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MortgageMan wrote: »As I said Sparks it was in a South Wicklow club, the winners were not actually allowed to claim the win !! the club members there on the day said that the other club shooters didn't qualify to shoot the comp and so couldn't win :eek: even though they had the highest scores.
There was even mention that the shooters should have taken off their shoes as they weren't designated foot wear for the comp ??? they were wearing runners and working boots, but this was only said after he scores were taken as was the, you don't qualify statement ?
I don't want to continue with this as I had tried to forget it.
As I said it turned me off the club and the discipline totally !
So you are right you will not find the names on the winning sheet as they were not allowed on to it ! hope that clarifies your question.
No, it doesn't. In fact, now you've made even less sense. There is absolutely no rule whatsoever in the ISSF or NTSA rulebooks that would allow that kind of thing. Ordinary street or work boots are explicitly allowed in the ISSF rules so long as they don't break the rules set up for custom-made boots (ie, doc martins laced up so that your leg from the knee down is immobilised are out, but runners or ordinary work boots would be fine - I shoot air pistol in ordinary shoes all the time). The only time I have *ever* seen a footwear question really come up was at an air pistol shoot when a newbie pistol shooter shot air pistol in his first (and only, as it turned out) match in air rifle boots -- which, to be fair, is unfair as they look like this:
Now on the day, we said nothing as there wasn't much point - he was obviously coming in last anyway and why ruin his fun? But that's the only time I've heard of that happening, and if it was that long ago, I would have heard of it if it happened in an NTSA match because I was on the NTSA committee back then.
So I'm guessing you went to a club that was trying to run a club shoot to ISSF rules, but not an NTSA match, and they fluffed the rules very badly. I mean, if you're running a club shoot and have closed prizes for only the club members, that's got to be in the rules right up front, you can't drop that on people after they pay their entry fee and travel to the match and everything.0 -
Rule #3 was the reason. Odds are, one of the other mods would have pointed it out this evening if IQ hadn't. Besides, this thread's now more prominent on the forum - are you complaining that more people are reading what you posted?MortgageMan wrote: »As Below Average was not complaining could you move everything back to as it was ?
There is no other reason to move it, or is there ?
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I'd love to see some of the lads who think we're pea shooters actually try our sport...
...especially since all the other examples of that happening I can remember ended up with severely chastened chaps coming off the firing line in mild disbelief to find they'd been beaten to the bottom third of the field by 12-year-old girls
oooo sparks, touched a nerve did he 0 -
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With respect to you Kryten, you're late.With all due respect for the NTSA, and indeed other NGBs, but nobody owns air pistol or rifle, standard pistol, practical pistol or any other discipline.
The NTSA has been saying that for years.
The reason I've mentioned the NTSA here is that the OP said "ISSF-sanctioned". That term only really applies to continental championships and above; all the other matches are NGB-sanctioned, so I assumed he just meant an NTSA match, because if the ISSF ran a World Cup in South Wicklow, I think we'd have noticed
Yes, and also for doing things like maintaining national rankings, tallying scores and so forth.The NGB authority, if you could call it that, would only come into it when it is an official National championship, or international championship or a selection for an international competition.
Nope, never has. That's why the NTSA's been pushing for clubs to do that for years, both on here and outside of here.It does not stop a club, say for example Hilltop, from challenging, for example, Harbour House, to a standard pistol match, modified to allow one to shoot one handed or two handed. Or WTSC from challenging ECSC to a benchrest rifle competition with ISSF 50 meter targets and target sights.
Well, yes - so long as they follow the same rules as the others in the match. Wouldn't be fair, for example, for everyone else to have a 1kg trigger on their pistol and one guy to have a 100g trigger. But that caveat aside, yes, it's very common for clubs to do that and always has been. The DURC turkey shoot isn't exactly ISSF-standard, for example, and they've shot sporting rifle for years without being part of the NASRPC or the NSAI. Likewise for pretty much every club I know.A shooter should be able to try any discipline which takes their fancy and not worry about the type of footwear we have, and still be eligible for the prizes.
