Irish surname please!

Tahuti

My family name stretches back to Normandy, when we hopped the boat to get here with Strongbow.

Gaelic-isation would be a mockery to my ancestors who strived so hard to keep the Irish under the thumb.

I vote no to this proposal.

Agricola

Nope. This isnt the 1930's and DeValera is dead. Time to move on.

Adrian009

Tahuti wrote: »

My family name stretches back to Normandy, when we hopped the boat to get here with Strongbow.

Gaelic-isation would be a mockery to my ancestors who strived so hard to keep the Irish under the thumb.

I vote no.

I presume that is meant tounge-in-cheek. Otherwise, where did names such as Mac an Fhailaigh, de Burca, O Cisog and Ni Gearailt hail from?

Adrian009

Agricola wrote: »

Nope. This isnt the 1930's and DeValera is dead. Time to move on.

I point out for the record that de Valera is in no way a Gaelic surname either ....

Tahuti

Adrian009 wrote: »

I presume that is meant tounge-in-cheek. Otherwise, where did names such as Mac an Fhailaigh, de Burca, O Cisog and Ni Gearailt hail from?

Not only that, but I fully intend to recapture our ancestral lands, and resettle those of the bloodline now scattered throughout the world, using the Israeli template.

Yeah, I'm only messing.

Our name is unchanged since Strongbow's time though, so I still have a French surname.

Interestingly there is an anglicised, though no gaelicised version, of it.

Adrian009

Tahuti wrote: »

Not only that, but I fully intend to recapture our ancestral lands, and resettle those of the bloodline, now scattered throughout the world, using the Israeli template.

Yeah, I'm only messing.

Our name is unchanged since Strongbow's time though, so I still have a French surname.

Interestingly there is an anglicised, though no gaelicised version, of it.

Cool! I'd be suprised however if there was'nt a Gaelic form of it somewhere. One Norman-French name that comes to mind is Montegomery, which I've seen as Mac an Iomire. How correct that is I don't know.

phasers

There's no Irish translation for my surname ;-;

the keen edge

Tahuti wrote: »

My family name stretches back to Normandy, when we hopped the boat to get here with Strongbow.

Gaelic-isation would be a mockery to my ancestors who strived so hard to keep the Irish under the thumb.

I vote no to this proposal.

Firstly, assimilation with the native cultural was a major feature of Norman conquest, so your point is moot.

Secondly, Strongbow and his Knights (from which my surname comes from), didn't come from Normandy.

They were Cambro-Norman, they came from Pembroke.
And many of those Knight themselves took Gaelic names: More Irish than the Irish themselves!.

sensibleken

My surname, duffy, is waay cooler in Irish. Dubhfaigh 'The black one'

f*ck yeah!

the keen edge

Tahuti wrote: »

Not only that, but I fully intend to recapture our ancestral lands, and resettle those of the bloodline now scattered throughout the world, using the Israeli template.

Yeah, I'm only messing.

Our name is unchanged since Strongbow's time though, so I still have a French surname.

Interestingly there is an anglicised, though no gaelicised version, of it.

Sorry for my earlier generalised point regarding the Normans.

Very interesting that your surname is unchanged since Strongbow time.

Adrian009

sensibleken wrote: »

My surname, duffy, is waay cooler in Irish. Dubhfaigh 'The black one'

f*ck yeah!

The problem being some ejitts would pronounce it as Dove Fag ...

old hippy

Ach, what's in a name, anyway?

Misticles

I'd like to change my name back to the Irish version!
Just to keep it going through future generations.

TheZohanS

old hippy wrote: »

Ach, what's in a name, anyway?

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Still though, Zohan McDvir has a nice ring to it.

Misticles

TheZohan wrote: »

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Still though, Zohan McDvir has a nice ring to it.

You'd have to change Busters too :P

Tahuti

the keen edge wrote: »

Sorry for my earlier generalised point regarding the Normans.

Very interesting that your surname is unchanged since Strongbow time.

No bother. I always thought they came straight from France

Apparently, the first dude came from Normandy to Chester, then his progeny came in the second invasion to Ireland.

Then we were landlords, till we turned Catholic and got turfed out after the Battle of the Boyne.

Just one of those oddities of history that the name survived, I suppose, but it makes looking at the ancient family history a little easier.

ShooterSF

TheZohan wrote: »

That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.

