Am I the only one who doesn't see the appeal in drunken tarts* in the pub?

Chaotic_Forces

Firstly, I do actually mean tarts, as in dolled up, fake tanned girls that get drunk as possible and throw themselves at men.
I don't mean the girls that are just drunk and whatnot.

Anyway, being in my early 20s I never once seen the appeal of it. I get it when a nice girl walks in and we're all basically "she's a looker" but... what's the appeal with one who can barely stand or talk? I mean yeah sure, I'm not the best fella to go talking to girls and I'm a bit shy but I've always rather approach a girl that I assume will be able to speak at the end of the night in English and not drunken English.

On the other hand, I can't name a single fella that I know or met that is like me (apart from anyone who doesn't drink). TBH, if I know a girl is fairly buckled, I'm instantly unattracted to her.

What does everyone else think?

Small edit to make it clear: A poster found my OP to be a tad unclear. What I mean is girls who do not just "get drunk" but actually are tarts and as such, I believe part of being a tart (from my own experience in pubs and clubs) is that they aim to get drunk as possible, rather than just end up drunk from drinking.

cantdecide

I'm with you. I'm as hot blooded as any other bloke but I don't see the appeal in the slightest. I don't like drunkem attention seekers, male or female.

the drifter

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

TBH, if I know a girl is fairly buckled, I'm instantly unattracted to her.

+1 major turn off

TouchingVirus

You start off talking about tarts, girls plastered with makeup, short skirts, out for the ride and drunk off their heads but then the final question is rather general about drunk women - not sure what to answer but here goes.

I refused to have sex with a girl who was hammered even when she started biting my ear teasing me, put her hand down my trousers and started whispering into my ear. I was drunk at the time myself, but I've done it sober too. I don't see the appeal myself either, not when they're so drunk they can barely talk.

There's nothing wrong with a little drink to lighten the mood and lower a few inhibitions but like you said, there is a point where it's a turnoff.

All of that being said, I'm sure I've made quite the fool of myself wandering around absolutely rotten drunk trying to chat to women. It works both ways, maybe even more for women than men.

Mrmoe

Beer goggles change everything. If you look at it from the persepctive that you are sober or don't drink then very drunk people are not really an attractive or welcoming sight. However, if you are equally as inebriated then any disgust you might have disappears quickly. TBH I don't see the type of girl you mention around too often anyway, very rarely indeed.

Chaotic_Forces

Firstly TouchingVirus, I cleared up the OP a bit, if it's still unclear, let me know.

Mrmoe wrote: »

Beer goggles change everything. If you look at it from the persepctive that you are sober or don't drink then very drunk people are not really an attractive or welcoming sight. However, if you are equally as inebriated then any disgust you might have disappears quickly. TBH I don't see the type of girl you mention around too often anyway, very rarely indeed.

It could be an age thing or just really a club thing. Living in Dublin City I see it a lot at certain places. But I can also name a few places were these type of girls will not be at all.

While a bit of drink to lighten the mood is fine, I've often found myself putting these girls on the same level as guys who go out to get as drunk as possible and go on the "pull" while hammered.

Possiblely another topic but Mrmoe raised a point that is interesting to me. I get drunk and am somewhat more cautious of certain girls I liked the look of when I'm sober.

Nevertheless, it's good to know I'm not the only guy like this.

SugarHigh

I don't really see the problem with people who do themselves up and just aim to get drunk. It seems your only argument against them is snobbery which is fair enough I suppose. I think there are nights when they're the perfect type of girl when you just want to get trashed have a laugh and maybe score at the end of the night.

Chaotic_Forces

SugarHigh wrote: »

I don't really see the problem with people who do themselves up and just aim to get drunk. It seems your only argument against them is snobbery which is fair enough I suppose. I think there are nights when they're the perfect type of girl when you just want to get trashed have a laugh and maybe score at the end of the night.

I suppose it is snobbery but... Imagine if you have a girlfriend and the story of how you met is "she looked like Paris Hilton, drunk as could be, there I saw her, with her tongue down someone's mouth, her boobs on display for all and a skirt hitched so high I didn't even know she wore one".