But what MM is talking about above is something else entirely - he's talking about an official sanctioned match (which I have to presume is an NTSA match from what he's said so far) which was run so unfairly as to turn him off the discipline for years. At that point, if someone or some group is bringing the sport into disrepute, what should the NGB for that sport do? Straight question, no agenda, what do you think an NGB should do in that situation?
I don't own it to open it upThe peashooting idea could be a starting point. You could open it up to .22 rifle as well as air rifle. It would still be a damn hard target.
The whole idea was meant to see what'd happen if we tried claiming back the insult of "peashooter" and I thought it'd just be seen as funny - I wasn't expecting that within a single post, people would go from treating it as the best insult ever to actually wanting to be called a peashooter
I'm now thinking airgun shooters ought to be all possessive of it. "Feck off and go get your own insult" and all that 0 -
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Says the guy who's just jealous he was only the second one to use the termbunny shooter wrote: »Insult :rolleyes:
Get over yourself! you're taking it all way too seriously
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Sparks the comp was as ISSF comp, run under its rules whether or not is was a recognised World shoot I am not sure. As I said it was my first time to attend this type of comp and it was about 5 years ago.
It was not something I enjoyed as the way things were dictated to me and handled was very childish.
Your own actions here today were to try and belittle me and my knowledge of your sport, true I have no understanding of your type of shooting, it doesn't rock my boat or unshell my pea's
Is this site meant to be run on a democracy ? why do you feel the need to always try and prove yourself ? I mentioned before the self esteem issue, why stick up your score cards and why try to design new comps for Pea shooting ?
Am I missing something here ? is there something happening between the lines.0 -
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MortgageMan wrote: »Sparks is that the pistol that you used to similate an IPSA shoot and post it on your blog. It was mentioned at quite a few meetings how it belittled the IPSA sport do you remember that ?
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MortgageMan wrote: »Sparks the comp was as ISSF comp, run under its rules whether or not is was a recognised World shoot I am not sure. As I said it was my first time to attend this type of comp and it was about 5 years ago.
It was not something I enjoyed as the way things were dictated to me and handled was very childish.
Your own actions here today were to try and belittle me and my knowledge of your sport, true I have no understanding of your type of shooting, it doesn't rock my boat or unshell my pea's
Is this site meant to be run on a democracy ? why do you feel the need to always try and prove yourself ? I mentioned before the self esteem issue, why stick up your score cards and why try to design new comps for Pea shooting ?
Am I missing something here ? is there something happening between the lines.
LOL hes the mod who thinks he`s a "GOD" :eek:
Hes right and your wrong as this has now become my boards song:rolleyes:
So now he will close the thread because of your reaction and guess what?
For having your say HE WILL ISSUE YOU AN INFRACTION:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D did i get it right LOL0 -
Yes, but you also said it put you off the discipline for ages. If you're going to say something like that, you ought to get the detail right as to whether this was an actual NTSA Open or just a few lads who misread the rulebook and acted the asshat on their own range.MortgageMan wrote: »Sparks the comp was as ISSF comp, run under its rules whether or not is was a recognised World shoot I am not sure. As I said it was my first time to attend this type of comp and it was about 5 years ago.
Because if it was the latter, people thinking of trying it shouldn't pay much attention to your story, unpleasant as it was; and if it was the former, there'd be a record of it - hell, I might remember it myself if it was that far back because I might have been there at the time.
So I shouldn't ask you for details when you publicly say my sport runs unfair competitions and won't let people who shoot a higher score win if they're not part of the old boy's club?Your own actions here today were to try and belittle me and my knowledge of your sport, true I have no understanding of your type of shooting, it doesn't rock my boat or unshell my pea's
Prove?why do you feel the need to always try and prove yourself ?
Don't you mean defend?
And if you did mean defend, why do I always have to defend my sport in here, where we're all shooters together and nobody would ever dream of harming anyone else's sport for their own benefit?0 -
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Im trying to think of something smartass to say but word fail me....
mind you , the pea shooters would look well slurping on a can of this in their ''storm trooper'' get-up, on second thoughts it is a centrefire drink, there might be too much fizz for them..........0 -
In Sparks defence - if you're gonna sling mud you should really have your facts straight. Ignorance is not a defence as these are the sorts of comments which will turn potential shooters away.
