Counillor to make formal complaint to Gardai about Ming.

Tahuti

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Here's the funny thing, all the pot-heads/junkies/stoners and so on don't seem to realize that most normal people think Ming is an idiot

Define 'normal people'.

HavingCrack

Einhard wrote: »

Eh I wasn't having a go at your error, I was having a go at your entire point!

Explain how representative democracy is better than direct democracy if that is the case? I'd love to hear this one.

mikom

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Here's the funny thing, all the pot-heads/junkies/stoners and so on don't seem to realize that most normal people think Ming is an idiot

Yes, those bad bad people....... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=953

karma_

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Sir... I am astounded at your amazing rebuttal. I do not believe anyone could ever even doubt your skills. RichieC for Taoiseach!



If posts were illegal, you'd be getting the chair. :rolleyes:

Or then again, you'd probably pull a Ming and be fine.

Here's the funny thing, all the pot-heads/junkies/stoners and so on don't seem to realize that most normal people think Ming is an idiot and should be in jail for the fact he breaks the law and tries to change it.

If he wants weed to be legal, fine. Just don't make a joke or a mockery of being a TD or the election process. But he's on weed, he probably thinks it's funny.

So what you're saying is that those who voted form Ming are not normal?

Some speak that.

Chaotic_Forces

Tahuti wrote: »

Define 'normal people'.

anyone who isn't a pothead.

For some damn reason wasters like that just don't see the problem with a TD breaking the law. I wonder why that it is

mikom wrote: »

Yes, those bad bad people....... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=953

Every single pot head is from one county? Never knew that.

karma_ wrote: »

So what you're saying is that those who voted form Ming are not normal?

Some speak that.

Yes, that's right. Or, they just don't understand how much of a muppet he is and he should have been locked up already.

Anyway, I'm already being jumped on by the stoners here so I'm out.

You can all have the last word whenever you finish breaking the law or "willingly smoking an illegal substance" or whatever you lot call it after you spin the words around so you feel good.

120_Minutes

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

So because you think you know where it comes from you consider that to be a good counter arguement :rolleyes:

i never said i thought i knew where it came from, i said i knew.

..or are you misreading my posts on purpose?

mikom

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Every single pot head is from one county? Never knew that.

The people of Roscommon/south Leitrim.......... are they idiots or normal according to yourself?

RichieC

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Sir... I am astounded at your amazing rebuttal. I do not believe anyone could ever even doubt your skills. RichieC for Taoiseach!

Why thank you, such a great complement.

120_Minutes

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Because he's a fu*king muppet who uses the sole gimmick of "I will make weed legal and I smoke it when it's illegal, so I'm a hero" to get elected.

Wrong. he ran on other policies too, far from "gimmicks" perhaps if you researched him you wouldnt have made such an illinformed post?

Here's the funny thing, all the pot-heads/junkies/stoners and so on don't seem to realize that most normal people think Ming is an idiot and should be in jail for the fact he breaks the law and tries to change it.

Wrong again, if that were true then he wouldnt have been elected at all.

you really dont know what you're talking about.

Chaotic_Forces

120_Minutes wrote: »

Wrong. he ran on other policies too, far from "gimmicks" perhaps if you researched him you wouldnt have made such an illinformed post?




Wrong again, if that were true then he wouldnt have been elected at all.

you really dont know what you're talking about.

So... he didn't try to appeal to the stoners? He tried to appeal to everyone with the thing of "I smoke weed and will get it legal"?

And... yes I do know what I'm talking about. But then again I don't understand the inner workings of a drug addict like Ming.

Einhard

mikom wrote: »

If it's legal then it must be right.
Yep.

I never stated that. Seriously, how about you respond to points that are actually made, rather than imagined arguments?

Swap the word gambling for the word cannabis, and you'll see what I am getting at....

I'm not arguing against cannabis here. I'm arguing for respecting the law. It's amazing how many people fail to grasp that simple distinction.

