Moment of truth for leftists (except scumlord because he likes The Zohan)

Katkatim

Dudess wrote: »

What's even more blinkered than the OP (in fairness, they are in a position of bias) is the people who thanked them.
And "leftists"? Oh there are people on the right who don't like Israel's terror tactics, you can be sure of it.

I heard a Palestinian man on the radio whose three daughters were indiscriminately slaughtered by the Israeli DF - ****ing shame on people who back them. And shame on people who back Hamas which does similar stuff. Shame on anyone who actually makes excuses for violence and murder no matter what the cause...

I was waiting to see your response. Based on the amount of sympathy you have for innocent Palestinians I was thinking you'd express some amount of sympathy for a 12 years old child who came home at night and found her mother, her father, and 3 of her siblings slaughters. I was also thinking you'd have some sympathy for a 3 years old child who sat by his parents' bodies and cried, not understanding why they're not waking up.
There are innocent victims on both sides.
Silly me for thinking you were aware of that.

Zebra3

Isrealis actually love glorifying terrorism.

Just their own terrorists, not their neighbours.

http://www.travelisraelonline.com/tel-aviv-and-central-israel/museums-tel-aviv-and-central-israel/etzel-museum-in-tel-aviv-%E2%80%93-irgun-zvai-leumi-museum-in-tel-aviv/

Katkatim

wes wrote: »

I am more than capable of seeing both side faults and come to my own conclusions. However, you seem incapable of not making things personal, which is a lot more telling, if you ask me.

Also, btw you forgot the Zionist terrorism against Palestinians before Israel was even created, and the entire concept of the Iron wall, which goes back to the 1920's. Then there was the business of ethnic cleansing in 1948. To accuse me of hatred, and being one sided, and leave out all the crap Zionists pulled before Israel even existed is a tad hypocritical if you ask me. Also, you source come from an Israeli government web site, and yet you actually accuse others of being one sided? Seriously you have given me a good laugh with that one.

Also, who in there right mind would think going to another country, with the express intention of getting rid of the indigenous populace to set up there own state, would not result in violence? Were the Palestinians just meant to lie down and let Zionists turf them out of there homes to make way for a Jewish state? Sorry, but I think Zionists are living in a fantasy world, if they think that there entire project was not inherently a violent one, that would be met with violence in return.

Bla bla bla.
Again, incapable of seeing the other side's flaws.

And stop repeating yourself. You've been doing that for months now. It's getting old.
Especially that "biased source" mantra. You don't believe these acts happened? Look it up. You'll find plenty of proof.

RichieC

Katkatim wrote: »

Bla bla bla.
Again, incapable of seeing the other side's flaws.

And stop repeating yourself. You've been doing that for months now. It's getting old.
Especially that "biased source" mantra. You don't believe these acts happened? Look it up. You'll find plenty of proof.

lol..fail

OutlawPete

Greyjoy wrote: »

Trivial?

Yeah, trivial.

Greyjoy wrote: »

He described how scary the barrage of rocks was and that he imagined how terrifying it would be for a young Israeli soldier in that situation. Then you had stories of stuff like the inhuman 'cattle market' style process they had for allowing people through the security checkpoint into Israel from palestinian side or the awful story about the kids having to walk through a tunnel of sewage and human waste in order to reach their school on the other side of a settler road.

All trivial compared to other aspects of what goes on there.

I thought it was a crap night anyway and am I usually a fan of what he does, hence why I went.

A projector showing a little video and perhaps even some stills would have nice.

Maybe the book will be better.

enfant terrible

Zebra3 wrote: »

The adults killed last week were breaking international law. They were not innocents, they were criminals.

I'd advise people to watch Occupation 101 on Youtube.

Wow your hardcore.

Nodin

The Israeli wrote: »

Ok, for not writing the same stuff again(.............)Nothing lasts forever.

You brought up all that nonsense before. You might try addressing posts made in relation to it....
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71156499&postcount=92

katkatim wrote:

............and Nodin......

O. Hai.

Nodin

Zebra3 wrote: »

The adults killed last week were breaking international law. They were not innocents, they were criminals.

I'd advise people to watch Occupation 101 on Youtube.

Stabbing civillian women and children to death is wrong.

Star Bingo

where is TheZohan anyhow? last i seen of him he swung by to state "I Rock. that is all" n then took off again

Tahuti

Katkatim wrote: »

Lastly, if anyone was wondering, I'm not a regular poster hiding behind a fake User name.

Katkatim wrote: »

I was waiting to see your response.

Katkatim wrote: »

And stop repeating yourself. You've been doing that for months now. It's getting old.