That's the type of girl I meant. I don't care if a girl gets dolled up (we spend a while getting ourselves decent too) but I was just saying what I think.

You really think it sounds like snobbery?

SugarHigh

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

While a bit of drink to lighten the mood is fine, I've often found myself putting these girls on the same level as guys who go out to get as drunk as possible and go on the "pull" while hammered.

I think they are obviously on the same level. I'm not quite sure what the problem is though.

SugarHigh

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

I suppose it is snobbery but... Imagine if you have a girlfriend and the story of how you met is "she looked like Paris Hilton, drunk as could be, there I saw her, with her tongue down someone's mouth, her boobs on display for all and a skirt hitched so high I didn't even know she wore one".

That's the type of girl I meant. I don't care if a girl gets dolled up (we spend a while getting ourselves decent too) but I was just saying what I think.

You really think it sounds like snobbery?

I don't think they are going out to nightclubs looking for relationships but if that is how they met then so what?

I think it sounds snobbery because you don't seem to be able to point out why it's wrong, it's simply a different way of enjoying the night if you don't like it fine but labeling them tarts is a bit much. They could easily label you up tight and dull.

Edit: I'm not saying you are uptight and dulll btw I'm just saying you have different preferences but your preferences aren't any better or worse than theirs.

drunkmonkey

TouchingVirus wrote: »

I refused to have sex with a girl who was hammered even when she started biting my ear teasing me, put her hand down my trousers and started whispering into my ear. I was drunk at the time myself

You missed a wonderful opportunity.

Raekwon

Yeah it's a real turn off for me personally, especially if one of the is attracted to you and thinks she is being hilarious acting like a total muppet trying to 'woo' you while her friends drunkly encourage her from the sidelines with their high pitched screeches. I know some blokes act like idiots when drunkenly trying to chat up women but at least the vast majority can take a f**king hint and not have a hissy fit when politely told to jog on.

Booze eh!

Galvasean

Something strangely unattractive about someone who may vomit on you at any given second...

petebricquette

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. They hold no sway over me but they are 100% guaranteed to have plenty of guys fawning all over them as the night wears on.

SugarHigh

Raekwon wrote: »

Yeah it's a real turn off for me personally, especially if one of the is attracted to you and thinks she is being hilarious acting like a total muppet trying to 'woo' you while her friends drunkly encourage her from the sidelines with their high pitched screeches. I know some blokes act like idiots when drunkenly trying to chat up women but at least the vast majority can take a f**king hint and not have a hissy fit when politely told to jog on.

Booze eh!

Ya reckon?

Raekwon

SugarHigh wrote: »

Ya reckon?

Probably not actually

But women seem to come off better either way so it doesn't really matter anyway.

TouchingVirus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You missed a wonderful opportunity.

I didn't. I got to look at that gift horse again, on a night where much less alcohol was imbibed In my mind the first night would have almost been tantamount to rape, she was properly out of it.

@OP: Thanks for clearing it up, the question is clearer now that you've described the particular woman you're talking about. I would still find it a complete turnoff if they were so drunk they couldn't stand, have a conversation or have a good time in the sack - that goes for all women though, tarts or not. I'm not in a position to judge people with regards to drinking or pulling habits, even those who aim to go out and get locked first and pull later

Vicxas

A girl who can barely speak or stand is not attractive

PK2008

The drunker the better

strobe

Wouldn't be my cup of tea but yes I can obviously see the appeal. They tend to be as easy as prostitutes but they don't charge anything. No offence to any drunken tarts reading.

Otis Driftwood

PK2008 wrote: »

The drunker the better

You've been warned before about making AH type comments here.If you cant be bothered to add anything even remotely constructive your access will be removed from this forum.Cheers.

um7y1h83ge06nx

The whole tarts thing is pretty subjective so I'll focus on the drunkenness.

Yeah, it's never a turn on. I know some guys who will deliberately attempt to get women drunk in order to help things along. I have no interest in scoring a girl who is drunk of her own accord or has been plied with drink by someone else.

Naturally enough by the end of a full night out most people are a little tipsy, but once they're not visibly tipsy (staggering, slurring) it's fine in my book. Very few are completely sober especially in clubs.

