Why exactly do people want a united Ireland?

PatricaMcKay

KeithAFC wrote: »

Y We all know what the PIRA did and where about.

Actually most Unionists dont or at least pretend not to.

And for the record Im not the greatest fan of Provisional movement at any stage of their history.

K-9

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

"Moderate" Unionists you will find tend to support the British Army where ever it goes and what ever it does, and the Brits in recent years have been more than happy to back up their NATO ally, just as they have an obscene love affair with the zionist settler state occupying Palestine. However corrupt and Imperialist loving the Free State regime in the 26 counties at least its not in NATO.

Where do you learn these phrases of?

KeithAFC

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Actually most Unionists dont or at least pretend not to.

And for the record Im not the greatest fan of Provisional movement at any stage of their history.

I think many of them do.

wingsof daun

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/80106 ...Some neutrality.

It is a mistake that I personally made and Republicans generally make to see the Unionists as victims to be appeased and as hopelessly brainwashed so that they cant think straight, personally I find that attitude condescending to the point of bordering on sectarianism. They have brains and make decisions with them...Same as the rest of us.

Thanks for that article.
It all goes back to the planters of the 1600's, their relatives still here, they should have accepted the Irish flag and our culture or else leave. I find it hard to see where N.Ireland is going, perhaps the occupation of N.Ireland was meant for our placing into Western civilization - which is the cultural-less, consumerism etc regime that America has been trying to implement into places like Iraq. There can be many reasons for this that I cant think of now

KeithAFC

wingsof daun wrote: »

Thanks for that article.
It all goes back to the planters of the 1600's, their relatives still here, they should have accepted the Irish flag and our culture or else leave. I find it hard to see where N.Ireland is going, perhaps the occupation of N.Ireland was meant for our placing into Western civilization - which is the cultural-less, consumerism etc regime that America has been trying to implement into places like Iraq. There can be many reasons for this that I cant think of now

How do you get a million unionists off the island?

jimmycrackcorm

Predator_ wrote: »

Only in Ireland would such questions be asked. Could you image any other country where another country invades, breaks it up and someone asks 'Why would you want a united (country X)'.
For any Irish Patriot this question is just dumb.

Try applying the same logic to India and Pakistan. See how that goes for you....

PatricaMcKay

wingsof daun wrote: »

Thanks for that article.
It all goes back to the planters of the 1600's, their relatives still here, they should have accepted the Irish flag and our culture or else leave. I find it hard to see where N.Ireland is going, perhaps the occupation of N.Ireland was meant for our placing into Western civilization - which is the cultural-less, consumerism etc regime that America has been trying to implement into places like Iraq. There can be many reasons for this that I cant think of now

Thats what a lot of Irish nationalists and Unionists say but I dont buy that, most of those who came over came over seperately from the plantations and were fleeing war and poverty in the lowlands of Scotland and northern England. A lot of northern Republicans have Scottish or English names (Sands, Livingstone, Adams, etc) and a lot of Unionists have Gaelic names. Also a lot of Ulster Irish Protestants spoke Irish as a first language into the 19 th century which shows that there was intergration ( http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/61/297.html )...The Unionism that we know today arose as a reaction against the United Irishmen and the birth of Irish Republicanism and has no essential connection to the war of the "Glorious Revolution".

Unionism is simply a reaction to Irish Republicanism and nothing more.

wingsof daun

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Thats what a lot of Irish nationalists and Unionists say but I dont buy that, most of those who came over came over seperately from the plantations and were fleeing war and poverty in the lowlands of Scotland and northern England. A lot of northern Republicans have Scottish or English names (Sands, Livingstone, Adams, etc) and a lot of Unionists have Gaelic names. Also a lot of Ulster Irish Protestants spoke Irish as a first language into the 19 th century which shows that there was intergration ( http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/61/297.html )...The Unionism that we know today arose as a reaction against the United Irishmen and the birth of Irish Republicanism and has no essential connection to the war of the "Glorious Revolution".

Unionism is simply a reaction to Irish Republicanism and nothing more.

That;s a fair point.

The United Irishmen - that was Wolfe Tone and co? From my memory. They were freemasons, which is rather startling to some people. I believe this shadowy group always has some hidden motive they try to accomplish.
Maybe that was off the point....I think the IRA's activitie;s led to British army interference in our country, maybe the British gov needed and IRA of sorts to justify a British troop occupation?

PatricaMcKay

wingsof daun wrote: »

That;s a fair point.

The United Irishmen - that was Wolfe Tone and co? From my memory. They were freemasons, which is rather startling to some people.

Yes Wolfe Tone and Henry Joy et al.

Thats a good question which I have never really looked into about the influence of Freemasonary over them. Freemasonary meant different things at different places and times. Certainly many of those involved in the French revolution (which remember was the inspiration for the 1798 rebellion in Ireland) were members of Lodges because they were places were you could discuss things freely which certainly wasnt possible everywhere under the Ancien Regime. It also played a great role in the American revolution. So I would presume given that fact that many of the United Irishmen within the leadership were Enlightment Free thinkers that it must have played some part. To what extent I dont know and it might be difficult to find out...However I would be very suspicious of people who would claim Freemasonary is some homogenous conspiracy...The Orange Order is also Freemasonic and Freemasonary in England tended to be tied up with the establishment so maybe there wasnt much influence.

southsiderosie

The turn this thread has taken is exactly why NI will not have any kind of normal economic development in the near future - no matter what the topic, the debate always ends up in the same place.

junder

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

What days did you say have truelly gone?

Cough, cough.... http://www.belfastmedia.com/news_article.php?ID=4876

The Orange state remains what it always was.

Yes those orange bastards in the sdlp are a disgrace :rolleyes:

junder

dlofnep wrote: »

Where is irrelevant. By whom is the more pertinent question, and what would be by the people of Ireland, and not by a foreign parliament.

Actully its quite relevant

PatricaMcKay

junder wrote: »

Yes those orange bastards in the sdlp are a disgrace :rolleyes:

What are the SDLP doing? Administrating British rule. They are not in charge...And the fact that 95 per cent of those on the housing list will be from Roman Catholic backgrounds says all that needs to be said.

This will put things into context for those who have eyes to see...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/row-over-housing-plan-for-old-army-base-at-belfast-interface-15114234.htm

-Vega-

Can we still be facebook friends?

junder

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

What are the SDLP doing? Administrating British rule. They are not in charge...And the fact that 95 per cent of those on the housing list will be from Roman Catholic backgrounds says all that needs to be said.

This will put things into context for those who have eyes to see...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/row-over-housing-plan-for-old-army-base-at-belfast-interface-15114234.htm

The housing exec is part of Margaret Ritchies department, so unless the sdlp are actively discriminating against Catholics then it has more to do with the segregation of housing. Although Alex Attwood as just announced the building of 200 houses on the grounds of girdwood barracks so I am sure that will help with the waiting list

PatricaMcKay

junder wrote: »

The housing exec is part of Margaret Ritchies department, so unless the sdlp are actively discriminating against Catholics then it has more to do with the segregation of housing. Although Alex Attwood as just announced the building of 200 houses on the grounds of girdwood barracks so I am sure that will help with the waiting list

Segregation in housing a direct production of the occupation as is the fact that its those from a Roman Catholic background who are over whelming in need of house. The DUP will most likely sucessfully block the building of those houses on the girdwood barracks also. Despite the photo opportunities and the hype of Perversional Shame Fein there has been little or no social and economic for Republican and nationalist Belfast for the better, indeed the pacification process could be said to actually changed things for the worse.

southsiderosie

There is plenty of housing in cities like Belfast. The problem is, there is no rule of law, so people can't move into depopulated Loyalist-dominated areas without fear of being burned out of their homes.

In normal cities, as areas depopulate and devalue, new people can move in, often young people moving into their first house. This is simply not the case in Belfast, although people have gravitated to 'mixed' areas on the edges of Loyalist estates. Ballynafeigh in South Belfast is a good example of this.

Personally I think the whole 'housing estate' issue is problematic in that it concentrates poverty and fosters insularity. This is exactly why a lot of countries have shifted to voucher systems, and/or focused on 'mixed development' mandating that a certain number of units in each new development be set aside for those who need housing assistance.

While I understand why the housing issue has mattered in the past, the state simply cannot afford to build two of everything or have parallel services because the two communities in the north cannot get along or even compromise enough to ensure that their children have access to libraries, recreational facilities, or a decent home. And this kind of intransigence is exactly why NI is and will continue to be an economic basketcase: no tax policy in the world is enough to overcome the lack of infrastructure, statist mindset of local politicians, and basic lack of tolerance that continue to retard growth and development.

PatsytheNazi

KeithAFC wrote: »

How do you get a million unionists off the island?

As has been pointed out to the onionists umpteenth times, their's never been a million unionists in Ireland, more like 800,000 at most -if even that.