:pac:

Nodin

Star Bingo wrote: »

where is TheZohan anyhow? last i seen of him he swung by to state "I Rock. that is all" n then took off again

he hasn't gone away, you know.

Star Bingo

Nodin wrote: »

he hasn't gone away, you know.

i know. he's probably out there, somewhere, being rocktastic

wes

Katkatim wrote: »

Bla bla bla.
Again, incapable of seeing the other side's flaws.

Coming from someone using the Israeli government as a source, again that is a bit rich. Secondly, you didn't address a single one of my points, and thirdly I brought up Zionists mis-deeds, after you entirely one sided Israeli government link. To accuse anyone else of being unable to see the other side flaws is laughable.

Katkatim wrote: »

And stop repeating yourself. You've been doing that for months now. It's getting old.

No, I won't. I see no reason, why I shouldn't provide the other side of story. The fact that it annoys apologists is just a nice bonus.

Katkatim wrote: »

Especially that "biased source" mantra. You don't believe these acts happened? Look it up. You'll find plenty of proof.

I have no doubt there is some truth to your link. Still, a list of just the one sides violence, is inherently one sided after all. You have chosen to present only one sides wrong doing, all the while accusing other of not being able to see the other sides flaws. Its pretty damn hilarious really.

Also, finally your criticism of me, essentially amounts to an baseless accusation, which is coming from someone who seems to think that the Israeli government narrative isn't hugely flawed, all the while accusing others of not seeing the other side flaws, is nothing short of laughable.

RichieC

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CQyU4ayBifw/SGxqGXr02PI/AAAAAAAABDM/Ynq-FCaHXoA/s1600/CSR825.gif

Katkatim

wes wrote: »

Coming from someone using the Israeli government as a source, again that is a bit rich. Secondly, you didn't address a single one of my points, and thirdly I brought up Zionists mis-deeds, after you entirely one sided Israeli government link. To accuse anyone else of being unable to see the other side flaws is laughable.

I'm not here to address your points. I've seen how you discuss things and have no interest in getting into any sort of discussion with you (which is why, you might have noticed, I excluded you from what I wrote to 'everyone else'). Why do I refuse to discuss anything with you? You've demonstrated it pretty well even in this thread. In my first post most of my criticism was about the article posted by theIsraeli. I criticized the settlements and stated they're a mistake, and a huge problem for Israel. What do you do? Ignore all of it and start an argument about how much more terrorists Israelis are and how my links are invalid because they're from an Israeli source. I also know you won't bother looking at the link or searching for information that validates the information in it. I stand behind what I said about you not being able to see the other side's flaws, and I base my comments on a large number of posts of yours that I have seen in lots of different threads, none of which had any criticism towards Palestinian leaders, policies or actions (all threads were about Israel. I don't have much interest in other threads. That's why I don't follow this board on a regular basis).

No, I won't. I see no reason, why I shouldn't provide the other side of story. The fact that it annoys apologists is just a nice bonus.

It's not a question of providing the other side of the story. It's a question of being able to admit there are flaws in the behavior of the side you support and coming to terms with the fact that there isn't one good side and one bad side. Unless of course you really believe Palestinians are saints and have not part in creating this conflict, in which case I'm really wasting my time.

Also, finally your criticism of me, essentially amounts to an baseless accusation, which is coming from someone who seems to think that the Israeli government narrative isn't hugely flawed, all the while accusing others of not seeing the other side flaws, is nothing short of laughable.

What have you not understood in the part where I said the settlements are Israel's biggest mistake? And if you did understand that part, then please show me what, in my posts, gave you the idea in the highlighted sentance?

Overheal

Katkatim wrote: »

I'm not here to address your points. I've seen how you discuss things and have no interest in getting into any sort of discussion with you (which is why, you might have noticed, I excluded you from what I wrote to 'everyone else'). Why do I refuse to discuss anything with you? You've demonstrated it pretty well even in this thread. In my first post most of my criticism was about the article posted by theIsraeli. I criticized the settlements and stated they're a mistake, and a huge problem for Israel. What do you do? Ignore all of it and start an argument about how much more terrorists Israelis are and how my links are invalid because they're from an Israeli source. I also know you won't bother looking at the link or searching for information that validates the information in it. I stand behind what I said about you not being able to see the other side's flaws, and I base my comments on a large number of posts of yours that I have seen in lots of different threads, none of which had any criticism towards Palestinian leaders, policies or actions (all threads were about Israel. I don't have much interest in other threads. That's why I don't follow this board on a regular basis).

Im not typically a fan of Ad Hominem accusations ("This information comes from X. X is a douche. Therefore information is bad.") But in response I do myself try to find sources with no pre-disposition, or multiple corroborating sources of the same information. It's not unreasonable to conclude that an Israeli information source will be Pro-Israeli, much in the same way conservative US sources are pro-US to the exclusion of all other viewpoints. Similarly I try not to source my information about the dangers of Tobacco from the Tobacco Industry, which reaps massive profits from the consumption of Tobacco. However if the Tobacco Industry and multiple third party research papers agree on the same evidence, that's a little harder to ignore.

Dudess

Katkatim wrote: »

Based on the amount of sympathy you have for innocent Palestinians I was thinking you'd express some amount of sympathy for a 12 years old child who came home at night and found her mother, her father, and 3 of her siblings slaughters. I was also thinking you'd have some sympathy for a 3 years old child who sat by his parents' bodies and cried, not understanding why they're not waking up.
There are innocent victims on both sides.
Silly me for thinking you were aware of that.

Dudess wrote: »

And shame on people who back Hamas which does similar stuff. Shame on anyone who actually makes excuses for violence and murder no matter what the cause...

Lies make the ickle babby Jesus cry...

Fuhrer

godwin wrote: »

I was in Israel for a few months in my youth working on the kibbutz , beautiful country , real nice people... but every Israeli I met genuinely hated the Palestinians and was passionate in their hatred and as long as that sentiment continues there will never be a peaceful solution.

Oh hello Godwin, we meet again.

Katkatim

Dudess wrote: »

Originally Posted by Dudess
And shame on people who back Hamas which does similar stuff. Shame on anyone who actually makes excuses for violence and murder no matter what the cause...

Lies make the ickle babby Jesus cry...

Sorry. No good.
'Shame on people who back Hamas" (by the way, Hamas didn't do this massacre) and "shame on people who make excuses for..." isn't showing sympathy for the victims. It's criticizing those who justify it, not those who commit it. It's being "politically correct" right after you tell about how 3 Palestinians girls were killed by IDF, as a reply to an article about a massacre of 5 innocent Israeli civilians.
Do you see the difference?
I was expecting that from you (and not others) because I was under the impression that you truly care about people who suffer. And I really was disappointed.

RichieC

Katkatim wrote: »

Sorry. No good.
'Shame on people who back Hamas" (by the way, Hamas didn't do this massacre) and "shame on people who make excuses for..." isn't showing sympathy for the victims. It's criticizing those who justify it, not those who commit it. It's being "politically correct" right after you tell about how 3 Palestinians girls were killed by IDF, as a reply to an article about a massacre of 5 innocent Israeli civilians.
Do you see the difference?
I was expecting that from you (and not others) because I was under the impression that you truly care about people who suffer. And I really was disappointed.

I just hear a low sloppy fart sound when i read your posts.

Nodin

Katkatim wrote: »

I'm not here to address your points.(snip)

Jaysus no, gettin into a discussion on a message board? Sure why would ye do something mad like that. People might get the idea you had an argument you could back up, or something.

Zebra3

Nodin wrote: »

Stabbing civillian women and children to death is wrong.

Sexist.

Nodin

Zebra3 wrote: »

Sexist.

I prefer 'Old fashioned', but as ye will.

Dudess

Pauleta wrote: »

And to The Israeli. If you are from Israel i would like to express my full support for your right to defend yourself

Agreed. Proportionately of course, and not targetting sh1tloads of civilians.

and my full condemnation of the left wing loons in this country who underhandedly support these savage terrorist groups.

Would you care to explain how being leftwing makes one a loon? And how objection to Israel's organised mass murder policy equates to underhandedly supporting savage terrorist groups? Because otherwise you just look like one of those "I'm so going against the grain for a young person by not taking the stance typical of my peers and foregoing common decency" peeps. Your post was thanked by an out and out racist islamophobe, which is telling.

Pauleta wrote: »

Balls, Even when they do stop pre-emptied strikes, the Palestinians still launch rockets into civilian areas. The likes of Hamas will never accept a world that isnt under sharia law. Even if they got their wet dream of exterminating the planet of the Jewish. They will strive to induce their sicko ways on the rest of the world.

Read up on what you're talking about ffs - that post is incredibly misinformed...

Deleted User wrote: »

Love how you forget to mention that the people who died were Israeli settlers on Palestinian lands. I have absolutely no sympathy for the parents that died, it's their own fault. It's terrible that the Palestinian man killed the children too, they shouldn't be held responsible for their parents selfishness.