RichieC wrote: »

It's ironic because gambling is another pursuit that ruins peoples lives quite frequently. but that's okay!

As above. Gambling is not illegal. Therefore, there's nothign ironic in a person objecting to law breaking whilst been involved in gambling.

Tahuti wrote: »

That we live in a democracy? Having the IMF bailout foist upon us is democratic?

Well yes, it was actually. We could have voted for the ULA or Sinn Fein, who promised to renounce the EU/IMF deal, but we didn't. We made a democratic choice.

We live in a type of democracy. There are other, better democratic systems out there, as outlined in HC's post.

And nothing in his post negated the fact that we live in a democratic system. That was my point.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily subscribe to the view that direct democracy is better than representative democracy, but that's for another day.

Biggins wrote: »

Question: is Ming from his area?
As he's been selected to partly represent his area - maybe he should concentrate actually on them (and give out about crimes in the area he's been selected for?). Not be crying about someone far elsewhere in a building in Dublin?

I think it's a tad unreasonable to demand that councillors shouldn;t have opinions on matters outside their area. I'm not from Rosscommon, and yet I have an opinion on the matter- why shouldn't Coonan too?

HavingCrack wrote: »

Explain how representative democracy is better than direct democracy if that is the case? I'd love to hear this one.

I never stated that it was.

mikom

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So... he didn't try to appeal to the stoners? He tried to appeal to everyone with the thing of "I smoke weed and will get it legal"?

And... yes I do know what I'm talking about.

You don't.......... http://www.lukemingflanagan.ie/policies/

Policies
European Banking Crisis

Ireland must go back to the EU and be honest about the fact that we cannot pay this ever spiralling mountain of debt. If we don’t do it now then we will face interest payments in the near future which will amount to over €10 billion per year, in other words one third of this year’s tax take. This will in the end force us to default anyway. To make matters worse the EU are profiting on our misery by charging us almost 3% more than what they pay for the money in the first place. Given that it was on EU advice that we guarantee the banks then we should not be lumbered with the consequences of their stupidity.

I have since October studied a Diploma in Economics lectured by David McWilliams in Dublin. I have heard expert opinion from a variety of reputable and experienced sources. Every one of them has come to the same conclusion. It is morally and economically wrong to expect the ordinary Irish tax payer to pay the banks debts.
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Government Reform

The next government must put in place radical local government reform if they want this country to work. If done correctly it will also facilitate the reform of how our politicians do their business at a national level.
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Tourism

Roscommon/South Leitrim has massive potential to increase it share of tourism revenue from what is now an estimated €52 million/ per year. While this might sound like an impressive figure it pales into insignificance when compared to the €430 million that Galway earns. It would be naïve to think that one could match that figure locally but what it does show is the potential for an area if it develops its tourism industry correctly.

We have the ingredients for massive growth in this sector. When it comes to access we have two train lines and we are also only a short distance from Knock airport. We have any amount of properties to let for accommodation. We have a willing and able work force only delighted to service tourism. Most importantly, WE DO have a product. We have the longest border with the Shannon. We have umpteen lakes suitable for fishing, shooting, boating, kayaking and swimming. We have eight golf courses. We have numerous walking & cycling routes. When it comes to archaeology and historical tourism there is no where else in the country with such potential.

Every €30,000 of extra revenue earned by the industry creates one new job directly. If this area was to reach one third the capacity of the Galway tourism market then we would be looking at increase revenue to the area of over €90 million. This translates into increased employment of circa 3000 people. This will not be an easy task but it can be achieved if a well thought out strategy is devised. We have the right ingredients. Now let’s make it work.

One thing that the next government must do is to remove all Airport charges and Taxes as they are self defeating. If we want to get money from tourists then one is better to get them into the country first. Then we can start earning some real money from them. We get nothing from them if we scare them away before they even book their flights.
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Natural Resources

One of the greatest and most expensive scandals ever perpetrated against the Irish people is the deal done with Shell on our Gas and Oil fields. Former Fianna Fail Minister Ray Burke, who was convicted and jailed for tax fraud, is the ‘man’ behind this deal. The highly respected economist Colm Rapple has described the deal as “the great oil and gas giveaway”. How right he was. He states that “on a conservative estimate there could be 10 billion barrels of oil or the equivalent in natural gas, under the seabed off the west coast of Ireland”. That’s about enough to supply all of our needs for the next hundred years and we have given it away for nothing. In monetary terms we are talking about €700 Billion. This ‘deal’ must be renegotiated immediately by the next government.
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Turf Cutting

As P.R.O of the Turf Cutters & Contractors Association I am fully committed to the cause of our right to cut turf for domestic use. Our people currently have access to cheap fuel and this must continue. Turf is one of the few resources that we have which puts money into the local economy and creates employment.
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Agriculture and Food

Multinationals supermarkets are something which have in recent years become common place in our larger towns. They are an inexpensive and convenient way to shop. However they need not be the only way we sell and source our food.

I have consulted extensively with Peter Ward the Good Food Ireland Person of the Year 2010 on this issue. I have also met with him at what is Ireland’s best example of a local food market ‘the milk market’ in Limerick City. Here Peter and other local producers from the area sell to the public at prices that are competitive with the supermarket. Peter Ward deals directly with local suppliers offering them a market for their excellent produce. It has created much employment in the Munster countryside and is a model that can replicated all over Roscommon and Leitrim.

I am proposing that a newly empowered local government would aim to create a farmers market in every town in the country with a population of 1500 and more. The effect of selling local food benefits more than just the farmer. This money also circulates around the local economy. The farmer purchases services from other locals who in turn purchase more local food creating further employment. This means we get a multiplier effect on every euro of food that is produced.

Roscommon & South Leitrim spent €9 million alone on fruit and vegetables in 2010. We spent over €14.5 million on draught beer and stout. The vast majority of this is not produced in the area. If we look at all the other products we purchase which could be produced locally such as bread, cheese, beer, and believe it or not drinking water, then it is clear that we unnecessarily leach 10’s of millions of Euro out of the local economy on an every year.

I have visited The Galway Hooker brewery in Roscommon Town and seen first hand that we have the people who can produce a top quality product to compete with the best. I have seen examples of where local farmers produce fruit and vegetables of the finest quality and sell it direct to the public at a profit. We cannot continue to produce so little of what we consume and at the same time expect rural Ireland to survive. It is essential for the future of this area that the local economy once again thrives. We have to make this happen!
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Health

It is imperative for the people of this region that services are maintained and enhanced at both Roscommon and Portiuncula hospitals. There is no clear evidence that reducing services will save the country a single cent. In fact there is much evidence that if the services are removed then this region would face terminal economic decline. For a start the direct employment of 960 people would be lost the area.

Looking at the bigger picture the health service provided to citizens must be based on their needs rather than their ability to pay. Both the Canadian and Dutch systems are proven models of healthcare which deliver exceptional care allied with good value for money. If they can do there then we can do it here.

However whatever model of health care we follow, it will be unsustainable unless we reduce the ludicrously high salaries of consultants and health care managers. Also a sharpened focus must be given to a ‘prevention is better than cure’ strategy.

Mental Health has always been the poor relation of the health service. It is under resourced and over reliant on medication to deal with societies most in need people.

Ireland must put in place an independent commission to look at the possible negative health effects of EMF radiation from all devices which emit such frequencies from all devices which emit such frequencies.
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Fishing Industry

In 2010 there was €1,180 million worth of fish caught in Irish waters of which only €190 million was landed by Irish fisherman. Add to this the fact that for every €1 of fish landed there is the potential to add another €2 in processing and packaging.

So in total we have lost a potential €3 Billion in revenue thousands of jobs to the Irish economy in 2010. What we are doing is the equivalent of the French exporting their grapes in order that someone else can make wine from them and reap the rewards.

The situation is even more dire when one considers that our European ‘friends’ are fishing so intensively that our fishing grounds are being destroyed. The next government must do something about this immediately upon taking power.

120_Minutes

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So... he didn't try to appeal to the stoners? He tried to appeal to everyone with the thing of "I smoke weed and will get it legal"?

yes he did, but it wasnt his "sole gimmick" as you put it. so, *sigh* you were wrong


it really isnt rocket science mate.

Tahuti

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

anyone who isn't a pothead.

Is that really how you see the world?

For some damn reason wasters like that just don't see the problem with a TD breaking the law. I wonder why that it is

I see no harm in people smoking cannabis, whether they are a TD or not.

I can recognise that some laws are ridiculous and need changing, and don't get myself in a hissy fit because somebody of prominence is breaking that law.

I also recognise that when a law is more harmful than that which it purports to prohibit, every effort should be made by right thinking people to have that law repealed.

Chaotic_Forces

120_Minutes wrote: »

yes he did, but it wasnt his "sole gimmick" as you put it. so, *sigh* you were wrong


it really isnt rocket science mate.

If it was, I doubt he'd understand it.

Look, all I'm saying is, while he does have policies, his sole gimmick to get himself elected mostly was trying to makehimself to be some sort of rebel. Whatever way you look at it, he is trying to "stick it to the man". It's time he grew up. It's like me trying to get... alcohol legal to drink on the streets and then running for TD and saying "I generally go to the local Centra, buy a six pack and drink them outside on the street, vote for me".

Tahuti wrote: »

Is that really how you see the world?



I see no harm in people smoking cannabis, whether they are a TD or not.

I can recognise that some laws are ridiculous and need changing, and don't get myself in a hissy fit because somebody of prominence is breaking that law.

Stupid law is stupid.

So you believe it's fine to break the law you're trying to change in defiance and as such, you should be rewarded?

mikom wrote: »

You don't.......... http://www.lukemingflanagan.ie/policies/

Oh you mean the fact he doesn't say he's a drug user there? Yeah, I'm sure his site is 100% true. :rolleyes:
Also... nothing about his stance on drugs! What a suprise!

Einhard

Tahuti wrote: »

I can recognise that some laws are ridiculous and need changing, and don't get myself in a hissy fit because somebody of prominence is breaking that law.

Stupid law is stupid.

I don't think it's throwing a "hissy fit" to ask that the law be enforced. Ming is now in a position to change the law, if he can garner enough support to do so. Until then, it's not too much to ask that he obey the law of the land/

Tahuti

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So you believe it's fine to break the law you're trying to change in defiance and as such, you should be rewarded?

Only those laws which are malum prohibitum, not those malum in se of course.

Snakeblood

Einhard wrote: »

I don't think it's throwing a "hissy fit" to ask that the law be enforced. Ming is now in a position to change the law, if he can garner enough support to do so. Until then, it's not too much to ask that he obey the law of the land/

There's a long history of laws being changed through civil disobedience. For a lot of laws it was too much to ask to obey them.

Tahuti

Einhard wrote: »

I don't think it's throwing a "hissy fit" to ask that the law be enforced. Ming is now in a position to change the law, if he can garner enough support to do so. Until then, it's not too much to ask that he obey the law of the land/

So, as somebody pointed out earlier, should all those wiccans, occultists, witches and warlocks, some of whom openly post on Boards.ie, be jailed for one year in accordance with the law?

Or would it be stupid to enforce such a law?

120_Minutes

Einhard wrote: »

it's not too much to ask that he obey the law of the land/

another can of worms there, the freeman movement would counter that the law of the land is a different thing altogether..

Chaotic_Forces

Einhard wrote: »

I don't think it's throwing a "hissy fit" to ask that the law be enforced. Ming is now in a position to change the law, if he can garner enough support to do so. Until then, it's not too much to ask that he obey the law of the land/

It is because drug addicts/users/potheads/smokers/fans (whatever the fu*k they call themselves) don't understand why it's so bad.

They think he's some sort of leader, in a war on drugs.

While I don't care about him wanting it to be legal, I care he's breaking the law to make it legal. But because the people that dont understand also smoke it, it causes them to think we're the ones with the problem. Which it's really just a case of "waah waah, I want my friend to get me drugs, waah waah". instead of "Okay, we have a guy as a TD, we like him, we're happy he wants weed to be legal, let's get into action". But no, they still think it's a-okay to break the law instead of trying to change it.

Tahuti wrote: »

Only those laws which are malum prohibitum, not those malum in se of course.

So I feel that I should be allowed to murder people who look at me cross-eyed, may I disobey that law and have your support?

mikom

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Oh you mean the fact he doesn't say he's a drug user there? Yeah, I'm sure his site is 100% true. :rolleyes:
Also... nothing about his stance on drugs! What a suprise!

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

He tried to appeal to everyone with the thing of "I smoke weed and will get it legal"?

You're a confused puppy.

Chaotic_Forces

mikom wrote: »

You're a confused puppy.

Nope, I'm not a pothead like your hero.

Biggins

Einhard wrote: »

I think it's a tad unreasonable to demand that councillors shouldn;t have opinions on matters outside their area. I'm not from Rosscommon, and yet I have an opinion on the matter- why shouldn't Coonan too?

He's entitled as a private citizen to complain all he wants about anything to the Gardi.
If he's doing it while using his Councillor capacity, I feel he's over stepping his boundaries of office (and border constituency) - and should be better using that office to sort out such same problems closer to home than just use his title to have a go at another far, far away!

mikom

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So I feel that I should be allowed to murder people who look at me cross-eyed, may I disobey that law and have your support?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCt1BwWE2gA

Tahuti

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So I feel that I should be allowed to murder people who look at me cross-eyed, may I disobey that law and have your support?

Go back, read my post again, maybe look up the definitions therein, perhaps have another read of the post, then consider the question you've just asked me.

FlutterinBantam

heh heh all the usual claims, rebuttals, insults, post changing.

Of course there is only one answer.

If he breaks the law he should be charged and sentenced, same as everyone else.

What's so fooking difficult to understand about that:D

Chaotic_Forces

Tahuti wrote: »

Go back read the post again, maybe look up the definitions therein, perhaps have another read of the post, then consider the question you've just asked me.

But I feel that law is wrong! Surely I should be outside murdering people!

OH wait, you just picked and chose what laws it applies too. How entertaining.

Snakeblood

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

So I feel that I should be allowed to murder people who look at me cross-eyed, may I disobey that law and have your support?

You should google what malum in se means. You'd have your answer without bothering with silly questions.

Chaotic_Forces

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

heh heh all the usual claims, rebuttals, insults, post changing.

Of course there is only one answer.

If he breaks the law he should be charged and sentenced, same as everyone else.

What's so fooking difficult to understand about that:D

Because the stoners think he's some sort of hero!

It's because THEY break the law too and for the same reason, they cannot understand why on Earth he should be punished.

But expect an attack on your post by the stoners.

RichieC

herp derp...

FlutterinBantam

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Because the stoners think he's some sort of hero!

It's because THEY break the law too and for the same reason, they cannot understand why on Earth he should be punished.

But expect an attack on your post by the stoners.

She's cast iron man, cast iron.

Anyone who can pick holes in that post is, well a stoner;)

You just can't argue with the facts and the current laws.

Biggins

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

...expect an attack on your post by the stoners.

Will there be stoning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsVAYFSEBrA

Einhard

Snakeblood wrote: »

There's a long history of laws being changed through civil disobedience. For a lot of laws it was too much to ask to obey them.

We live in a democracy. The way to change things in a democracy is to seek a mandate for doing so. Otherwise, I'm completely against the notion that people can just ignore laws that discommode them whenever they see fit.

Tahuti wrote: »

So, as somebody pointed out earlier, should all those wiccans, occultists, witches and warlocks, some of whom openly post on Boards.ie, be jailed for one year in accordance with the law?

Or would it be stupid to enforce such a law?

The reason those laws are on the statute books is because nobody could be bothered to remove them They're archaic. Similar to such American laws probibiting the eating of roadkill on a Sunday and the like.

The law prohibiting cannabis is of an entirely different nature. it is active, and is intended to be so. It's not, like the laws you mentioned, an archaic relic of a different era, and it's entirely disingenuous to make such a comparison.

Tahuti

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

She's cast iron man, cast iron.

Anyone who can pick holes in that post is, well a stoner;)

You just can't argue with the facts and the current laws.

Surely the same discretion with regard to cannabis possession, as practised by AGS, would be applied equally to all?

Chaotic_Forces

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

She's cast iron man, cast iron.

Anyone who can pick holes in that post is, well a stoner;)

You just can't argue with the facts and the current laws.

But no matter how many times you can post your post they will argue. They will bring Bertie into it, say completely idiotic things,, twist is, edit it and p[retty much every tactic and yet the base of the logical argument does not change. The fact is the same as ever but... somehow he's not doing anything wrong, apparently.:rolleyes:

ilovesleep

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

heh heh all the usual claims, rebuttals, insults, post changing.

Of course there is only one answer.

If he breaks the law he should be charged and sentenced, same as everyone else.

What's so fooking difficult to understand about that:D

What is so difficult to understand that our ex political leaders we were up to their necks in fraud and thiefery and they are not locked up

Tahuti

Einhard wrote: »

The reason those laws are on the statute books is because nobody could be bothered to remove them They're archaic. Similar to such American laws probibiting the eating of roadkill on a Sunday and the like.

The law prohibiting cannabis is of an entirely different nature. it is active, and is intended to be so. It's not, like the laws you mentioned, an archaic relic of a different era, and it's entirely disingenuous to make such a comparison.

But it's the law. The law must be applied.

Chaotic_Forces

ilovesleep wrote: »

What is so difficult to understand that our ex political leaders we were up to their necks in fraud and thiefery and they are not locked up

Haha, didn't see that coming a mile away.

What a typical argument about Ming: logic says he should be punished. NO BERTIE IS EVIL SO ARE THE OTHERS KILL THEM ALL BUT MING IS INNOCENT.

120_Minutes

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You just can't argue with the facts and the current laws.

facts yes, but you're not spouting any. merely ignorance.

you can argue with laws, when laws are bad. and yes i'm picking and choosing the laws because some laws are good, and some are bad.

I'm ok with breaking this law, and I want it changed.

I understand you people, for you laws are laws and cant be repealed. set in stone, aint they? sure they're there for a reason aint they? lock up anyone who breaks them eh? homosexuality would still be illegal if you had a say.

i dont understand your closemindedness.

Einhard

Tahuti wrote: »

But it's the law. The law must be applied.

No necessarily. Medieval or archaic laws which have no relevance or bearing are routinely ignored across the world. The law prohibiting cannabis use is not archaic, and is not viewed by society as something to be ignored. It's slightly annoying to have to explain such things to someone who's obviously intelligent enough to the difference. I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

Chaotic_Forces

120_Minutes wrote: »

facts yes, but you're not spouting any. merely ignorance.

you can argue with laws, when laws are bad. and yes i'm picking and choosing the laws because some laws are good, and some are bad.

I'm ok with breaking this law, and I want it changed.

I understand you people, for you laws are laws and cant be repealed. set in stone, aint they? sure they're there for a reason aint they? lock up anyone who breaks them eh? homosexuality would still be illegal if you had a say.

i dont understand your closemindedness.

He never once said he wouldn't try to change it.

Good for you, making stuff up.

120_Minutes

Einhard wrote: »

It's not, like the laws you mentioned, an archaic relic of a different era, and it's entirely disingenuous to make such a comparison.

I, and others like me believe it is.

ilovesleep

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Because the stoners think he's some sort of hero!

It's because THEY break the law too and for the same reason, they cannot understand why on Earth he should be punished.

But expect an attack on your post by the stoners.

I pity you so much if you are going through life with such ignorance and such a clouded judgement.

I don't use cannabis and i admire ming for his honesty. Now that i admire him for his honesty you think i am a stoner. cop on.

120_Minutes

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

He never once said he wouldn't try to change it.

Good for you, making stuff up.

what did i make up? flutts gone on record as a troll in this matter....to him we're all evil child rapists who should be shot. do you want to be compared to him?

Knasher

Einhard wrote: »

We live in a democracy. The way to change things in a democracy is to seek a mandate for doing so. Otherwise, I'm completely against the notion that people can just ignore laws that discommode them whenever they see fit.

Couldn't the fact that people elected and are defending a person who is actively breaking a law be seen as a mandate for changing the law?

Chaotic_Forces

ilovesleep wrote: »

I pity you so much if you are going through life with such ignorance and such a clouded judgement.

I don't use cannabis and i admire ming for his honesty. Now that i admire him for his honesty you think i am a stoner. cop on.

Cool. I raped a girl. I'm being honest, admire me!

Grow the Hell up. People like you are the problem. You want drugs to be legal, do something about it. Going on TV and saying "I do illegal things" isn't how adults should act; least of all people who are meant to be part of the government. But hey... good for you, you admire a man who breaks the law instead of just trying to change it.

Chaotic_Forces

120_Minutes wrote: »

what did i make up? flutts gone on record as a troll in this matter....to him we're all evil child rapists who should be shot. do you want to be compared to him?

120_Minutes wrote: »

I understand you people, for you laws are laws and cant be repealed. set in stone, aint they? sure they're there for a reason aint they? lock up anyone who breaks them eh? homosexuality would still be illegal if you had a say.

i dont understand your closemindedness.

That lovely part. I didn't seem him give that indication in the post you quoted.

Einhard

120_Minutes wrote: »

facts yes, but you're not spouting any. merely ignorance.

The facts are that Ming is breaking the law. And that some people here are ok with an elected representative breaking the law. I'm not arguing against legalisation, I'm arguing against such wanton disregard for the law.

you can argue with laws, when laws are bad. and yes i'm picking and choosing the laws because some laws are good, and some are bad.

So change the law!! Seriously, if enough people wanted to change the current laws on drugs, they'd be changed. Ming's election is a case in point.

I'm ok with breaking this law, and I want it changed.

I'm ok with you breaking the law too. I'm pretty much ok with Ming breaking the law. No skin off my nose really. What I'm not ok with though, is the notion that someone can demand immunity from prosecution because they don't agree with a particular law!

I think the laws against prostitution in this country are daft. I'd like to think I'd never avail of such services, but if I did, and was arrested, i wouldn't have the arrogance to claim i was above the law because I didn't agree with it!

Similaraly, I know plenty of people who think the law should be changed, but who don't believe people should just ignore whatever laws they see fit.

I understand you people, for you laws are laws and cant be repealed. set in stone, aint they? sure they're there for a reason aint they? lock up anyone who breaks them eh? homosexuality would still be illegal if you had a say.

He does have a say actually. It's called democracy.

i dont understand your closemindedness.

I don't understand how people can condone the selective obeying of laws.

Tahuti

Einhard wrote: »

No necessarily. Medieval or archaic laws which have no relevance or bearing are routinely ignored across the world. The law prohibiting cannabis use is not archaic, and is not viewed by society as something to be ignored. It's slightly annoying to have to explain such things to someone who's obviously intelligent enough to the difference. I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

When you call for the law to be applied, you are making a well-thought out argument.

When I call for the law to be applied, I am being obtuse.

The drug laws are also archaic, stemming from less enlightened times. Society already recognises that, which is why a blind eye is turned to possession of cannabis.

Now all we need are some politicians brave enough to call for a change in the statutes.

Einhard wrote: »

that someone can demand immunity from prosecution because they don't agree with a particular law!

Has Luke demanded immunity?