From my point of view, whenever I get smashed I have a handy in-built safety mechanism where I become totally not interested in women. Last time it happened me was on St. Patrick's Day. Come 12 or 1 in the morning I had no interest in talking to women, too much effort. I must admit I wasn't always that sensible though and probably was a "drunken Romeo" with predictable poor results in my younger days.

Otis Driftwood

In fairness,all people,whether male or female,that are completly soused are best avoided.

Dravokivich

Otis Driftwood wrote: »

In fairness,all people,whether male or female,that are completly soused are best avoided.

Yeah... I was thinking along the lines of that while reading the OP...

Some blokes won't like drunk / loud women the same way some women won't like drunk / loud blokes.

helimachoptor

As echoed by previous posters. There comes a pint when the drunkeness goes to the next level and that person instantly becomes unattractive.
Thankfully i've never experienced with any partners. But theres been a few times I've been out and been interested in girls and an hour or 2 later they can barely stand up and its very unattractive.

Im sure its the same for girls aswell though.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Its bizarre being in another european country seeing how different people dress compared to the British and Irish Isles.

Over here women wears fitted jeans and less slutty tops, in Ireland nearly every girl 18-24 wears a miniskirt and a string top.

Men in Ireland seem to dress up more too. Guys all seem to wear shoes and shirts but in Europe wearing runners and t-shirt is much more normal.

strobe

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Men in Ireland seem to dress up more too. Guys all seem to wear shoes and shirts but in Europe wearing runners and t-shirt is much more normal.

Good luck trying to get into a club here in runners and a t-shirt. lol. It's not necessarily by choice we all go out looking like we are coming from 'casual' Friday at the office.

Otis Driftwood

Jaysus,I havnt worn runners out in god knows how many years and its completly by choice.IMO runners in a night club look fackin horrendous.

grenache

I find neither tarts nor drunk girls attractive. In Ireland one usually comes with the other.

I prefer my girls to have a bit of class and self respect.

tallaghtmick

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

fake tanned girls that get drunk as possible and throw themselves at men.QUOTE]

what kind of sci-fi do you watch women throwing themselves at men pfffftt:pac: forever alone

TheUsual

Flirty-drunk on a girl is ok.

Not being able to stand up or talk is not cool. People might think you put some pills in her drink or something.
You can also earn brownie points with her less-drunk friends by picking her up off the floor every 10 minutes.

Bottle_of_Smoke

strobe wrote: »

Good luck trying to get into a club here in runners and a t-shirt. lol. It's not necessarily by choice we all go out looking like we are coming from 'casual' Friday at the office.

True its a bit of a chicken and egg scenario, well hopefully places that permit normal clothes will be more successful and the rest will follow suit

CDfm

OP aren't you moralising a bit and it is not a bad thing.

Back in the day I dated someone like that and hated the unpredicability and drama.She was ditzy sober too. A girl may be pretty hot but the sloppy part of it may put you off.

I imagine what you are thinking deep down is if she was like this all the time you would have an awful time of it and you would probably be right.

Some people go out occassionally and get buckled and its not a bad thing either and some people have a low tolerence for booze.

If someone does it all the time and their behavior is bad you are not going to have much of a relationship.

And if the person is fun and tarts up in string tops and mini skirts cos she has a great figure -what of it.

If you are looking for a different type of girl maybe you should not look in nightclubs.

yawha

I'm 22 and have never, ever been refused from a club for not wearing proper attire. I generally go out wearing skate shoes, jeans, tshirt and either a jumper or sometimes a shirt over my tshirt.

I guess more student-y nights might be less strict on dress codes, but you'd think I'd have encountered it once or twice in 5 years of going out...

Where are all these clubs with strict door policies?

Galvasean

yawha wrote: »

I'm 22 and have never, ever been refused from a club for not wearing proper attire. I generally go out wearing skate shoes, jeans, tshirt and either a jumper or sometimes a shirt over my tshirt.

I guess more student-y nights might be less strict on dress codes, but you'd think I'd have encountered it once or twice in 5 years of going out...

Where are all these clubs with strict door policies?

Bit of topic, but I have often hear 'this club has a strict door policy etc.' and then never had any bother getting in. I generally dress similarly to the way you described. I think these policies are more a back up/excuse for bouncers to refuse entry to people they don't like the look of.

Logical Fallacy

Galvasean wrote: »

Bit of topic, but I have often hear 'this club has a strict door policy etc.' and then never had any bother getting in. I generally dress similarly to the way you described. I think these policies are more a back up/excuse for bouncers to refuse entry to people they don't like the look of.

Of course they are, things like dress code, 21's only etc are basically filters that can be used to stop people coming in. When i was a doorman i tended to just take an honest route and stop people who were drunk, trouble makers or clearly off their face on drugs. The thing is, i was always honest about it, i would tell people exactly why they were not getting in and that would normally piss them off more....so it's basically a no win situation.

At the end of the day though, house rules enforcement is normally at the behest of the manager, i worked in a few places that were very strict about the dress code...it was my job to enforce it so enforce it i did.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Of course they are, things like dress code, 21's only etc are basically filters that can be used to stop people coming in. When i was a doorman i tended to just take an honest route and stop people who were drunk, trouble makers or clearly off their face on drugs. The thing is, i was always honest about it, i would tell people exactly why they were not getting in and that would normally piss them off more....so it's basically a no win situation.

Really, people got more annoyed at being told they were too drunk than "not tonight" ?

How did they react when you said they were trouble makers?

Logical Fallacy

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Really, people got more annoyed at being told they were too drunk than "not tonight" ?

How did they react when you said they were trouble makers?

Yes, i used the "not tonight" thing to start sometimes, it's really the most effective way of letting someone know they are not coming in on the night in question but entry in the future is still an option...i would then offer them the judgement call i had made as to why they were not getting in and reiterate that this was just tonight, come back another time in the correct attire, less drunk or what have you and there would be no issue.

In my experience there is no more self deluded and righteous person than the drunk who wants more booze. Telling someone they are too drunk would normally get you a lecture in the following subjects

A) How sober the person actually is mate....sober as a ****ing thing...a wossname....Judge. A ****ing JUDGE....APL....i mean...PAL. Completely ****ing sober so don't judge me for being drunk when i'm sober as a judge.

How the person in question can handle their booze and is only falling over because it's a new dance everyone is doing...and can drink 10 times, no 100 time more than they drank tonight and just wants another pint you ****ing knuckle dragging wanker, Who the **** are YOU...to tell ME...that i am too drunk.

C) The person heads straight into insults questioning your parents integrity with regard to your birth actually being outside of wedlock or inferring you are actually not human, but an inflated genitalia (male or female) with legs.

As such, you just kind of let them get it out of their system and then watch them stumble off. Girls were worse because they would really feel that being falling over drunk wasn't that much of an issue and would tend to hang around longer because apparently being a girl means the rules don't apply, eventually i will fall for their womanly charms and allow them in. The secret is, i didn't and i wouldn't.

Troublemakers are easier, as they are people who have caused trouble in the pub/club before and had previously been evicted and barred. They would have had this explained to them at the time and i would simple reiterate that they had caused trouble, been evicted from the premises and barred and contrary to popular belief that is not something that goes away with their hangover.

This would then lead to some grandstanding, some threats, being told i would be "got" etc etc etc and eventually they would go away because they would finally realise...****...this guy is actually not letting me, and maybe all those threats i just made validate his decision. ( It should be noted, if only for the humour value, that despite doing door work in Limerick for 7 years i was never told i would be "got" more times than when i was doing the door of a very nice place in Blackrock lol )

I wouldn't be telling people that i had no professional history with that they were troublemakers because i found it funny...i was just doing people i had dealt with before the honest turn of reminding them i had valid reason to stop them.

CDfm

The OP started the thread about drunk women.

I have only once heard of a woman get refused entry to a club and that was a long time ago.

Does it happen nowadays.

Otis Driftwood

Ive seen it happen in Dublin,Mullingar,Sligo and Longford.

