DogsUnleashed

Strum

Folks. Have you heard what the Coco are proposing now? This is the Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown CoCo but if it goes through then others will follow.
Bet you havn't read this anywhere in the media.

ALL Dogs on Leads at ALL times...on the Beach, Parks etc etc etc...:eek:
I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

This is a blanket 24 x 7 x 365 days ban on dogs being exercised off leads on ALL beaches and most parks in the County

In enacting such bye-laws it is apparent that those involved have little or no idea of the care and treatment of dogs. Any manual will advise that dogs need space to run, and to socialise for their physical and mental well being. Dogs exercised regularly are healthier and happier… as are their walkers. In these times of fitness awareness it seems ridiculous for the County Council to deprive people of such regimes.

Responsible dog owners would encourage proper monitoring of beaches to ensure anti-social behaviour by both dogs and their owners. No conscientious owner would like to feel responsible for a child going blind and accepts that cleaning up faeces is a serious and important health and safety issue. The few dog owners that give dog owners in general a bad name should be penalised as appropriate.

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

We will actively encourage the County Manager to enact sensible bye-laws that will benefit dogs, their owners and the county coffers


Please sign this petition and pass it on. Paste the link on your wall on facebook and ask EVERYBODY to sign it, thanks. WOOF!

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/dogs-unleashed/80

Victor

Ask for a dog park - a gated, enclosed area where dogs can run free off leash and do dog stuff.

Zapperzy

Strum wrote: »

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

I don't get this bit. We don't have any banned breeds to carefully monitor? Or are they saying they want to ban certain breeds. :mad:

Where did you originally hear about this?

Strum

Zapperzy, I quoted that from the petition site, and yes it's a bit vague to say the least whoever wrote it.

No, at the moment there are certain Breeds who must be kept on a lead at ALL times without exception...and some with Muzzles. I'll go look for the list...

trio

I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

A bit accusatory, no??

Zapperzy

Strum wrote: »

Zapperzy, I quoted that from the petition site, and yes it's a bit vague to say the least whoever wrote it.

No, at the moment there are certain Breeds who must be kept on a lead at ALL times without exception...and some with Muzzles. I'll go look for the list...

Oh I know about the restricted breeds list but I was just confused as to weather the petition was referring to an already present banned breeds list (which doesn't exist in the Republic of Ireland thankfully) or if they were suggesting banning certain breeds. If they were referring to an already present banned breeds list then it just shows you how uninformed they are! :rolleyes:

I would be interested to see where this originated from, time to do a bit of googling me thinks!

adser53

So these "dog lovers" are up in arms at the rights & needs of their dogs being taken away but are still advocating the enforcement of the RB list and the dogs on it that never had these "rights" to begin with?! So one rule for them and another for us?

God love them, having to put up with such ridiculous laws :rolleyes:

As for their remarks on banned & dangerous breeds....the term "clueless" springs to mind.

I'm not agreeing with the cocos decision, I just have a major problem with the hypocritical author of that petition.

I won't be signing any petition that endorses the RB laws in any way, shape or form

pitbull_fanatic

why is it unfair though?? the 10 dogs on the restricted breeds list have to be on leads and muzzles ALL the time. we dont get to let our dogs run freely and excircese as good as other dogs. its just making one law for all dogs instead of 10 breeds. dont get me wrong...i'd be the first person to stand up and say ban leads and muzzles in the morning (except for actual dangerous dogs that have a history of scrapping/biting). what i'm saying is that people with non-restriced breeds dont understand the hassle we go through and then the slightest bit of "all dogs on leads all the time" and theres panic...

adser53

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

What i'm saying is that people with non-restriced breeds dont understand the hassle we go through and then the slightest bit of "all dogs on leads all the time" and theres panic...

My point exactly

ISDW

OP, you could have had so many people's support until that nonsense about banned breeds. I didn't realise that dogs came with manuals either I'm all for fighting against stupid by laws, but when supposed dog lovers get this kind of stuff wrong, what hope is there?

