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Holidays on social welfare

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  • 19-03-2011 5:02pm
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    Noo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭


    Hi

    I know this has probably been mentioned a lot but i'm having trouble finding it. Anyways I have a holiday booked for this year, I know you are allowed out of the country for 12 payment days (so 2 weeks) and collect your payment when you get back but i'm going for 2 and a half weeks. Are they very strict on this as its only a couple of extra days but it means i miss 3 payments? Or should I put down for 2 weeks and collect the other payment early/late (i'm very wary of this)?

    Appreciate any thoughts!
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    eastbono
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    Noo wrote: »
    Hi

    I know this has probably been mentioned a lot but i'm having trouble finding it. Anyways I have a holiday booked for this year, I know you are allowed out of the country for 12 payment days (so 2 weeks) and collect your payment when you get back but i'm going for 2 and a half weeks. Are they very strict on this as its only a couple of extra days but it means i miss 3 payments? Or should I put down for 2 weeks and collect the other payment early/late (i'm very wary of this)?

    Appreciate any thoughts!

    When applying you put down the dates you are going for. You are only entitled to payment for 12 days holidays and days taken over 12 days will not be paid. If you only put down 2 weeks you will be committing fraud.


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    How can a person on welfare afford to go on a 2.5 week holiday?


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    tenchi-fan
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    Noo wrote: »
    should I put down for 2 weeks and collect the other payment early/late (i'm very wary of this)?
    You should be wary. You will not be seeking for work during this time but you are planning on claiming benefits. That's fraud.
    Noo wrote: »
    Appreciate any thoughts!

    I think you should worry less about long holidays and try harder to find a job.


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    Chaotic_Forces
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    How can a person on welfare afford to go on a 2.5 week holiday?

    Who the Hell do you think you are? There have been numerous threads on this. Firstly, a holiday can be free or cost less than 50 euro. For all you know it's from his savings or a friend is paying for it or he'll be staying with family.

    So shush in future, hmm?


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    Chaotic_Forces wrote: »
    Who the Hell do you think you are? There have been numerous threads on this. Firstly, a holiday can be free or cost less than 50 euro. For all you know it's from his savings or a friend is paying for it or he'll be staying with family.

    So shush in future, hmm?


    I'm an Irish citizen worrying about welfare fraud is all. If he has savings then he should not be scrounging off the state. Welfare payments are there for social protection to offer a person a minimum level of living not be to swanning off on holidays.


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    Chaotic_Forces
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    I'm an Irish citizen worrying about welfare fraud is all. If he has savings then he should not be scrounging off the state. Welfare payments are there for social protection to offer a person a minimum level of living not be to swanning off on holidays.

    Please shut up. You have no idea what you're on about, you really don't.

    You're allowed to have savings. If he was committing fraud do you really think he'd be so worried as to ask if he would committ FURTHER fraud? NO, he wouldn't have.

    Oh but wait... he's automatically scrounging if he has savings. I have 12 euro of savings; I'm a scrounger, right?


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    erictheviking1
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    I'm an Irish citizen worrying about welfare fraud is all. If he has savings then he should not be scrounging off the state. Welfare payments are there for social protection to offer a person a minimum level of living not be to swanning off on holidays.
    For all you know he/she may have recently lost their job. Once they have enugh PRSI at class A1 paid they are entitled to JSB.


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    eastbono
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭eastbono


    tenchi-fan wrote: »
    You should be wary. You will not be seeking for work during this time but you are planning on claiming benefits. That's fraud.

    People on sw payments are allowed take 12 days holidays with payment.


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    Chaotic_Forces wrote: »
    Please shut up. You have no idea what you're on about, you really don't.

    You're allowed to have savings. If he was committing fraud do you really think he'd be so worried as to ask if he would committ FURTHER fraud? NO, he wouldn't have.

    Oh but wait... he's automatically scrounging if he has savings. I have 12 euro of savings; I'm a scrounger, right?


    ----Snip


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    Chaotic_Forces
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    I would not be surprised if he was going to commit fraud. He is already advocating it in his OP. Now going on holidays courtesy of the tax payer is something I wont abide by.

    Actually, they're trying to see if they go on the holiday without committing fraud. But good for you! You think we're all scrum on the dole!


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    Royal Irish
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    I would not be surprised if he was going to commit fraud. He is already advocating it in his OP. Now going on holidays courtesy of the tax payer is something I wont abide by.

    How do you know it is courtesy of the tax payer? He might well be paying out every cent of his welfare in bills, and the holiday might well have been paid for by someone else.

    If you think he is a scrounger and wouldnt want him on the dole, using up "your taxes", do you really think that if this guy and 100,000 other people go off the dole next week, that the current Irish government are going to lower your taxes?

    To the OP, you need to go into your social welfare office no later than 2 weeks before departure and fill out a UP30 form. You will lose one weeks payment by going for 2.5 weeks.


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    Chaotic_Forces wrote: »
    Actually, they're trying to see if they go on the holiday without committing fraud. But good for you! You think we're all scrum on the dole!


    No I dont think your all scum on the dole. However when a lad on the dole asks about going on a 2.5 week foreign holiday when most people I know with full time good jobs not even contemplating this you begin to wonder.


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    Chaotic_Forces
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    No I dont think your all scum on the dole. However when a lad on the dole asks about going on a 2.5 week foreign holiday when most people I know with full time good jobs not even contemplating this you begin to wonder.

    Here's the fun facts: He has it booked, not in the process of booking it. IT could have been paid of a while ago. He obviously had some sort of a job to be able to pay for it.

    So yeah... I wonder who the real bad guy is here, the guy that wants to go on holiday and had it book for this year or the guy who claims he's frauding the state?


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    Chaotic_Forces wrote: »
    Here's the fun facts: He has it booked, not in the process of booking it. IT could have been paid of a while ago. He obviously had some sort of a job to be able to pay for it.

    So yeah... I wonder who the real bad guy is here, the guy that wants to go on holiday and had it book for this year or the guy who claims he's frauding the state?


    You were giving out to me for making assumptions then you are making them yourself. Yes i'm a bad guy for wondering how a guy on benefits can afford a 2.5 week foreign holiday.


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    eastbono
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭eastbono


    "To the OP, you need to go into your social welfare office no later than 2 weeks before departure and fill out a UP30 form. You will lose one weeks payment by going for 2.5 weeks."

    OP will not lose one weeks payment OP will lose however many days over the 12 days he/she will be on holidays for.


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    mp22
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    Lets keep this civil and helpful !!


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    Chaotic_Forces
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You were giving out to me for making assumptions then you are making them yourself. Yes i'm a bad guy for wondering how a guy on benefits can afford a 2.5 week foreign holiday.

    Do you have any proof or that your "feelings" that this guy did not book it, pay it off, saved up and then lost his job? If you don't, stop assuming.


    mp22 wrote: »
    Lets keep this civil and helpful !!

    Aw, fine. :P

    Anyway, OP, why not just go down and explain it to them. IF you honestly can't get out of the holiday, you might (hopefully) just lose two day's payments.


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    Jarren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Jarren


    Noo wrote: »
    Hi

    I know this has probably been mentioned a lot but i'm having trouble finding it. Anyways I have a holiday booked for this year, I know you are allowed out of the country for 12 payment days (so 2 weeks) and collect your payment when you get back but i'm going for 2 and a half weeks. Are they very strict on this as its only a couple of extra days but it means i miss 3 payments? Or should I put down for 2 weeks and collect the other payment early/late (i'm very wary of this)?

    Appreciate any thoughts!