Of course the frequency is much lower than with blokes getting refused (I got stopped one night going into Dandelions having had 2 pints,apparantly Id had enough)

Alot of bouncers/doormen can be quite dickish,I have no issue getting stopped if Im hammered but Im so rarely that drunk its never an issue.

Logical Fallacy

CDfm wrote: »

The OP started the thread about drunk women.

I have only once heard of a woman get refused entry to a club and that was a long time ago.

Does it happen nowadays.

I couldn't say and i couldn't speak for the industry, i can only give my opinion. I used to stop drunk girls all the time, too drunk is too drunk and i didn't really care if they were girls. From my own point of view getting a drunken girl out of a club could be far more bothersome than removing a drunken bloke.

I actually got in trouble, and subsequently left, two clubs where the managers tried to give me **** for stopping drunk or underage girls. It's not my job to break the law for a clubs bottom line, it's my job to ensure the health, safety and enjoyment of all customers and members of staff. To be honest though, my attitude was relatively rare on the doors i worked with, if i was lucky i would be able to form a crew of like-minded individuals but often times our best efforts would be hampered by the will of management to just have people in spending money.

Management see females customers as a reason blokes will go to the club, hence ladies night, they also don't see female customers as too much of a threat as 90% of physical altercations in clubs tend to be male on male. That said, i would say it's an even 50/50 split with regard to people i removed from clubs for being way too drunk and i reckon the woman would have taken me twice as long to get out as the blokes. I worked with a couple of female bouncers and that was always nice, as you don't mind when a girl removes another girl from a club with a little bit of oomph but there would be an awful social stigma attached to laying hands on a girl to get her out of a club, regardless of the level of ignorance and attitude she would display or the level of violence she might instigate. Even so much as putting a hand on her arm to guide her along would be seen as very poor form by other customers.

Pain in the bollix to be honest with you.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Yes, i used the "not tonight" thing to start sometimes, it's really the most effective way of letting someone know they are not coming in on the night in question but entry in the future is still an option...i would then offer them the judgement call i had made as to why they were not getting in and reiterate that this was just tonight, come back another time in the correct attire, less drunk or what have you and there would be no issue.

Fair enough. I have never been told "too drunk" unless I'd had a few. Those cases felt no bitterness and walked away. Though obviously you're gonna meet less reasonable folk. In those situations "Not tonight" is fine.

What really got me in the past though was the refusal to give any reason, just a "not tonight" That's just not on IMO.

Galvasean

CDfm wrote: »

The OP started the thread about drunk women.

I have only once heard of a woman get refused entry to a club and that was a long time ago.

Does it happen nowadays.

It definitely does. Although generally speaking they need to be absolutely PLASTERED(!) to the point of being unable to stand without staggering and/or be unable to string a sentence together.
Never seen a fairly sober - moderately drunk girl get refused though.

Logical Fallacy

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

What really got me in the past though was the refusal to give any reason, just a "not tonight" That's just not on IMO.

I'd agree with you from a customer service standpoint. It's funny now, to me anyway, to see pubs and the Vintners sponsoring very expensive add campaigns and doing everything they can to try and get people into the pubs to spend their money. I was probably active on the doors during the most lucrative time for pubs in this country and i worked on some of the worst, dodgey and most violent doors going to some of the poshest places and the story was always the same...a general ambivalence towards the customer themselves.

I found it made my own life easier to foster good relations with customer, be they regulars of people i was needing to turn away for whatever reason. I never turned someone away for a bull**** reason but, as already mentioned, this would often lead to friction with management and owners.

There is also the fact that you do get bellends working the door, it's just one of those things, i saw lads turn people away for nothing and then laugh about them behind their back. When i was in charge they would be called on their behaviour, when i wasn't i would still give them **** over it but this lead to general feelings of unease between me and other doormen. I wasn't willing to buy into the horse**** or the bullying that CAN go on on certain doors. I'd normally just leave and find myself a new door...work wasn't hard to find at the time and people could talk all the **** they liked but i had a great reputation when it came to dealing with trouble and could, 99% of the time, talk down any situation.