Shanao

I really dont see what the panic is about? My dogs are on short leashes by my side with muzzles on when i walk because they're restricted breeds, yet people seem to think that they can let their bloody unleashed dogs come bounding up annoying my two who cant enjoy the freedom that they do. I'm sick of walking in the park and being harassed by off leash dogs whose owners clearly have no control over them at all!! Even better when they're dogs are also aggressive of course:rolleyes: Would these count as the dangerous dogs then? Doubtful
Sorry but this is what RB owners are dealing with every day so i have little to no pity for anyone affected by this.

hdowney

our coco put up signs all over a couple yrs ago saying dogs must be on leads at all times, but people still walk along the beach with their dogs off leads like they used to. i don't think the council enforce it too much tbh (in certain areas anyway. and i don't know if they have the manpower too).

pitbull_fanatic

they put up them signs to cover their asses. so if something happens, they have the sign up and people didnt adhere to it.

pitbull_fanatic

56 ignorant petition signers!! haha ya the coco is definatly going to listen to all 56 of ye. theres thousands of us voicing for RB list to be abolished and we cant do it. and thats only for 10 breeds. what makes you think 56 people will change their mind about ALL breeds. if ye get that law struck off, us RB owners want ye on our side to write a petition as well worded as that profesional petion ya got there!

Whispered

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

56 ignorant petition signers!! haha ya the coco is definatly going to listen to all 56 of ye.

Ignorant signers yeah? How ignorant of you!

I signed it and I'm an RB owner, a pretty fanatical RB supporter here in the forum too. Am I the only one who thinks that further restriction on all breeds is only going to further give excuses for the banning of certain breeds? I mean come on, if your average cutsey dog needs to be leashed do you think people will be happy with the similar rules for "the big dangerous" dogs? If they bring in such a law, it will further restrict us RB owners walking our dogs.

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

pitbull_fanatic

well think about it...they cant ban dogs because all dogs will be on leads and rb's will be muzzled so wheres the danger going to come into play?? i think its only right that if 10 breeds cant run fetch chase swim without hassle then all dogs shouldnt. dogs are dogs and all dogs should havve the same laws. we are all people but we dont have different laws due to skin colour or name or even social class. we have one law for all...well supposed to...so its only fair. signing this petition will make thinkgs worse for RB's in the end. garanteed.

Chinasea

Another law another policy – regardless of you agreeing or not with this new policy IT will never be enforced - maybe for the first day or so but that will be it. In the 40 years I have been out walking my dogs I have never ever seen anyone from the CoCo out and about enforcing any laws, bi laws, polices the whole shebang. I pay my dog licences because I do but in 40 years have never been asked to produce it. In my local park there are plenty of young adolesant boys with pitpulls doing whatever they like. When I see them I just go the other way cause I know for sure NOTING nor no law will be enforced. This is Ireland, laws galore, plenty of rich lawyers, polices galore plenty of policy makers, civil servants down in the town hall but that is exactly where they stay. Anyone can write a policy but enforcement is the missing link here.

I often walk my dogs along the promenade in Seapoint or Dun Laoghaire and some of the small parks around - There are NO Bins whatsoever – DLRD COCO get some bins - we don't need any more polices that will never be enforced - PUT SOME BLEEDING Bins around the place.

Your blowin in the wind little auld faded signs asking people to poop a scoop from the last purge down in the council offices speak volumes about exactly what is NOT happening. S~**e EVERYWHERE.

Whispered

pitbull_fanatic wrote: »

i think its only right that if 10 breeds cant run fetch chase swim without hassle then all dogs shouldnt. dogs are dogs and all dogs should havve the same laws.

Exactly, they should all have the same laws, so how can you justify not being opposed to this law, when you want it abolished for your own dog? Or is it a case of "well if I have to, you should have to too"?

It would be a huge step backwards for all dog owners to bring this restriction in.

How on earth will opposing a law banning ALL dogs from walking off lead make things worse for RB owners?

Think of it as a scale of stupidity. This law, in the eyes of the uneducated people who agree with BSL, will only serve to further justify BSL in my view.

Cherry Blossom

Whispered wrote: »

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

I won't sign it because the information contained in it is not correct, regardless of whether I support the restricted breeds act or not. I see absolutely no point in signing anything that is factually incorrect. If the OP agrees with the sentiment s/he would be best drafting a proper petition that makes sence. The people who signed may not be ignorant but the person who wrote it certainly is.

pitbull_fanatic

ok fair enoug i retract my statement of ignorant signers. but the author on the other hand...i still wont sign it. why should i sign it so that non-restriced breeds dont need leads but i still have to have muzzles and leads. in my area i'm the only person who muzzles my RB. my staffy was sick one day so i left it off them. i got the summons. still to this day people are walking their dogs with no leads and muzzles and nothing said. i'm sick **** of these stupid laws even though its not going to get enforced anyway. they have the same law in a park down here and people here dont have a lead between the lot of them.

