.worldnow.com/images/14232592_BG1.jpg

mike65

This thread has been a real education, not about Japan, earthquakes or tsunamis but the utter bilge that people either believe or just assume to be true because its on the internet.

falan

Anyone watching NHK news? Sky channel 516....Heartbreaking stuff...

sunflower27

snubbleste wrote: »

You mean like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J5j38AYR-3s/TXpsiFB8TgI/AAAAAAAABzo/a-sX9wVZxsE/s1600/japan%2Btsunami%2B2011-15.jpg or like this http://kcen.images.worldnow.com/images/14232592_BG1.jpg

Exactly. How are trees going to stop the force of water that gushes forth during a tsunami?

Setun

mike65 wrote: »

This thread has been a real education, not about Japan, earthquakes or tsunamis but the utter bilge that people either believe or just assume to be true because its on the internet.

You mean the folks with a degree in nuclear physics from the University of Wikipedia? :rolleyes:

mike65

Daddio wrote: »

You mean the folks with a degree in nuclear physics from the University of Wikipedia? :rolleyes:

I dunno what that refers to

I mean

It will be interesting to see if the close up of the moon to earth on the 19th has any effect's on Plant Earth,as some have predicted.

Spare me.

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

I dunno what that refers to

I mean



Spare me.

I'm not backing them at all, but do you have any solid proof to say that the moon doesn't? The way I see it is that until you can prove 100% that it doesn't, then let them say what they will.

Turtwig

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not backing them at all, but do you have any solid proof to say that the moon doesn't? The way I see it is that until you can prove 100% that it doesn't, then let them say what they will.

I'm sorry but that is far from reasonable logic. You are stating that unless you can absolutely disprove something then people can say what they want. So let's say you in up end court charged with murder and are unable to disprove your guilt, the jury believes you are guilty but have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise other than their belief that you are. It is far from justice in my eyes justice for that jury to convict you on the grounds that you cannot prove your own innocence and I hope you don't see that as justice either.

Me personally, I prefer proof of a positive claim over the requirement of having to disprove it as false first before it must be dismissed : Innocent until proven guilty, the prosecution needs to prove that you are guilty. These moon astrologers need to prove* their theory. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


*Of course the pedant will see the obvious flaw with using prove or proof when it comes to a scientific concept but I don't want to confuse the analogy any more right now :P.

opinion guy

snubbleste wrote: »

You mean like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J5j38AYR-3s/TXpsiFB8TgI/AAAAAAAABzo/a-sX9wVZxsE/s1600/japan%2Btsunami%2B2011-15.jpg or like this http://kcen.images.worldnow.com/images/14232592_BG1.jpg

sunflower27 wrote: »

Exactly. How are trees going to stop the force of water that gushes forth during a tsunami?

Actually it was that second photo that gave me the idea. You can see that the trees are having some small effect in slowing down the water - the water level in the foamy bit under the trees is marginally lower than the water level to the side of the trees.

Now imagine alot more trees - that ones in the photos are very sparse. Imagine a really dense and wide strip of trees along the coast - like real forestry and make it a half mile wide or something. You could leave gaps in places either for boating access or to channel the water somewhere if there was a naturally valley or something - just don't let anyone live there. It would make a difference.

Malty_T wrote: »

I'm sorry but that is far from reasonable logic. You are stating that unless you can absolutely disprove something then people can say what they want. So let's say you in up end court charged with murder and are unable to disprove your guilt, the jury believes you are guilty but have no reliable evidence to suggest otherwise other than their belief that you are. It is far from justice in my eyes justice for that jury to convict you on the grounds that you cannot prove your own innocence and I hope you don't see that as justice either.

Me personally, I prefer proof of a positive claim over the requirement of having to disprove it as false first before it must be dismissed : Innocent until proven guilty, the prosecution needs to prove that you are guilty or these moon astrologers need to prove their theory. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

The law and science are two different things. There is no such thing as positive proof in science - only things that can be disproved.

Its perfectly plausible that the moon may play a role. After all we know it affects the tides. Well the same gravitational force is applied to the crust as to the water. Its plausible it could affect forces at techtonoic plates.

mike65

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not backing them at all, but do you have any solid proof to say that the moon doesn't? The way I see it is that until you can prove 100% that it doesn't, then let them say what they will.

Bangs head off desk. The moon last reached its perigee 18 years ago, its a cycle that lasts 18 years if there were a link it would have been spotted by now. The worst that happens is we get some very high tides. Not what Japan needs of course but nowt to do with earthquakes, volcanos.

Turtwig

opinion guy wrote: »

The law and science are two different things. There is no such thing as positive proof in science - only things that can be disproved.

Getting OT here, but this isn't true you cannot disprove a negative. The common example being how do you disprove the existence of something that doesn't actually exist in the first place? You can't.
Anyways there is pretty good basis for the idea that the moon and climate can affect the frequency of earthquakes. However I don't see any rational basis for it in astrology and unless they provide a means of actually "proving" their beliefs then court analogy holds up. I might be a bit harsh here, but the poster Gene Derm, or Ken Ring is a weather predictor who uses the moon as a means to predict the earth's weather in the long term. He can also apparently predict earthquakes and when they will occur. Many other astrologers claim this too, yet they always seem to offer this evidence after the fact. What if they believed that a forthcoming alignment of the stars or moon meant that opinion guy must be killed or there will be major catastrophe for a lot of people, would you accept the grounds that someone has to disprove their hypothesis wrong. Or would you take the more rational approach that perhaps, just perhaps, they should provide a clear unambiguous reason for their claim and that it is actually a testable one.

Anways this is off topic, so I won't bother mentioning it again.:)

mike65

Malty_T wrote: »

However I don't see any rational basis for it in astrology and unless they provide a means of actually "proving" their beliefs then court analogy holds up.

Shurely shom mishtake?

Riamfada

can we get back to the issue of the earthquake rather than more pointless OT natter?

PeakOutput

Malty_T wrote: »

Getting OT here, but this isn't true you cannot disprove a negative.

I think this is what he is refering to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

for a statement to be scientific it must be falsifiable

Micky Dolenz

Any chance we can stick to the facts please.

Many people are using this thread as a source of information. It gets frustrating to have to read through OT posts.

Brenireland

mike65 wrote: »

I dunno what that refers to

I mean



Spare me.

I was simply wondering would the Moon have an effect on the Earth!,I wasn't saying it does.

Moving on do,Any news on Nuclear Power Plants?

maquiladora

Seawater being pumped into reactors 1, 2 & 3 now. There were reports they couldn't do this at no. 3 before so hopefully this is good news considering that it seems to have worked do far at no. 1

cherryghost

Wind forecast is positive enough for the country up until Tuesday. Wind is due to shift easterly for today and tomorrow, albeit a fairy weak blow, before shifting to a northerly chill Monday night/Tuesday morning, so the quicker its sorted the better.

QuimWedge

I found this article quite interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-12723092

Cathaoirleach

Before and after sat. pics

http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm