Youths Rugby

The Lost Sheep

FalconXV wrote: »

It's really messy for clubs that have outright under 13s and under 15s teams in West Munster (from what I understand North and East Munster both have under 15s comps). Some of the kids a year up are already built like men it's not right that they can't be fit in to another comp somehow due to Saturday match day preference it should be against Cork clubs. The under 13s are also going in raw to full pitch Rugby for the first team against older players with a season under their belt on it.

Under 15s is slightly different but teams cannot play a year up ie a full under 15 team cant play a under 16 team, or under 13 play under 14.
The only solution is not to have under 13 and 14 or under 15 and 16 teams but have 2 under 14 teams and 2 under 16 teams and have both mixed teams. Its difficult issue but hard to find solutions

FalconXV

It's a key issue that needs to be addressed mainly due to the size of kids these days. Some of the under 14s lads I have seen play wouldn't look out of place in the under 18s Pan Munster comp. You don't want to see kids suffering due to lack of strength v strength fixtures against teams their age (you see this in west Munster under 11s where the clubs with the numbers to field under 11s travel good distances every second week to get quality games) and getting trounced by teams with older players hitting puberty.

Youth Rugby is improving thanks to the strong mini sections in clubs developing more rounded players and the pan Munster comps. This season's under 19s squad has a really interesting split of schools and clubs players. That shows there is quality in schools. To ensure this is maintained the structures below the under 16s has to be looked at. Due to low senior participation in west Munster it's absolutely vital that clubs can hold on to their kids (subs!) and attract more players. Getting tonked by older kids puts that at risk.

The Lost Sheep

FalconXV wrote: »

It's a key issue that needs to be addressed mainly due to the size of kids these days. Some of the under 14s lads I have seen play wouldn't look out of place in the under 18s Pan Munster comp. You don't want to see kids suffering due to lack of strength v strength fixtures against teams their age (you see this in west Munster under 11s where the clubs with the numbers to field under 11s travel good distances every second week to get quality games) and getting trounced by teams with older players hitting puberty.

Youth Rugby is improving thanks to the strong mini sections in clubs developing more rounded players and the pan Munster comps. This season's under 19s squad has a really interesting split of schools and clubs players. That shows there is quality in schools. To ensure this is maintained the structures below the under 16s has to be looked at. Due to low senior participation in west Munster it's absolutely vital that clubs can hold on to their kids (subs!) and attract more players. Getting tonked by older kids puts that at risk.

Yes some kids are bigger but that's bit ott on 14s as big as under 18s but I get what you mean.
When you talk about under 19s I assume you mean the provincial squad? And I think that shows more the improvements made in clubs rather than anything to do with schools.
You don't want to see complete mismatches physically but that can be an issue at any age. Ive already refereed a game this season that I had to finish up early because of 1 side hammering the other but what can you do.

What do you want looked at in relation to structures at under 16 and below?

FalconXV

Due to the big step up from under 12 minis which is 10 a side on a half pitch under 13s really should be against under 13s teams. They have also come up through clubs as a squad and clubs with the numbers should be assisted as well. West Munster Rugby there is a big gap between Tralee and Castleisland and the rest. Killorglin have had some decent teams and compete well but even Killarney are really poor (they will have no excuse soon with the amount of money being poured in to their new facilities). Castleisland struggle in the youths from under 16s. Listowel are enthusiastic but they don't have the coaches. Their minis have a lot of girls which is interesting but that's another problem as they obviously lose players they have retained over the seasons. Competitiveness of the comp aside there are some big players coming through in Kerry.

Under 15s is disjointed. Some clubs set out to win the Pan Munster so they aren't going to field 14 year olds unless the player is exceptional. There are a lot of under 16s plates in and cups in West Munster it's a bit of a mess. The under 15s that don't get to play in the pan Munster games will have to arrange another fixture.

Yeah I mean the provincial under 19s. There is talent in the clubs and it's good that Munster due to its small school base is casting the net wider.

Braken

FalconXV wrote: »

Due to the big step up from under 12 minis which is 10 a side on a half pitch under 13s really should be against under 13s teams. They have also come up through clubs as a squad and clubs with the numbers should be assisted as well. West Munster Rugby there is a big gap between Tralee and Castleisland and the rest. Killorglin have had some decent teams and compete well but even Killarney are really poor (they will have no excuse soon with the amount of money being poured in to their new facilities). Castleisland struggle in the youths from under 16s. Listowel are enthusiastic but they don't have the coaches. Their minis have a lot of girls which is interesting but that's another problem as they obviously lose players they have retained over the seasons. Competitiveness of the comp aside there are some big players coming through in Kerry.

Under 15s is disjointed. Some clubs set out to win the Pan Munster so they aren't going to field 14 year olds unless the player is exceptional. There are a lot of under 16s plates in and cups in West Munster it's a bit of a mess. The under 15s that don't get to play in the pan Munster games will have to arrange another fixture.