Not if you call them stench blossoms.

Xivilai

I already knew my surname [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Ó Loinín (Leonard) cos my dad used to make me sign it on my copybooks years ago

Apparently they came from Fermanagh, wonder if theres many up there now. I've never met another with the same name :P (Other than family )
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deise go deo

Adrian009 wrote: »

Thanks, that's a great idea.

Personally I'm quite happy with the way my name is, but naturally I give the Irish version when ag caint agus coiseacht as Gaeilge.

I get the impression some people dislike the idea that their 'real' name must be in Irish, in that somehow it makes them 'less' Irish by using the English form. This kind of super-Gael thinking is too extreme for most people, and only serves to further turn them off the language.

I have my name in Irish because I prefer it that way, I think everyone should know what their name is in Irish(If ther is an Irish Version for it of course)

Other than that though I dont see why or how it could be anything other than personal choice as to what people use, It is their name after all.

Tahuti

And in researching all that, I just came across a Gaelic version of the name.

What a mouthful.

I'll stick to the French, thanks. :pac:

who the fug

Have just come back from the Saudi Embassy , was half tempted because of this thread to sign in, using the Irish, but seeing as I have had grief from them in past over the fact that my first name doesn't match my ID, I thought better of it

who the fug

sensibleken wrote: »

My surname, duffy, is waay cooler in Irish. Dubhfaigh 'The black one'

f*ck yeah!

Lots of black names in Irish, mine is the Black Haired One

Faolchu

donutface wrote: »

Arent you by Irish law allowed to use both anyway? Or is that only your first name

think that might be your first name. I checked a few years ago and was told that there is nothing in irish law that says you can switch between both. they said legally i couldnt becase the name is recorded on my birth cert, i would have to get it changed via deed poll

fontanalis

who the fug wrote: »

But the Scots were the original Irish

What with the what now?

fontanalis

who the fug wrote: »

Lots of black names in Irish, mine is the Black Haired One

Like Doyle; the Black Foreigners. Out damned Norse Men.

zero19

Have never used the irish version of my name, takes to long to write! Surname means proud chieftan seemingly

Ruire

fontanalis wrote: »

What with the what now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti

Or something to that effect, anyway.

who the fug

zero19 wrote: »

Have never used the irish version of my name, takes to long to write! Surname means proud chieftan seemingly

You come from a long line of Spin Doctors then

fontanalis

The OP is obviously a sub Sci Fi Channel troll; one problem is the irish version doesn't translate well phoenetically. But the history of surnames and the mythology/pseudo history behind families/clans is very interesting and that is somethign that it would be nice to see people being aware off.

fontanalis

Ruire wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti

Or something to that effect, anyway.

It was a name given by the Romans to irish people who raided the British coast who then invaded Scotland. Doesn't mean that Scottish people were the original Irish.
Although he did say Scots which may not be the same as implying modern Scottish people!

who the fug

fontanalis wrote: »

It was a name given by the Romans to irish people who raided the British coast who then invaded Scotland. Doesn't mean that Scottish people were the original Irish.

if helps our claim for Rockall and future oil revenues, it bleeding well does

fontanalis

who the fug wrote: »

if helps our claim for Rockall and future oil revenues, it bleeding well does

What about the Scots vast trove of deep fat fried mars bars?

Ruire

fontanalis wrote: »

It was a name given by the Romans to irish people who raided the British coast who then invaded Scotland. Doesn't mean that Scottish people were the original Irish.
Although he did say Scots which may not be the same as implying modern Scottish people!

I did say "something to that effect". Obviously, the poster has heard of them through the grapevine and gotten all sorts of confused. It doesn't really matter anyway.

deise go deo

Faolchu wrote: »

think that might be your first name. I checked a few years ago and was told that there is nothing in irish law that says you can switch between both. they said legally i couldnt becase the name is recorded on my birth cert, i would have to get it changed via deed poll

You do not need a deed poll to use the Irish version of your name. You can use either your first name or second name(And sometimes even both:eek:) In Irish.

who the fug

fontanalis wrote: »

What about the Scots vast trove of deep fat fried mars bars?

After bit of re branding they should sell well in America.

Oranage2

great idea. we moan and slate the English but we're exactly the same. I've seen Irish people correct people abroad by sayin they're not English but Irish but theres no difference, the only difference is the language so unless you speak Irish your as British as the Brits.