But ofcourse entrapping 700,000 nationalists is ok with you crowd isn't it.

And how come you abounded tens of thousands of fellow unionists in Donegal, Dublin (where Carson was from) to the new Free Sate with barely a thought ?

KeithAFC

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

As has been pointed out to the onionists umpteenth times, their's never been a million unionists in Ireland, more like 800,000 at most -if even that.

But ofcourse entrapping 700,000 nationalists is ok with you crowd isn't it.

And how come you abounded tens of thousands of fellow unionists in Donegal, Dublin (where Carson was from) to the new Free Sate with barely a thought ?

Don't tell me that. Tell Martin Mcguinness, he said it himself.

It seems in the republican movement amongst supporters, one republican like Martin says one thing, if a republican don't like it, he must refute it.



Also, Catholics trying to move in loyalist estates would be rather silly really. Why would they want to live amongst loyalists with the estate full of loyalist memorials and murals?

PatsytheNazi

KeithAFC wrote: »

Don't tell me that. Tell Martin Mcguinness, he said it himself.

It seems in the republican movement amongst supporters, one republican like Martin says one thing, if a republican don't like it, he must refute it.

Quote and link

Wolfe Tone

To a lot of people Martin McGuinness is not a republican.

kippy

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

To a lot of people Martin McGuinness is not a republican.

What is he to them - how many is "a lot"?

southsiderosie

KeithAFC wrote: »

Also, Catholics trying to move in loyalist estates would be rather silly really. Why would they want to live amongst loyalists with the estate full of loyalist memorials and murals?

Because it is public housing, and if people on the housing list could move anywhere it was available, there wouldn't be such a backlog. And the main groups of people trying to rent in or near loyalist housing estates in inner-city Belfast today aren't NI Catholics, they are foreigners looking for cheap housing.

People have this idea that it's THEIR turf and nobody else can live there. Then they complain that there aren't jobs, and their neighborhoods are falling apart. Again, if place like Belfast were like any other post-industrial city civic leaders would be able to promote is as a place where the costs are relatively low and there is a lot of cheap housing stock available. But it's not 'available' because some people want to block anyone else from living there.

southsiderosie

Lame Lantern wrote: »

I really hate the answers you get on the internet from citizens of the republic to this question.

"If there's no material benefit for me, why bother?" is not fair to the nationalist community of the north that endured decades of state oppression as the south gradually became disinterested in their situation, a community that would consider itself Irish and would refuse to identify as British. It amounts to excluding a community that views itself (entirely correctly) as sharing the same culture and history as those of us in the south for short term financial reasons.

You would get an awful lot of nationalists asking the same question. Dublin cannot afford NI levels of public spending. Are nationalists prepared to give up the NHS and state-backed community development schemes? Even if 20% of the nationalist community felt that they would be better off for economic reasons as part of the UK, that is enough to thwart any ballot initiative.

Trooperboyo

dlofnep wrote: »

No, they do not have democracy. Nationalists have 8 seats, in a 646 house which represents unionist interests, first and foremost. They cannot influence matters pertaining to taxation, foreign policy or defense. They were forced into a situation against the will of the majority, and now have to compromise at every single corner on the smallest of issues. That is not democracy. The north's economy is largely dependent on the public sector, largely due to high corporation tax rates.

It's also about national identity. The nationalist population does not want to live under British rule. They feel that their cultural and national aspirations are not being protected. It's a quite simple concept.

The other side of that penny is the unionist community, what about them?

Is this not the same as being part of the European Union? And would they be that bothered about taxation ect if the cost of living and better living standards are seen in the north?

IMO national identity and culture is down to the individual and is a personal issue, it's none of the governements bussiness.

PatricaMcKay

kippy wrote: »

What is he to them - how many is "a lot"?

Martin Mc Guinness is on a record as referring to Republican Volunteers as traitors to the "Island of Ireland" (how I hate that phrase!), and no I dont support the Real IRA because I dont believe that romantic militarism got us anywhere in the 50s and I dont think it will get us anywhere now, however whatever they are they are not traitors. For him to say that flanked by the head of the paramilitaritary colonial milita on one side of him and Peter Robinson on the other was not the act of a Republican. Helping to administer British rule along side the likes of the DUP in the glorified county council that is Stormount is not the act of a Republican. What Marty he is is basically a Roman Catholic politician representing Roman Catholics interests in the sectarian context of an Imperialist insitution which is very far from being an Irish Republican. While many people might continue to vote for Provisional Sinn Fein for similar reasons people actually vote for the BNP over in England, i.e. to get jobs or flats for "their community" they have lost respect and real support in the Republican heartlands. The sad thing is that a real alternative has not arisen yet.