To be honest with you, i've had the same happen to me, walk up to a door and be told "not tonight" and i always asked why. The thing about having done doors is i know exactly what buttons to push to piss people off. lol Huge generalisation here but most of the lads who will stop you for no reason fall into two catagories. They are stopping you themselves for no reason, or they have been instructed by a manager who was just at the door to stop you. Managers can be awful tricky bastards and i never met one in the pub trade i liked.

CDfm

It is funny that.

I imagine a manager will want someone to come in who will spend the most money which they wont do if they have been out already or been elsewhere.That must be a hard call.

Last Xmas I was out with a bar owner I know and he was telling me how he had been trying to get some of the local offices to use his place for lunches,staff do's etc for years.

What he hadn't known was the door staff/bar staff had been refusing the same people entry on Thursday nights or concession nights.

enda1

Apple tart is the greatest desert of all time.

Logical Fallacy

CDfm wrote: »

It is funny that.

I imagine a manager will want someone to come in who will spend the most money which they wont do if they have been out already or been elsewhere.That must be a hard call.

Last Xmas I was out with a bar owner I know and he was telling me how he had been trying to get some of the local offices to use his place for lunches,staff do's etc for years.

What he hadn't known was the door staff/bar staff had been refusing the same people entry on Thursday nights or concession nights.

Yeah, that is the problem alright, what happens at night can haunt a pub during the day and day trade is a very important part of the industry.

To kind of tangent back to the point of the thread i would almost say that women in pubs are given more license to get hammered than blokes. In most places a very drunk male will get thrown out long before a very drunk female...and i would say that behaviour that would get a bloke thrown out (i.e grabbing a girls ass ) would be laughed off if a girl did it to a bloke. I think it's developed a small entitled culture of females who really just go out, act ignorant and don't care and i reckon this is also the small percentage of customers that the OP might be talking about.

enda1

enda1 wrote: »

Apple tart is the greatest desert of all time.

Not the Sahara?

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Yeah, that is the problem alright, what happens at night can haunt a pub during the day and day trade is a very important part of the industry.

To kind of tangent back to the point of the thread i would almost say that women in pubs are given more license to get hammered than blokes. In most places a very drunk male will get thrown out long before a very drunk female...and i would say that behaviour that would get a bloke thrown out (i.e grabbing a girls ass ) would be laughed off if a girl did it to a bloke. I think it's developed a small entitled culture of females who really just go out, act ignorant and don't care and i reckon this is also the small percentage of customers that the OP might be talking about.

That's true and I don't like it one bit. Unwanted groping is unwanted groping

Bottle_of_Smoke

bluewolf wrote: »

That's true and I don't like it one bit. Unwanted groping is unwanted groping

In reality its completely different though because its not "unwanted" in most cases for guys

Girls usually think "ffs another perv just grabbed my ass"
Guys usually think "Oh wow! a girl just grabbed my ass"

Though you'd see a stark difference in attitude if it happened to that same guy in a gay bar.

Logical Fallacy

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Its kind of different.

Girls usually think "ffs another perv just grabbed my ass"
Guys usually think "Oh wow! a girl just grabbed my ass"

Though you'd see a difference if it happened to that same guy in a gay bar.

Plenty of guys can have their own hangups and contact issues from things that might have happened to them.

prinou

I am enjoying readying this thread so much ...
I am a woman in my early 30s.

First I want to say how difficult it is finding nice evening clothes in Dublin, no matter the budget. Have you seen what they sell in BT2 ? I have great difficulty finding classy/sexy cloth but decent. Abroad seems to be a shopping paradise.

Second, the attitude ! Why get drunk ? Get Merry !

Third. The other day I was in Gibneys and there wasn't a big crowd there. 4 very pretty women arrived. They started to dance, and I thought they were super. Spanish I think. I was looking at the guys reaction. Zero. nothing. They just didn't notice ... How about some glances that make your heart bit that little bit faster when met, followed by a smile that gives you wobbly legs ?! before deciding to get that little bit closer ... and...maybe not...and maybe yes ... and finally go and talk to her after 2 hours of teasing ? that's a bang bang romance ! It's not the first time I notice no body talk to girls that are not throwing themselves into men's arms.