Yeah I mean the provincial under 19s. There is talent in the clubs and it's good that Munster due to its small school base is casting the net wider.

You seemed to mention every team bar abbeyfeale..are they not in west munster?

FalconXV

They are but they're never at West Munster blitzes in the minis (I don't think we have even played them in the past few seasons) and tried to organise stand alone matches to play against them but they never respond. I don't know if the blitz thing is to do with Limerick Hurling on a Saturday clashing. There were a lot of West Munster blitzes last season, more then the seasons before.

A bit of a unknown quantity through the grades coming up. I think they have been mid to bottom table in the under 14s past couple of years.

The Lost Sheep

FalconXV wrote: »

Due to the big step up from under 12 minis which is 10 a side on a half pitch under 13s really should be against under 13s teams. They have also come up through clubs as a squad and clubs with the numbers should be assisted as well. West Munster Rugby there is a big gap between Tralee and Castleisland and the rest. Killorglin have had some decent teams and compete well but even Killarney are really poor (they will have no excuse soon with the amount of money being poured in to their new facilities). Castleisland struggle in the youths from under 16s. Listowel are enthusiastic but they don't have the coaches. Their minis have a lot of girls which is interesting but that's another problem as they obviously lose players they have retained over the seasons. Competitiveness of the comp aside there are some big players coming through in Kerry.

Ideally under 13 teams should not play under 14s as player safety is paramount and you shouldn't let full teams at one age group compete against older age groups. There is a gap in West but its hard to improve it unless you get more development officers into schools and get more kids playing the sport and get more coaches attending coaching courses and improving themselves to help improve players

Under 15s is disjointed. Some clubs set out to win the Pan Munster so they aren't going to field 14 year olds unless the player is exceptional. There are a lot of under 16s plates in and cups in West Munster it's a bit of a mess. The under 15s that don't get to play in the pan Munster games will have to arrange another fixture.

Yeah I mean the provincial under 19s. There is talent in the clubs and it's good that Munster due to its small school base is casting the net wider.

Under 15s is not the main age group and few clubs will have under 15 sides so clubs with under 15 sides have a choice - play under 15 teams in under 16 competitions or have sparodic games for under 15s against sides from other provinces

Braken

FalconXV wrote: »

They are but they're never at West Munster blitzes in the minis (I don't think we have even played them in the past few seasons) and tried to organise stand alone matches to play against them but they never respond. I don't know if the blitz thing is to do with Limerick Hurling on a Saturday clashing. There were a lot of West Munster blitzes last season, more then the seasons before.

A bit of a unknown quantity through the grades coming up. I think they have been mid to bottom table in the under 14s past couple of years.

Abbeyfeale minis play in north munster and youths play west munster

Hagz

Leinster u18's beat Connacht 38-7, Conor Nash with a hat-trick.

munsterman96

The ages in Munster are a disgrace. They should have stayed at 19s or moved back to 18 and a halfs as some players are not allowed play 20s or senior/junior rugby with their clubs as you must be over 18 for 'insurance purposes' .It leaves some players with upto 3 months without rugby.

The Lost Sheep

munsterman96 wrote: »

The ages in Munster are a disgrace. They should have stayed at 19s or moved back to 18 and a halfs as some players are not allowed play 20s or senior/junior rugby with their clubs as you must be over 18 for 'insurance purposes' .It leaves some players with upto 3 months without rugby.

The age groupings are not a disgrace. The decision to move from under 19s was because many rural clubs struggled to field at 19s and it was the clubs who insisted on these changes.
You can play 20s even if not 18 years of age if you get an exemption from Munster Branch. No players will be stopped from playing rugby for 3+ months

munsterman96

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The age groupings are not a disgrace. The decision to move from under 19s was because many rural clubs struggled to field at 19s and it was the clubs who insisted on these changes.
You can play 20s even if not 18 years of age if you get an exemption from Munster Branch. No players will be stopped from playing rugby for 3+ months

Tell me how to get this 'exemption' as for my club and many more we are not allowed

munsterman96

munsterman96 wrote: »

Tell me how to get this 'exemption' as for my club and many more we are not allowed

and also does this exemption cover you in adult rugby

The Lost Sheep

munsterman96 wrote: »

Tell me how to get this 'exemption' as for my club and many more we are not allowed and also does this exemption cover you in adult rugby

You apply to the provincial youths committee and relevant competition organisers for exemptions for players stating if not released they go without rugby. Again the decision to move back to 18s/20s was at the behest of clubs who felt that with 19s/21s they struggled to field at older age groups. The change to 18s/20s meant more clubs would be able to field on a more regular basis which is true if you look at last season

munsterman96

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You apply to the provincial youths committee and relevant competition organisers for exemptions for players stating if not released they go without rugby. Again the decision to move back to 18s/20s was at the behest of clubs who felt that with 19s/21s they struggled to field at older age groups. The change to 18s/20s meant more clubs would be able to field on a more regular basis which is true if you look at last season

i would have agreed that it was a good decision last year (as i was playing 18s) but this year its tough to field due to lads at college.does the exemeption cover adult rugby?