In fact it's already quite apparant that the shooter in question was turned off on account of their own, misinformed position (whether through their own fault or otherwise), that this behaviour was a reflection on the sport in general and not just an isolated display of bad form. (On the other hand, I don't honestly see the problem with a policy of only club members being allowed to officially compete in an internal club competition - however, disqualification on the grounds of footware etc... is unquestionably a load of b*lls).
As for everything else - can we not just all shoot sh*t and be happy??? 0 -
MortgageMan wrote: »I remember a group of total novices attending a comp in South Wicklow about 3 years ago. It was a recognised ISSF comp.
They turned up with none of the recognised expensive equipment an went on to win comp, the firearms used were bog standard rifles and pistols. These guys are still winning any comps that they enter whether it be the more challenging shooting comps or the easier handy lower calibre sport.
Practice makes perfect an sometimes you don't need all the bells and whistles, just a bit of talent.
I'm replying to this in a personal capacity because (a) I wasn't a member of the NTSA committee five years ago, (b) I think the NTSA login has been lost or changed and (c) At least three clubs, two organisations and some individuals have been potentially slandered.MortgageMan wrote: »Unfortunately I remember the match for all the wrong reasons, it was the first of that discipline I had attended and the behaviour at it sickened me to the core.
actually I looked back and the match was about 5 years ago, I am getting old and forgetful 
It turned me off the discipline for ever and opened my eyes to some of the characters who were and are still involved in this sport hence I did not name the club or individuals, but they had a big hand in messing up the licencing for fullbore pistols 
It's not clear from the above posts whether the OP is referring to a rifle or pistol competition nor is it clear as to whether it was a National or club competition.
In terms of pistol competitions, the first to be held under ISSF rules in this country was indeeed shot in a South Wicklow club just over five years ago. I was not present at this match and so cannot comment directly on the event or the particpants.
The 2005 match was a National championship and there are specific rules concerning these matches. National championships (and selection matches) are open to all to compete in, but prizes and selection for internationals are only available to paid up NTSA members who are eligible for Irish citizenship. AFAIK, this rule is also applied by other shooting (and in fact other sports) NGBs.
Another aspect of these matches is that insofar as is possible, all rules for the competition are strictly adhered to. I say insofar as possible because testing equipment or other match equipment may not be available to fully comply with or enforce the rules such as the availability of trigger weights, clothing stiffness gauges or timing equipment. Where there is such a lack, the shooter always gets the benefit.
Footwear was mentioned in a subsequent post and there is a rule (8.4.5.2) for pistol matches that only low-sided shoes that do not cover the ankle bone are permitted. In all matches it is the responsibility of the competitor to be aware of and comply with the rules of the competition. The ISSF rules are, and always have been available to download and read from the ISSF website. Breaches of the rules may be notified to the competitor before, during or after the match has taken place.
Clubs will also have specific rules for their own ranges such as the type of ammunition that can be used (for example Rathdrum does not allow the use of supersonic or copper jacketed ammunition) or the safety procedures when entering or leaving the range and/or firing point.
The specific match will also have specific rules. The 2005 match was the ISSF standard pistol competition which is only open to pistols of .22 calibre for which there are maximum barrel length and sight radius limitations as well as a minimum trigger weight of 1000gr. Anyone using a pistol outside these limitations would not have their scores recorded.
I have been involved in target shooting for almost twenty years and in that time have never seen anyone excluded from a match other than in strict accordance with the rules. On many occasions I have seen rules relaxed rather than exclude somebody on a technicality that they were clearly not aware of, but at the same time I would be loathe to award a prize to an individual who gained an advantage over a fellow competitor through such a breach. The rules exist to provide as level a playing field as possible to all competitors.
Finally, and assuming we are discussing a pistol match, I would have thought that in 2005 pretty much every one was a relative newbie to a sport that had barely a year to get established.0 -
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Zeroed in on the 5m line. And post #3000 for me
Wait...what?
Actual question: This is a thing?
Also, everyone needs to stop bickering like children. The sun is shining and there's no clouds about. Shouldn't you all be out shooting? I've got my gear in the boot of the car. 2.5 hours and I'm outta work to go show some love to the local bunny population 0
:P 
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