That is a sh1tty, heartless thing to say - they were someone's family... :-/

Katkatim wrote: »

Sorry. No good.
'Shame on people who back Hamas" (by the way, Hamas didn't do this massacre) and "shame on people who make excuses for..." isn't showing sympathy for the victims. It's criticizing those who justify it, not those who commit it. It's being "politically correct" right after you tell about how 3 Palestinians girls were killed by IDF, as a reply to an article about a massacre of 5 innocent Israeli civilians.

No, you're not a mind-reader. And it doesn't suit you anyway to acknowledge that people who object to Israel's treatment of Palestinians might also object to the violence on the other side. It's of no use to the agenda you push, which is "We're not doing anything wrong, we're the victims and they're all being mean to us."
And those who are not Israeli but back its state/military do so primarily for two reasons: 1. to sock it to the hippies, 2. islamophobia.

wes

Katkatim wrote: »

I'm not here to address your points.

Well, then it pretty clear you don't have a leg to stand on really. Also, you insisted on making things personal, by mentioning me by name. Its clear that your rather try and villfy people who don't agree with you, and of course make baseless accusations, while all the while doing exactly what you accusing others of. As I said earlier, you have given me a great laugh.

Katkatim wrote: »

It's not a question of providing the other side of the story. It's a question of being able to admit there are flaws in the behavior of the side you support and coming to terms with the fact that there isn't one good side and one bad side. Unless of course you really believe Palestinians are saints and have not part in creating this conflict, in which case I'm really wasting my time.

Palestinian are no saints, but the conflict was caused by Zionists wanting to create a state against the will of the indigenous people. What you are saying would be the equivalent of saying the Native Americans are partially to blame for European colonisation of the America's which would be absurd. Did the Native American's do nasty thing in retaliation, yes they did, but that hardly means there at fault for there own colonisation by Europeans.

Now, have the Palestinians did nasty thing in retaliation to Israel as well, they most certainly have, and they have done all kinds of stupid ****. That doesn't change the fact, that European colonists kicked them out of there homes. Now if you can't understand such a basic fact, then your wasting everyone's time.

Katkatim wrote: »

What have you not understood in the part where I said the settlements are Israel's biggest mistake? And if you did understand that part, then please show me what, in my posts, gave you the idea in the highlighted sentance?

You started talking about the conflict pre-1967, and only highlighted one sides crimes, with a one sided link from the Israeli government, and you accused me of not seeing one sides flaws. You see before 1967, the Israeli government was a nasty bunch of murderers, and even before 1948 Zionists were engaged in all kinds of terrorism (these terrorists are celebrated as hero's btw today). You clearly think that Israel started doing nasty **** after 1967, well you would very wrong. The nasty crap started when Zionists wanted to kick the Palestinians out of there homes, and then went ahead and did it. If Israel can't admit that driving people out of there homes is wrong, there no better than Hamas, and quite frankly they were any better than them imho. Btw, the settlements after 1967, was just a continuation of what happened in 1948, albeit at a much slower rate.

Zebra3

What the media usually leave out is that most adult Israelis are members of their military so as far as the Palestinian resistence movements are concerned attacks on Israel adulti civilians equals attacks on Israeli militarty members out of uniform.

enfant terrible

Zebra3 wrote: »

What the media usually leave out is that most adult Israelis are members of their military so as far as the Palestinian resistence movements are concerned attacks on Israel adulti civilians equals attacks on Israeli militarty members out of uniform.

and their families are fair targets too?

wes

enfant terrible wrote: »

and their families are fair targets too?

Well, that seems to the attitude of Israel, where they regularly blow up a militant, if they are at home with there families. As I said before, I fail to see much difference between Hamas and Israeli government, and yet in the EU, we only consider Hamas a terrorist group, despite the fact that the IDF has murdered plenty of civilians on purpose. The question that needs to be asked, why is is acceptable when Israel does it, but not when Hamas does it? Surely if its wrong when Hamas does it, then it is wrong when Israel does it.

enfant terrible

wes wrote: »

Well, that seems to the attitude of Israel, where they regularly blow up a militant, if they are at home with there families. As I said before, I fail to see much difference between Hamas and Israeli government, and yet in the EU, we only consider Hamas a terrorist group, despite the fact that the IDF has murdered plenty of civilians on purpose. The question that needs to be asked, why is is acceptable when Israel does it, but not when Hamas does it? Surely if its wrong when Hamas does it, then it is wrong when Israel does it.

So to answer my question, you do think their families are legitimate targets?

ejmaztec

Are the Hasbara guys having a day off today?