Jaxxy

I love the Irish language but wouldn't change my surname. It's Norse in origin anyway and I like it just the way it is.

deise go deo

fontanalis wrote: »

What with the what now?

Scots (Highlanders) originally came from Ulster. The tribe living in Ulster expanded into Scotland and took it over from the Picts.

The Lia Fáil(Stone of Destiny) Used in Crowning the High King of Ireland was sent to Scotland on Loan for a Coronation there, and stayed there as the Stone of Scone untill the English Invaded. It is widely believed that the Large stone under the Throne in Westminster is the Original Lia Fáil.

Dravokivich

JaxxYChicK wrote: »

I love the Irish language but wouldn't change my surname. It's Norse in origin anyway and I like it just the way it is.

You viking warrior princess you!

:pac:

Jaxxy

Dravokivich wrote: »

You viking warrior princess you!

:pac:

I love a good raping pillaging.

fontanalis

deise go deo wrote: »

Scots (Highlanders) originally came from Ulster. The tribe living in Ulster expanded into Scotland and took it over from the Picts.

The Lia Fáil(Stone of Destiny) Used in Crowning the High King of Ireland was sent to Scotland on Loan for a Coronation there, and stayed there as the Stone of Scone untill the English Invaded. It is widely believed that the Large stone under the Throne in Westminster is the Original Lia Fáil.

And didn't the Lia Fail come with the Tuatha De Danann? So it's not exactly hard and fast history (although a lump of stone did leave Ireland).

deise go deo

fontanalis wrote: »

And didn't the Lia Fail come with the Tuatha De Danann? So it's not exactly hard and fast history (although a lump of stone did leave Ireland).

The Stone of Scone is recorded fact. And I believe there is evidence of the request from the Scots to the Irish for the stone to be sent to Scotland.

History is never hard and Fast. But it can be quite interesting:)

sensibleken

deise go deo wrote: »

The Stone of Scone is recorded fact. And I believe there is evidence of the request from the Scots to the Irish for the stone to be sent to Scotland.

History is never hard and Fast. But it can be quite interesting:)

Some historians equate the two, others call the one at Tara the real lia fáil. I touched the one at tara* and it screamed 'ah ah get off! get off!' so i guess that makes me high king

*may have been bald miget

fontanalis

deise go deo wrote: »

The Stone of Scone is recorded fact. And I believe there is evidence of the request from the Scots to the Irish for the stone to be sent to Scotland.

History is never hard and Fast. But it can be quite interesting:)

What was the English claim for it again; wasn't it to try and link them to Scotland to claim the throne?

who the fug

fontanalis wrote: »

What was the English claim for it again; wasn't it to try and link them to Scotland to claim the throne?

Contrary to Brave Heart Edward Longshanks had an equal if not better claim to the Scottish throne than the two Norman claimants

grenache

Rhamiel wrote: »

Sure... I have an anglicised surname myself and the thought just occurred to me when when I discovered gaelic origins of it myself after years of fretting over it being entirely anglo-saxon :P

i think you mean you have an 'anglo' surname, not an 'anglicized' one. All Irish surnames have been anglicized. If your surname is an Anglo one then it's already anglicized i would have thought.

LordSutch

Question for those of you who wish to change you surnames to Irish ones;

How do you know that your surname was a Gaelic/Irish surname in the 1st place? might it not be the case that your ancestors came acrooss the water from Britain just like mine did !!!

My surname is not Irish, but there is an Irish translation for it just the same :cool:

HoneyRyder

LordSutch wrote: »

Question for those of you who wish to change you surnames to Irish ones;

How do you know that your surname was a Gaelic/Irish surname in the 1st place? might it not be the case that your ancestors came acrooss the water from Britain just like mine did !!!

To be honest, I couldn't give a flying fidelma about my ancestors. I am Irish therefore my name is too. Sin é

LordSutch

HoneyRyder wrote: »

To be honest, I couldn't give a flying fidelma about my ancestors. I am Irish therefore my name is too. Sin é

You mean, even if it was'nt originally

In which case I guess Polish & Chinese names will be converted in due course.

who the fug

LordSutch wrote: »

You mean, even if it was'nt originally

In which case I guess Polish & Chinese names will be converted in due course.

What like Pearse