kippy

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Martin Mc Guinness is on a record as referring to Republican Volunteers as traitors to the "Island of Ireland" (how I hate that phrase!), and no I dont support the Real IRA because I dont believe that romantic militarism got us anywhere in the 50s and I dont think it will get us anywhere now, however whatever they are they are not traitors. For him to say that flanked by the head of the paramilitaritary colonial milita on one side of him and Peter Robinson on the other was not the act of a Republican. Helping to administer British rule along side the likes of the DUP in the glorified county council that is Stormount is not the act of a Republican. What Marty he is is basically a Roman Catholic politician representing Roman Catholics interests in the sectarian context of an Imperialist insitution which is very far from being an Irish Republican. While many people might continue to vote for Provisional Sinn Fein for similar reasons people actually vote for the BNP over in England, i.e. to get jobs or flats for "their community" they have lost respect and real support in the Republican heartlands. The sad thing is that a real alternative has not arisen yet.

So the you are not into democracy or the will of the majority by the sounds of it.

amacachi

Permabear wrote: »

This post had been deleted.

TBH I look forward to seeing how NI manages when the taps from London are closed off.

PatricaMcKay

kippy wrote: »

So the you are not into democracy or the will of the majority by the sounds of it.

The partition of Ireland had nothing to do with democracy, nor did the creation of the two failed states in Ireland have much to do with it either...But all had a lot to do with British guns. If you are referring the oh so wonderous GFA let me remind you that that has already been dumped and replaced by the St Andrew's agreement which no one voted for....And the GFA itself was pushed through with a lot of threats of violence, spin and downright lies all of things Im sure you also find incredibly democratic. Democracy should actually involve people making informed decisions without intimidation, so with the lying, distorting and ignoring media we have in Ireland, the least respect for civil liberties in the whole of the EU (you can be jailed for 8 years in a trail without a jury in the Free State on the hunch of a Garda that you are in an "illegal organization"....we have more political prisoners in this country per capita than anywhere else in Europe), the willingness of the state on both sides of the border to use violence against those deemed its enemies whether actual Republican Volunteers or just mammies concerned about nacro-business men messing up their areas...Im not sure we have much of a democracy. Nor those the "will of majority" actually really matter in Ireland...Its the will of bankers, securocrats, foreign multinationals and devil knows what else that matters here in reality.

The Waltzing Consumer

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

The partition of Ireland had nothing to do with democracy, nor did the creation of the two failed states in Ireland have much to do with it either...But all had a lot to do with British guns. If you are referring the oh so wonderous GFA let me remind you that that has already been dumped and replaced by the St Andrew's agreement which no one voted for....And the GFA itself was pushed through with a lot of threats of violence, spin and downright lies all of things Im sure you also find incredibly democratic. Democracy should actually involve people making informed decisions without intimidation, so with the lying, distorting and ignoring media we have in Ireland, the least respect for civil liberties in the whole of the EU (you can be jailed for 8 years in a trail without a jury in the Free State on the hunch of a Garda that you are in an "illegal organization"....we have more political prisoners in this country per capita than anywhere else in Europe), the willingness of the state on both sides of the border to use violence against those deemed its enemies whether actual Republican Volunteers or just mammies concerned about nacro-business men messing up their areas...Im not sure we have much of a democracy. Nor those the "will of majority" actually really matter in Ireland...Its the will of bankers, securocrats, foreign multinationals and devil knows what else that matters here in reality.

Quite simply, there is not one sentence here that has an ounce of accuracy, honesty or reflects reality. Sorry Patricia, but it is all rubbish really.

The Waltzing Consumer

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/100-conviction-rate-reported-for-terrorism-offences-120273.html

Life must be sweet in your little middle class bubble though....:D

Quite odd to throw some abuse in with your point I find the people who will throw the words "middle class" like an insult are near 100% upper middle class or come from very wealthy families. :P

And what exactly does that link have to do with your completely inaccurate post ? It would help your argument if you could link these things.