Whispered

adrenalinjunkie wrote: »

I won't sign it because the information contained in it is not correct,

A perfectly reasonable reason not to sign.

adser53

Whispered wrote: »

Ignorant signers yeah? How ignorant of you!

I signed it and I'm an RB owner, a pretty fanatical RB supporter here in the forum too. Am I the only one who thinks that further restriction on all breeds is only going to further give excuses for the banning of certain breeds? I mean come on, if your average cutsey dog needs to be leashed do you think people will be happy with the similar rules for "the big dangerous" dogs? If they bring in such a law, it will further restrict us RB owners walking our dogs.

Two wrongs don't make a right, to refuse to sign a petition because you own an RB dog is petty as far as I'm concerned. It's wrong to have to have our beloved RB dogs leashed all the time, it's an ignorant law made by ignorant people. It's just as ignorant to expect other owners to do it as well. It shouldn't be a case of them and us. We're all dog owners and we all want what is best for our dog.

People are entitled to their opinion, to call them ignorant with no idea why they signed is just rude.

You all know I'm pretty fanatical about RBs too and I'm a huge advocate of a single set of laws to govern all dogs. Now, I think its wrong for the coco to bring in this law, no arguement there. BUT... I refuse to sign it for the simple reason that it proposes enforcing the RB laws as long as they can continue to let their dogs off. To me that stinks and they are the ones saying its wrong to punish the good owners for the actions of the few bad ones. They're essentially saying "If we police the dangerous dogs, can the rest of us still let our dogs off?"

I do agree with the initial principal of the petition and I would've signed it instantly until RBs were mentioned. I just don't see how any RB owner could agree with the "terms" relevant to our breeds contained in that petition

Whispered

In fairness it says "banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs" I took that to mean aggressive or problem dogs regardless of breed. Yes, pure ignorance to even use the term banned breeds of course.

I fully understand why people would not want to sign it, but to be called ignorant for signing annoyed me.

PeakOutput

has anyone in this forum EVER been fined/prosecuted for breaking a bye law relating to their pet? or even a bye law of any type?

CL32

I think Pitbull Fanatic got a summons and large fine for not having either his Staffie or Pitbull muzzled.

adser53

Whispered wrote: »

In fairness it says "banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs" I took that to mean aggressive or problem dogs regardless of breed. Yes, pure ignorance to even use the term banned breeds of course.

I fully understand why people would not want to sign it, but to be called ignorant for signing annoyed me.

I think aggressive or dangerous dogs being leashed at all times goes without saying but this petition says banned breeds. Despite the ignorance of that remark, it does refer to restricted breeds and it annoyed me that policing RBs is being used as a bargaining chip so that they can continue to let their dogs off.
I'll not call someone ignorant for signing the petition when they agree with the basic principal of it but to me, the author is ignorant for bringing "banned breeds" into it in the first place

DUBACC

Strum wrote: »

Folks. Have you heard what the Coco are proposing now? This is the Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown CoCo but if it goes through then others will follow.
Bet you havn't read this anywhere in the media.

ALL Dogs on Leads at ALL times...on the Beach, Parks etc etc etc...:eek:
I know you dog haters out there will be saying Good, BUT it's NOT good at all. Sorry.

This is a blanket 24 x 7 x 365 days ban on dogs being exercised off leads on ALL beaches and most parks in the County

In enacting such bye-laws it is apparent that those involved have little or no idea of the care and treatment of dogs. Any manual will advise that dogs need space to run, and to socialise for their physical and mental well being. Dogs exercised regularly are healthier and happier… as are their walkers. In these times of fitness awareness it seems ridiculous for the County Council to deprive people of such regimes.

Responsible dog owners would encourage proper monitoring of beaches to ensure anti-social behaviour by both dogs and their owners. No conscientious owner would like to feel responsible for a child going blind and accepts that cleaning up faeces is a serious and important health and safety issue. The few dog owners that give dog owners in general a bad name should be penalised as appropriate.

