Youths Rugby

ormond lad

clubrug wrote: »

Read that article, love the comment “From my experience, rugby players from the country are late developers — both physically and mentally.”
There is no doubt there is a physical difference, NO one can convince me however, that some of the school lads physical appearance is natural,no fridge, weights room and conditioning does that in its entirety. Heard Brian Carney previously on 'culture' and read a Neil Francis article recently, culture can start from a young age, we all know that there is a different approach and consensus (in many ways) to rugby played at schools and clubs, the much poorer relation.
The schools have the advantages of training more but with the different approach youths rugby takes we can and will produce more and more players to the top level in the coming years as standards of games, coaching etc improve.
We all know a lad playing schools has a far greater chance of playing provincial than our club player, schools lads get reputations, some that even provincial coaches swallow, even though I know through the club scene there are some better players. Problem being, I love watching the schools games, both junior and senior, as there is great structure to their games, lads just know what to do,and are confident in their own and their teams ability, we cannot emulate that to the same extent, but put some lads from the club scene in that structure they do and have excelled.
Schools do have advantages in that their games are on weekdays and provincial development staff go to games in force. I can remember going to some Munster Schools Cups and seeing 5/6 Munster development staff yet you would never see that many at a youths game.
Their is great structure at schools games because they train and play together so much. By the time the cups start in early February each school will have played 16-18 games before they play their 1-4 cup games. So of course the lads just know what to do
I personally have high regard and great respect for lads from the clubs that represent their provinces at 19s and 20s, as they are a such a minority, few and far between. Kids being approached by some schools has its pros and cons, however I really hope the ruling helps some of those clubs in time that are struggling with numbers.
Wouldn't say they are few and far between. They are in minority at the moment but certainly not few and far between. Kids being approached by schools has more cons than pros in my opinion.
We have had lads who have seen their fair share of trouble regarding home and school life, the comment "would have not survived two years of the senior cycle without having the distraction ofrugby" is good, wonder would that young fella have gotten in to the school if he hadn't any rugby ability??? Rugby of course would never be a distraction to studies!

Hope you son keeps at it, think many can be too young at that age to play senior rugby, training for seconds teams etc can disappear as the season goes on, be non existent and a bit of a joke, also in the last couple of years with teams struggling with 19s, very few are coming through, lads need and deserve to enjoy their rugby, hopefully things will improve. Unlike the schools, we favour all abilities and welcome anyone who wants to tog out. End of rant

Some good points made. Schools also favour all abilities and welcome all. Look to some of the bigger schools who field 3,4 + sides at senior level and more down the age's.

clubrug wrote: »

I was so delighted for Bandon and their great achievement, all the work, the effort from coaches through the ages from whenthese lads were nippers, have followed them for a couple of years and admired them, had their disappointment at 17s, great credit to them.

Richard Kingston is or was with Kinsale, very good player, was unlucky to not make the final youths panel two years ago, 7 for them then was smaller and lighter but seriously super rugby player, think his size is okay to be honest, fine player and up there with the best in his age. I believe size is considered farmore important than, put before, ability, has been happening too much, rugby isfull of lumps with technically far less ability than others.

Very hard to get any lad looked at a club, Bandon probably should not hold out much hope for big provincial representation,Shannon/St. Marys failed to get representation when they won the All - Ireland

Not very hard to get any club player looked at. Wrong to say Bandon probably should not hold out for much representatives at provincial level in September Im sure they'll have some representatives at 19s and/or 20s.

Last few finals in East Munster for this season were played in the last few days. Waterpark won the u15 Cup after a 24-7 win over Cashel, Fethard beat Waterford City 15-10 in the u14 League Final and Nenagh won the u17 Plate defeating Fethard 19-17.

Catalpa1

Well the season is almost over, congrats to all the winners Bandon and Clon in particular we have had some great battles and will have again. Commiserations to the losers, there is always next year.
Special thanks to ALL the referees and Linespersons, I might have sworn (under my breath) at some or all of you but with out you there is no game and its a very thankless job.
Finally and most importantly to the coaches of all the clubs. Some of you have been with the same lads for years others get new lads every year. You all turn up on a Tuesday or Wednesday night in frost, snow rain and muck in the middle of Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb and give selflessly of your time.
Good Coaches can help to make great players.Great Coaches can make great people and I've been lucky to see a few at a lot of clubs down the years. A huge thank you for all your work

shawneebuy

Leinster A Schools have been pulled, no reason given as of yet.

lurtz

shawneebuy wrote: »

Leinster A Schools have been pulled, no reason given as of yet.

presume its just the money,Leinster would have been fielding 6 underage teams across three ages which is alot

ormond lad

shawneebuy wrote: »

Leinster A Schools have been pulled, no reason given as of yet.