Thanks

kippy

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

The partition of Ireland had nothing to do with democracy, nor did the creation of the two failed states in Ireland have much to do with it either...But all had a lot to do with British guns. If you are referring the oh so wonderous GFA let me remind you that that has already been dumped and replaced by the St Andrew's agreement which no one voted for....And the GFA itself was pushed through with a lot of threats of violence, spin and downright lies all of things Im sure you also find incredibly democratic. Democracy should actually involve people making informed decisions without intimidation, so with the lying, distorting and ignoring media we have in Ireland, the least respect for civil liberties in the whole of the EU (you can be jailed for 8 years in a trail without a jury in the Free State on the hunch of a Garda that you are in an "illegal organization"....we have more political prisoners in this country per capita than anywhere else in Europe), the willingness of the state on both sides of the border to use violence against those deemed its enemies whether actual Republican Volunteers or just mammies concerned about nacro-business men messing up their areas...Im not sure we have much of a democracy. Nor those the "will of majority" actually really matter in Ireland...Its the will of bankers, securocrats, foreign multinationals and devil knows what else that matters here in reality.

So, what is everyone trying to hide - how have we been lied to?

In my opinion we've gone through a decade with very few civilian deaths at the hands of terrorist organisations - that to me is worth a lot more that than any rhetoric you spout.
"Political Prisoners" - Terrorists.

PatricaMcKay

kippy wrote: »

In my opinion we've gone through a decade with very few civilian deaths at the hands of terrorist organisations - that to me is worth a lot more that than any rhetoric you spout.
"Political Prisoners" - Terrorists.

If the only evidence that they belong to an organization which is different from actually having shot someone is that the hunch of a Garda how can you be sure if they are "terrorists"? How many of those interned are having been so because they were supposedly members of the INLA was on ceasefire for years before being recently disbanded, would they also count as "terrorists"? Also given the refusal of the Free State to protect working class communities in the 26 counties from drug gangs and the record of the Brits for protecting nationalist areas from Unionist violence, could it not be argued that the situation calls for some "terrorists" around the place?

xflyer

As opposed to the left wing proletarian fantasy bubble you live in!!!!!

Look Dannyboy83 hit the nail on the head a long time ago. NI is a welfare state supported by the British, no the English taxpayer. In large part of this is a legacy of the troubles, a victory of sorts for the PIRA.

We in the Republic cannot afford to absorb the North anymore. Not that we ever could even during the boom years. At partition it was worth having because so much of the industry concentrated there. The loss of that damaged the south badly. But it's gone now and the only reason to look for unification is emotional particularly since things have changed.

NI is in for a rough economic ride. The British in general are no longer happy to keep this legacy of empire. Many English would even like to offload the Scots.

The reality is that the North will have to become even closer to the Republic. Which in fact is happening. How it ends eventually is anybody's guess.

PatricaMcKay

kippy wrote: »

So, what is everyone trying to hide - how have we been lied to?

The media and state in Ireland ignore the abuse, exploitation and lying to of many, many people in this country in the workplace (many of whom are vunerable immigrants). They ignore issues like rape and domestic violence. They ignore the Free State police moving in against anyone trying to resist the control of drug gangs over certain areas. And when it comes to what is actually happening on the ground in the occupied north they are absolutely laughable. Things like the Shell give away and Nama though you are right are very much signs of a well functioning democracy.

kippy

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

, could it not be argued that the situation calls for some "terrorists" around the place?

NO





I am out of this thread - I've got as close to the level of arguing with a terrorist sympathiser as I wish to get.

The Waltzing Consumer

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

If the only evidence that they belong to an organization which is different from actually having shot someone is that the hunch of a Garda how can you be sure if they are "terrorists"?

It is more then the hunch of a Garda, and by pretending it is just a hunch of a Garda makes your argument ridiculous.

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

How many of those interned are having been so because they were supposedly members of the INLA was on ceasefire for years before being recently disbanded, would they also count as "terrorists"? Also given the refusal of the Free State to protect working class communities in the 26 counties from drug gangs and the record of the Brits for protecting nationalist areas from Unionist violence, could it not be argued that the situation calls for some "terrorists" around the place?

It seems you are defending the INLA in one sentence and then moaning about an imaginery state not protecting the "working class" from drug gangs in the next sentence. Anyone with a bit of knowledge and intelligence would see the absolute hypocrisy in this paragraph.

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

The media and state in Ireland ignore the abuse, exploitation and lying to of many, many people in this country in the workplace (many of whom are vunerable immigrants). They ignore issues like rape and domestic violence. They ignore the Free State police moving in against anyone trying to resist the control of drug gangs over certain areas. And when it comes to what is actually happening on the ground in the occupied north they are absolutely laughable. Things like the Shell give away and Nama though you are right are very much signs of a well functioning democracy.