Dog walkers would also like to see banned breeds or otherwise dangerous dogs carefully monitored and any offenders properly prosecuted as again this can be a danger to individuals as well as other dogs. But, as most dog owners will acknowledge, problems relating to dogs in open spaces, such as the beaches where they can run free and socialise, are very rare.

We will actively encourage the County Manager to enact sensible bye-laws that will benefit dogs, their owners and the county coffers


Please sign this petition and pass it on. Paste the link on your wall on facebook and ask EVERYBODY to sign it, thanks. WOOF!

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/dogs-unleashed/80

Must admit i really hope this is brought in. I despise all dogs - some of their owners are the worst kind of ignorant people when asked to control their dogs. In the park near to where i live, i have been verbally abused when asking politely that they control their dogs as one of two have leapt up on my wife, who is 8 months pregnant. :mad:

In saying that, the majority are courteous and respectful of the fact that both my wife and I are nervous of dogs and call their dogs when we ask. There is an area in our local park for owners to let their dogs run free and i think this is a great idea and one which must run in tandem to any ban on letting dogs off their leash in a public place. Dogs need space to run and a place populated by walkers is not it.

Hellrazer

Ive removed the last 4 posts.

Can users please stop responding to trolls and just report the post?

are you serious

DUBACC wrote: »

Must admit i really hope this is brought in. I despise all dogs - some of their owners are the worst kind of ignorant people when asked to control their dogs. In the park near to where i live, i have been verbally abused when asking politely that they control their dogs as one of two have leapt up on my wife, who is 8 months pregnant. :mad:

In saying that, the majority are courteous and respectful of the fact that both my wife and I are nervous of dogs and call their dogs when we ask. There is an area in our local park for owners to let their dogs run free and i think this is a great idea and one which must run in tandem to any ban on letting dogs off their leash in a public place. Dogs need space to run and a place populated by walkers is not it.

Gotta love your attitude DUBACC, although you do hate dogs you can still appreciate that there are others out there who dont.

Discodog

DUBACC wrote: »

both my wife and I are nervous of dogs

Have you ever considered getting to know dogs better ?. Going through life being nervous of dogs is a nightmare, especially in Ireland. My neighbours & their kids were originally nervous of my dogs. Now they welcome them in their garden & house. Their children have learnt how to communicate with & understand a dog which will be good for the future - it should be taught in primary school.

Chances

I've just signed the petition. I felt sick this weekend when I went to walk the dog in the nearby woods and noticed the newly placed KEEP DOGS ON LEASH signs everywhere. My dog and I love the woods. I feel I've been slapped in the face and denied the pleasure of a local amenity. We walk there on days when the rain is pouring down and there isn't another human being to be seen, as well as on the good days when half the town remembers the place. Anyway, I didn't put him on the lead. I let him enjoy his last walk in the woods, leadfree. There is no point bringing him there leashed. It would be like bringing a seven year old to an adventure park and expecting him to sit quietly by your side. Or as I remarked to a friend this evening, it would be like showing him the walk, but not letting him do the walk.
He is a very energetic (likes to run but is not bouncy,) good mannered, border collie by the way, and has played his part as an ambassador for all dogs by quietly receiving the attention of dog crazy children on some occasions, and on others, allowing parents with frightened children to engage in a little hands on therapy.
I am planning on writing a polite letter to Coillte, expressing my beliefs that while dogs should be under control, they need not necessarily be leashed. Until then I will walk him on the beach, where he is still entitled to have a good gallop. He’s OK about the beach. It’s an ok walk as far as he’s concerned, but he adores the woods which have been taken away from him now. I am beyond fed up now. I really enjoyed the wood for my own sake but also for his, as the enjoyment he got out of it really fed into mine.
I feel for the people on the banned dogs list. Until this happened to me, I must confess I hadn’t given a lot of thought to their plight. And, I suppose as anecdotal evidence that a list of banned breeds is not the solution to the problem, the worst dog I have ever encountered in the woods was a Golden Retriever. Terrifying! Unleashed, aggressive, possibly insane, and completely out of control. However I’ve also met teenagers there who fit the same general description on one or two occasions and I’m not asking for a blanket ban on them. Most teenagers, like most dogs, are pretty decent.
While I can understand and appreciate that some people can be frightened of them, dogs bring so much joy and well being to so many, and their needs for exercise and exploration cannot be met by leashed walks. Anyway, good luck with getting the required amount for your petition. I intend to ask around and see whether there is sufficient support for one in my area.