    If you intend going on holidays abroad, you should inform the Local Office two weeks in advance of your departure and complete form UP 30. All holiday payments will be made retrospectively when you return. If you go on holiday for longer than two weeks, you may be paid in respect of the first two weeks, but will not receive payment for any period abroad in excess of this.

    http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbfaq.aspx#q22

    case closed:cool:


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    #20
    Noo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Noo


    OP here. Firstly, I've no intention of committing fraud thats why I was asking so I wouldnt get myself in trouble. Secondly, I didnt realise you could go for longer than 2 weeks but only get the 12 days pay (thats what i came here to find out), i think i could handle that. And thirdly, to get rid of the speculation, I am going for a 2.5 week holiday to stay with family, therefore ive no accommodation expenses, and the flights are much cheaper if i go a couple of days earlier than intended thats why its a 2.5 week holiday.


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    #21
    Noo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Noo


    Also...although completely unrelated, I'm on a FAS work placement programme, I work 9-5.30 mon-fri for no pay, my only income is social welfare but I am desperate for experience in my field to improve my future job chances, so working for 9 months straight with no pay can be tough on the old moral so I decided to find myself the cheapest holiday possible and visit some family. If the cheapest option is 2.5 weeks then so be it, dont judge me.

    Also thanks to those giving me the benefit of the doubt that im not trying to sponge off the state


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    Chaotic_Forces
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    Noo wrote: »
    Also...although completely unrelated, I'm on a FAS work placement programme, I work 9-5.30 mon-fri for no pay, my only income is social welfare but I am desperate for experience in my field to improve my future job chances, so working for 9 months straight with no pay can be tough on the old moral so I decided to find myself the cheapest holiday possible and visit some family. If the cheapest option is 2.5 weeks then so be it, dont judge me.

    I dunno how the WWP would affect it. It sounds like it would be between you and the employeer. Best go ask your social welfare for certain.

    Also, don't listen to anyone who says you shouldn't be going on a holiday. We're all entitled to them. :)


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    Sugarfree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Sugarfree


    Noo wrote: »
    Also...although completely unrelated, I'm on a FAS work placement programme, I work 9-5.30 mon-fri for no pay, my only income is social welfare but I am desperate for experience in my field to improve my future job chances, so working for 9 months straight with no pay can be tough on the old moral so I decided to find myself the cheapest holiday possible and visit some family. If the cheapest option is 2.5 weeks then so be it, dont judge me.

    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.


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    faw1tytowers
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    How can a person on welfare afford to go on a 2.5 week holiday?

    I really cant believe you asked that question. If it was even a question. Go put your head back in the sand!


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    faw1tytowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭faw1tytowers


    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.

    Who the hell do you think you are? Do you think he wants to be on the dole working or nothing. OP I wouldnt bother answering such small minded comments.


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    faw1tytowers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 486 ✭✭faw1tytowers


    I had to go to the UK for my granmothers funeral a few years ago. I managed to get a lift with others via the ferry with other family and so it cost me nothing. However I did stay almost 3 weeks as I also returned with the same family. I called the CWO who was fine with that and I was paid what i missed when I returned.


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    theavenger
    Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭theavenger


    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.

    What a mong, sorry I mean troll


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    MANUTD99
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.

    Have you contributed more to the state than Noo to the state..If unsure you should keep quiet


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    partyatmygaff
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    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.
    The stench of smugness coming off this post is overwhelming.


    At least he's trying to better himself to improve his chances of getting a job. He paid PRSI and tax for years and he's entitled to SW while he searches for a job. There's no need to jump up on your high horse and berate people about it.


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    Chaotic_Forces
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Chaotic_Forces


    Sugarfree wrote: »
    You are getting paid. It was your choice to go on this scheme, if you dont like it why dont you emigrate? or do you plan to be a burden on the state for another while.

    Actually... no. All that changes is he works for slave labour and doesn't sign on.

    Look, just shut up. You honestly are one of the most insensitive, high-horsed, lunatics I have ever seen on this site. I understand the hate against the scroungers but to actually think that the WWP is a good thing is just insane.

    Do you know he would have getting the same amount of money for not going on the WWP?

    No, you assume it's a job, don't you. You assume it's the same job that you have but it isn't.

    While I can't stand the fact the OP chooses to go on one of those programmes, you have to admit, you're well beneath him on the ladder.


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    mp22
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 6,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭mp22


    Ok people warnings were not heeded.


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