Yes the media does surely ignore blah blah blah, it is amazing, it is even more amazing you reference the MEDIA who report on this when arguing your points. "The media ignore this, here is the article by the media about this to back this point up" :rolleyes:

Stop saying free state, it makes you look like some 100 year old civil war crank.

Wolfe Tone

It is more then the hunch of a Garda, and by pretending it is just a hunch of a Garda makes your argument ridiculous.

There are men in jail now simply on the word of police officers, and/or the Brit secretary of state. And its an absolute joke and a mockery of both the Irish and British "justice" system.

PatricaMcKay

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

It seems you are defending the INLA in one sentence and then moaning about an imaginery state not protecting the "working class" from drug gangs in the next sentence. Anyone with a bit of knowledge and intelligence would see the absolute hypocrisy in this paragraph.

Are you alleging that the Irish National Liberation Army was a drug gang? Do you have any evidence to back this up? The only INLA volunteers I can think who might possibly have been involved with drugs were those expelled and than went on the form the infamous IPLO. Can you name anyone involved with either the INLA or the IRSP who was convicted on drugs charges? Or do you have inside information on the workings of the underworld that I lack? If you do I hope you have gone to the police!

The Waltzing Consumer

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

There are men in jail now simply on the word of police officers, and/or the Brit secretary of state. And its an absolute joke and a mockery of both the Irish and British "justice" system.

Yeah, you ain't going to find many people complaining.

The Waltzing Consumer

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

Are you alleging that the Irish National Liberation Army was a drug gang? Do you have any evidence to back this up? The only INLA volunteers I can think who might possibly have been involved with drugs were those expelled and than went on the form the infamous IPLO. Can you name anyone involved with either the INLA or the IRSP who was convicted on drugs charges? Or do you have inside information on the workings of the underworld that I lack? If you do I hope you have gone to the police!

:rolleyes: Yeah, I can see why posters are dumping this thread after arguing with you. I think I will join them.

PatricaMcKay

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yeah, I can see why posters are dumping this thread after arguing with you. I think I will join them.

So you have no evidence of INLA volunteers or IRSP members being involved in the drugs trade?

Why make the accusation than?

Bloody Nipples

30% of the workforce of NI is employed in the public sector and the British government throws £5bn a year (or 20% of the entire NI economy) at it just to keep the place afloat. Why anyone would think it's a sound decision to get involved with an economic lame duck like that is beyond me, we're in a big enough of an economic shít storm as is.

southsiderosie

Patricia McKay, the kinds of statements you have made on this thread are exactly why many people in the south could live without a united Ireland.

Good luck building a socialist, anti-capitalist, anti-rule of law state that is also a beacon for investment and global talent and an engine of innovation, growth and job creation. :rolleyes:

KeithAFC

southsiderosie wrote: »

Patricia McKay, the kinds of statements you have made on this thread are exactly why many people in the south could live without a united Ireland.

Good luck building a socialist, anti-capitalist, anti-rule of law state that is also a beacon for investment and global talent and an engine of innovation, growth and job creation. :rolleyes:

Sums it up.

dan_d

In answer to the OP...Haven't a clue. The reality is we simply can't afford the North right now.The Brits are paying for it and to be honest, I myself am happy to let them keep paying for it.

cc4life

Bloody Nipples wrote: »

30% of the workforce of NI is employed in the public sector and the British government throws £5bn a year (or 20% of the entire NI economy) at it just to keep the place afloat. Why anyone would think it's a sound decision to get involved with an economic lame duck like that is beyond me, we're in a big enough of an economic shít storm as is.

Everything isnt about money

Tea drinker

shamrock55 wrote: »

because its ours

None of my family own anything up there. What do your family own up there that was taken from you?


And yeah everything is about money when you don't have it. Having said that the best reason to unite Ireland is if we could all build a better society together. There is no evidence this would happen if united. We are a limping target and NI is effectively down. Ultimately we are back to money again and the best time for this United thing is when you have plenty and can splash it around to boost morale.

p1akuw47h5r3it

cc4life wrote: »

Everything isnt about money

Well with the current economic situation in the Republic, it kindof is.

K-9

PatricaMcKay wrote: »

So you have no evidence of INLA volunteers or IRSP members being involved in the drugs trade?

Why make the accusation than?

It was known that they were at it in Dublin. Garda and journalist reports that you will not accept anyway, so it's pointless. Even if there were convictions, it'd probably be a frame up!