Great shame if true.

lurtz wrote: »

presume its just the money,Leinster would have been fielding 6 underage teams across three ages which is alot

Shame if true. Id agree with you lurtz that money is the prob cause of team being got rid of. Shame as if Leinster are getting rid of the team then Munster will be as well.
Money is a strange reason considering Munster will have all the other provincial squads training in Rockwell, living in Rockwell for a few days a week.
Don't see any issue at all with fielding 6 underage teams across 3 age groups. It is a lot but It gives all kids the shot at "making it" and much more importantly gives 180 or so teens the chance to pull on a provincial jersey. Having the base as wide as possible at 18 keeps players in the game, improves standards. Can't see why reducing number of provincial teams is good in any way

munsterman96

Munster U19 Squad : Brendan Quinlan (Rockwell College), Mike O’Donnell (Crescent College), Liam O’Connor (CBC), Denis O’Connell (Rockwell College), Sean McNulty (Rockwell College), Jack Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), Frank Bradshaw Ryan (Ard Scoil Ris), Aaron Hogan (Youghal), Darragh Power (Waterpark), Michael Murphy (PBC), Ben Kilkenny (St. Munchins), Cormac Blake (Crescent College), Jay Kavanagh (Crescent College), Connell Dodd (Waterpark), Paul Obande (Ard Scoil Ris), Jack Cullen (Saracens/Exiles), David O’Mahony (Rockwell College), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Tomas Quinlan (CBC), Edward O’Keeffe (St. Munchins), Robbie Deegan (Ard Scoil Ris), JJ O’Neill (Crescent College), Steven McMahon (Rockwell College), Stephen Fitzgerald (Ard Scoil Ris), Eathon Moloney (Garryowen), Kevin O’Keeffe (Glenstal Abbey School. Reserve Squad: Tobi Ademakin (Garryowen), Jack O’Halloran (Ard Scoil Ris), Luke O’Halloran (St. Munchins), Idris Rqibi (Skibbereen), Jonathan Keane (Crescent College), Gareth Molloy (Waterpark), Brion Moriarity (Ard Scoil Ris), Aidan Moynihan (Rockwell College), Sean Cremin (Kanturk), Eoin O’Carroll (Tralee), Fionn McGibney (Garryowen), Shane McAuliffe (CBC).

Munster U18 Clubs: Philip Poylett (Clonakilty), Paddy Butler (Highfield), Ben Betts (Young Munster), Keith O’Riordan (Cashel), Luke Cantwell (Waterpark), Dylan Murphy (Bantry), Dylan Power (Waterpark), Philip Daly (Abbeyfeale), Sean Foyle (Highfield), Luke Kelly (Thurles), Josh Barnes (Tralee), Michael Doughan (Nenagh), Sean O’Leary (Midleton), Dylan Reeves-Wasik (Bruff), Mike Casey (Bantry), Daniel O’Driscoll (Waterpark), Robbie Walsh (Waterpark), Karl Clifford (Young Munster), Aaron Dunne (Shannon), David Pierce (Waterpark), Karl Madden (Young Munster), Ryan Minihan (Young Munster), Isaac Mansfield Daly (Waterpark), Jimmy Aherne (Cork Constitution), Hugh O’Brien (Garryowen), David Kavanagh (Waterpark), Paul O’Keeffe (Kanturk), Tim Cronin (Bantry), Joe White (Clonakilty), Mike Mulally (Tralee), Brian Cahill (Ennis), Darragh Fanning (Bruff), Colm Connolly (Sunday’s Well), Liam Treacy (Bruff), Brian Fanning (Bruff), Nathan Clancy (Garryowen), James O’Connor (Tralee).

Munster U18 Schools: Joseph Ring (PBC), Kelvin Browne (Ard Scoil Ris), Willie Coffey (Rockwell College), Jake O’Donovan (PBC), Tommy Anglim (Rockwell College), Billy O’Hora (Crescent College), Shane O’Hanlon (CBC), Brian McLoughlin (Rockwell College), Michael Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), David O’Dwyer (Rockwell College), Sean Fitzpatrick (Crescent College), Gary O’Sullivan (Crescent College), Greg Roche (CBC), Rory Cunningham (Castletroy College), Alan McMahon (Rockwell College), Colm Fitzgerald (CBC), John Poland (PBC), Ben O’Callaghan (CBC), Shane Fenton (Ard Scoil Ris), Ben Riley (Rockwell College), Vincent O’Brien (CBC), David O’Sullivan (PBC), Peter Meyer (St Munchins), Bill Johnston (Rockwell College), Evan Mintern (CBC), Jack Harrington (Crescent College), Sean O’Connor (Rockwell College), Dave O’Mahony (Ard Scoil Ris), Cian Barry (CBC), Paul Kiernan (PBC), David Lynch (CBC), Calvin Nash (Crescent College), Ronan Murphy (Castletroy College), Michael Clune (CBC), Caolan O’Flynn (PBC), Rory Horgan (Rockwell College).

ormond lad

munsterman96 wrote: »

Munster U19 Squad : Brendan Quinlan (Rockwell College), Mike O’Donnell (Crescent College), Liam O’Connor (CBC), Denis O’Connell (Rockwell College), Sean McNulty (Rockwell College), Jack Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), Frank Bradshaw Ryan (Ard Scoil Ris), Aaron Hogan (Youghal), Darragh Power (Waterpark), Michael Murphy (PBC), Ben Kilkenny (St. Munchins), Cormac Blake (Crescent College), Jay Kavanagh (Crescent College), Connell Dodd (Waterpark), Paul Obande (Ard Scoil Ris), Jack Cullen (Saracens/Exiles), David O’Mahony (Rockwell College), Dylan Horgan (Highfield), Tomas Quinlan (CBC), Edward O’Keeffe (St. Munchins), Robbie Deegan (Ard Scoil Ris), JJ O’Neill (Crescent College), Steven McMahon (Rockwell College), Stephen Fitzgerald (Ard Scoil Ris), Eathon Moloney (Garryowen), Kevin O’Keeffe (Glenstal Abbey School. Reserve Squad: Tobi Ademakin (Garryowen), Jack O’Halloran (Ard Scoil Ris), Luke O’Halloran (St. Munchins), Idris Rqibi (Skibbereen), Jonathan Keane (Crescent College), Gareth Molloy (Waterpark), Brion Moriarity (Ard Scoil Ris), Aidan Moynihan (Rockwell College), Sean Cremin (Kanturk), Eoin O’Carroll (Tralee), Fionn McGibney (Garryowen), Shane McAuliffe (CBC).

Munster U18 Clubs: Philip Poylett (Clonakilty), Paddy Butler (Highfield), Ben Betts (Young Munster), Keith O’Riordan (Cashel), Luke Cantwell (Waterpark), Dylan Murphy (Bantry), Dylan Power (Waterpark), Philip Daly (Abbeyfeale), Sean Foyle (Highfield), Luke Kelly (Thurles), Josh Barnes (Tralee), Michael Doughan (Nenagh), Sean O’Leary (Midleton), Dylan Reeves-Wasik (Bruff), Mike Casey (Bantry), Daniel O’Driscoll (Waterpark), Robbie Walsh (Waterpark), Karl Clifford (Young Munster), Aaron Dunne (Shannon), David Pierce (Waterpark), Karl Madden (Young Munster), Ryan Minihan (Young Munster), Isaac Mansfield Daly (Waterpark), Jimmy Aherne (Cork Constitution), Hugh O’Brien (Garryowen), David Kavanagh (Waterpark), Paul O’Keeffe (Kanturk), Tim Cronin (Bantry), Joe White (Clonakilty), Mike Mulally (Tralee), Brian Cahill (Ennis), Darragh Fanning (Bruff), Colm Connolly (Sunday’s Well), Liam Treacy (Bruff), Brian Fanning (Bruff), Nathan Clancy (Garryowen), James O’Connor (Tralee).

Munster U18 Schools: Joseph Ring (PBC), Kelvin Browne (Ard Scoil Ris), Willie Coffey (Rockwell College), Jake O’Donovan (PBC), Tommy Anglim (Rockwell College), Billy O’Hora (Crescent College), Shane O’Hanlon (CBC), Brian McLoughlin (Rockwell College), Michael Boland (Glenstal Abbey School), David O’Dwyer (Rockwell College), Sean Fitzpatrick (Crescent College), Gary O’Sullivan (Crescent College), Greg Roche (CBC), Rory Cunningham (Castletroy College), Alan McMahon (Rockwell College), Colm Fitzgerald (CBC), John Poland (PBC), Ben O’Callaghan (CBC), Shane Fenton (Ard Scoil Ris), Ben Riley (Rockwell College), Vincent O’Brien (CBC), David O’Sullivan (PBC), Peter Meyer (St Munchins), Bill Johnston (Rockwell College), Evan Mintern (CBC), Jack Harrington (Crescent College), Sean O’Connor (Rockwell College), Dave O’Mahony (Ard Scoil Ris), Cian Barry (CBC), Paul Kiernan (PBC), David Lynch (CBC), Calvin Nash (Crescent College), Ronan Murphy (Castletroy College), Michael Clune (CBC), Caolan O’Flynn (PBC), Rory Horgan (Rockwell College).

Interesting squads. I see some of last years youths down in the 19s or school squad in A schools.
Good to see somebody from Nenagh in each of the 3 squads

lurtz

Jack Cullen (Saracens/Exiles)

Interesting to see this lad involved,must be doing what sean o'hagan did last year.
the residential camp in rockwell is an advantage

munsterman96

little to none representation of Clonakilty 17s pan munster champions and Bandon 19s

KJY

munsterman96 wrote: »

little to none representation of Clonakilty 17s pan munster champions and Bandon 19s

Fairly sure the brunt of the Bandon team would be over the age, owing to how weak their 17s were last year. Right about Clon though

KJY

Delighted to see plenty of 'Park lads, particularly in the 19s where the two lads clearly worked hard in the trials as they didn't make Irish Youths but stuck at it

ormond lad

lurtz wrote: »

Jack Cullen (Saracens/Exiles)

Interesting to see this lad involved,must be doing what sean o'hagan did last year.
the residential camp in rockwell is an advantage

Is the camp in Rockwell that much of an advantage? Didn't exactly improve Munster's record in interpro's last year. Best Munster side In last year's interpro's was the one side that was not based in Rockwell.

munsterman96 wrote: »

little to none representation of Clonakilty 17s pan munster champions and Bandon 19s

Bandon may have some players in the 20s squad which has not been confirmed yet. Youths squad is predominantly based on the under 17 regional development squads and Clon probably did not have huge numbers in the south squad last season

KJY wrote: »

Delighted to see plenty of 'Park lads, particularly in the 19s where the two lads clearly worked hard in the trials as they didn't make Irish Youths but stuck at it

Park always have a few involved due to the excellent work the coaches down in Waterford put in. irish youths is great but if players don't make it and continue to play and develop they can make sides when the schools players are involved.

Great to see 3 nenagh players involved between the youths, schools and 19s

lurtz

ormond lad wrote: »

Is the camp in Rockwell that much of an advantage? Didn't exactly improve Munster's record in interpro's last year. Best Munster side In last year's interpro's was the one side that was not based in Rockwell.

Well it is an advantage if they want to attract players like what connacht did with guys like callum o'connell alex o'meara joe bercis issac o'grady etc
Thus year connacht are going back to 3 days a week so hopefully they still remain competitive

RobbieRuns

lurtz wrote: »

Well it is an advantage if they want to attract players like what connacht did with guys like callum o'connell alex o'meara joe bercis issac o'grady etc
Thus year connacht are going back to 3 days a week so hopefully they still remain competitive

Any camp with players training together for long periods and bonding generally as a team, working on fitness etc. is bound to be an advantage. It does not necessarily mean that they are the best players and if another team is better, they will not win no matter what, but getting guy's into a camp is the a step towards getting the best out of that group.

Jack Cullen is a very good player and did really well for the Irish youths this year. He is very skillful but also very small, wonder if anyone ever said that to P Stringer? Good luck to the lad.

ormond lad

lurtz wrote: »

Well it is an advantage if they want to attract players like what connacht did with guys like callum o'connell alex o'meara joe bercis issac o'grady etc
Thus year connacht are going back to 3 days a week so hopefully they still remain competitive

Maybe but exiles have traditionally went to Connacht/Ulster not Munster/Leinster anyway.

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Any camp with players training together for long periods and bonding generally as a team, working on fitness etc. is bound to be an advantage. It does not necessarily mean that they are the best players and if another team is better, they will not win no matter what, but getting guy's into a camp is the a step towards getting the best out of that group.

Jack Cullen is a very good player and did really well for the Irish youths this year. He is very skillful but also very small, wonder if anyone ever said that to P Stringer? Good luck to the lad.

Maybe but if you look back at last years results the move to Rockwell for all but one of Munster's underage squads didn't exactly give much reward.

Anyway the Leinster u15, 17 and 19 cup finals are in Donnybrook on Monday and for more info see here
See here for list of winners and runners up of each youths competition in Munster this season

Dropkick22

Looks like clon are doing a fine job @ 17,s and 15,s

ormond lad

Dropkick22 wrote: »

Looks like clon are doing a fine job @ 17's and 15s

They always used to have very strong underage teams and their rise to becoming a senior club in the 00s was helped by several Clonakilty sides winning under 16 and under 18 All Irelands. If they keep producing teams like they did this season and keep them and get anywhere near where they were 2002-2006 and they'll be back senior sooner rather than later

Here is a list of nearly every Munster youths league and cup winners and runner up from this season

munsterman96

Dropkick22 wrote: »

Looks like clon are doing a fine job @ 17,s and 15,s

Agree great coaches at both ages , Im amazed that theres not more on the u18 squad

Dropkick22

The powers that be know more than us ! ( I hope) could any1 on here pick a munster youths team better than last years youths team ? I think none of us on here would pick the same 15 , 1 of the best players I've seen this year was the clonmel 8 , did he make munsters youth,s ?

ormond lad

Dropkick22 wrote: »

The powers that be know more than us ! ( I hope) could any1 on here pick a munster youths team better than last years youths team ? I think none of us on here would pick the same 15 , 1 of the best players I've seen this year was the clonmel 8 , did he make munsters youths ?

When you say last year's youths I assume you mean 95s??
No the Clonmel 8 had not played youths or 19s for Munster.
And no I don't think any of us could pick a better side but yes we all would pick a different side

aspin

results of leinster youths finals
portlaoise won u-13
navan won u15 & u-17

Dropkick22

Was the south munster agm Tuesday? Anything interesting come out of it?

ormond lad

Dropkick22 wrote: »

Was the south munster agm Tuesday? Anything interesting come out of it?

Was it?? Usually best off to wait until Munster AGM as that carries more in terms of what is actually implemented for the following season.

Dropkick22

ormond lad wrote: »

Was it?? Usually best off to wait until Munster AGM as that carries more in terms of what is actually implemented for the following season.

Heard it was on the Tuesday , but have heard nothing !

Tim Robbins

Just saw this highlights of Irish youths versus Irish schools. Sorry if posted already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iabQpzwRQs

I think the youths did pretty well.

A fairer match would be against the section A or B schools. As the youths usually only train twice a week.

ormond lad

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Just saw this highlights of Irish youths versus Irish schools. Sorry if posted already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iabQpzwRQs

I think the youths did pretty well.

A fairer match would be against the section A or B schools. As the youths usually only train twice a week.

This was posted back when game was played round xmas
I disagree when you say the youths should play the Section A/B(B/C in Munster) schools as that's not how the youths will improve. Only by the Irish Youths playing the Irish Schools and each of the provincial youths sides playing the schools side in their province will the youths sides and players improve.

Stanza2

ormond lad wrote: »

This was posted back when game was played round xmas
I disagree when you say the youths should play the Section A/B(B/C in Munster) schools as that's not how the youths will improve. Only by the Irish Youths playing the Irish Schools and each of the provincial youths sides playing the schools side in their province will the youths sides and players improve.

Agree with OL. The trouble with that game which is played at Christmas is that the actual result does not seem to matter to the youths as much as the schools and the big advantage that the schools have is that they all know each other so well (19 of the schools squad were Leinster schools). The youths make numerous changes and the schools keep their best players on the pitch. The youths have to experiment more to find the right balance and give players game time. The schools of course have great players and would win nearly every time but they are way ahead of the youths in preparation at Christmas time. Anyone who watched the youths go on to beat England clubs and schools at Ashbourne would see the improvement. Some of the players on that youth team will do well just like the previous years youth team who lost to the schools and did not win a game and produced some magnificent players.

Tim Robbins

ormond lad wrote: »

This was posted back when game was played round xmas
I disagree when you say the youths should play the Section A/B(B/C in Munster) schools as that's not how the youths will improve. Only by the Irish Youths playing the Irish Schools and each of the provincial youths sides playing the schools side in their province will the youths sides and players improve.

I admire your optimism. But I can't see it being very fair playing against lads who are training 3 times as much as you.

ormond lad

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I admire your optimism. But I can't see it being very fair playing against lads who are training 3 times as much as you.

Its the only way to improve. Last summer the munster youths and schools u18 interpro sides trained in Rockwell together for 5 weeks ahead of interpros and the A schools side played and beat the Youths dispite only training once a week for most of the summer.
At provincial level the youths train as much as the schools and the players on provincial youths sides do as much work as any schools player and more. Plenty of youths players do as much if not more than many schools players

Ruck Inspector

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I admire your optimism. But I can't see it being very fair playing against lads who are training 3 times as much as you.

youre kidding yourself if you think lads at that level aren't training a hell of a lot.