The Lost Sheep

Cashel, Waterpark, Bruff, Newcastle West-Estuary, Cork Con, Ballincollig all looking strong at 18s

Young Munster, Waterpark, Bruff, Ballincollig, Dolphin looking to be the stronger sides at 16s at this time

With Ulster running off different eligibility dates to other provinces it will be interesting to see how the all Ireland is structured this season...

roro57

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Cashel, Waterpark, Bruff, Newcastle West-Estuary, Cork Con, Ballincollig all looking strong at 18s

Young Munster, Waterpark, Bruff, Ballincollig, Dolphin looking to be the stronger sides at 16s at this time

With Ulster running off different eligibility dates to other provinces it will be interesting to see how the all Ireland is structured this season...

no all Ireland's this year.

The Lost Sheep

roro57 wrote: »

no all Ireland's this year.

You sure? There was last year and several provinces ran different age groups to one another. Poor decision if true

briandwfp

Ireland u18 club side this year.

1. Greg McGrath(Wexford)
2. Tadgh McElroy(Dundalk)
3. Ian McCarthy(Highfield)
4. Joe Carley(Enniscorthy)
5. Jack Regan(Birr)
6. Matthew Burke(Ballinrobe)
7. Conor Farrell(Navan)
8. Paul Boyle(Gorey)
9. Darragh Sweeney(Malahide)
10. Ciaran Frawley(Skerries)
11. Otta Gray(Exile)
12. Sean O'Brien(Mullingar)
13. Darragh Cummins(Sligo)
14. Peter Howard(Cill Dara)
15. Conor Nash(Navan)
16. Ben Devlin(Kilkenny)
17. Eoin Corcoran(Longford)
18. Blaze McKnight(Newry)
19. Jack Auinger(Suttonians)
20. Dylan Reeves Wasik(Birr)
21. Conor Hand(Navan)
22. Sean Masterson(Portlaoise)
23. Robbie Walsh(Waterpark)
24. Jack Coombes(Exile)
25. Luke Carty(Buccaneers)
26. Aiden McDonald(Kilkenny)
27. Tobais Robinson(Exile)
28. Jack Quilter(Tralee)
29. Dom Gorrard(Exile)
30. Dave McCarthy(Skibbereen)
31. Conor Maguire(Boyne)
32. Stephen McGivern(Dundalk)

The Lost Sheep

Big spread of clubs there and small number of exiles involved than usual. 23 clubs represented and then 4 exiles coming from rugby schools/clubs in the UK
@briandwfp/irishunderagerugbyblog Dylan Reeves Wasik is Bruff RFC not Birr

evancmurphy00

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Cashel, Waterpark, Bruff, Newcastle West-Estuary, Cork Con, Ballincollig all looking strong at 18s

Young Munster, Waterpark, Bruff, Ballincollig, Dolphin looking to be the stronger sides at 16s at this time

With Ulster running off different eligibility dates to other provinces it will be interesting to see how the all Ireland is structured this season...

Garryowen and Ennis are both strong at u16 as well.

The Lost Sheep

Skerries and Navan face off in Skerries in group 1 of phase 2 in Leinster u19 league. Both teams unbeaten with 5 wins from 5. Winner takes all to decide group winner
Naas top of group 2. No idea on structure of competition after these groups are finished

Galwegians and Sligo have qualified for Connacht u18 League Final

Pan Munster u18 draw to be made in coming weeks

The Lost Sheep

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/19836.php
Match report of recent u18 north munster final

Skerries team to beat in leinster u19 league. Beat Navan 62-14 at the weekend in top of table clash in 2nd phase of the league.

Connacht u18 league is at the finals stage.
Don't know about Ulster

shaungil

Iwouldn't read a lot into that skerries Navan result. Navan v understrength and only arrived with 14 players. if they meet again would say it would as usual be a tighter game.

The Lost Sheep

Pan Munster competition starts this weekend at 16s and 18s
Under 18 Group 1
31/1/15
Newcastle West v Cork Con
1/2/15
Dungarvan v Midleton
7/2/15
Newcastle West v Dungarvan
Cork Con v Midleton
14/2/15
Dungarvan v Cork Con
Midleton v Newcastle West

Under 18 Group 2
30/1/15
Highfield v Kinsale
31/1/15
North Kerry v Young Munster
7/2/15
Highfield v North Kerry
Kinsale v Young Munster
14/2/15
North Kerry v Kinsale
Young Munster v Highfield

Under 18 Group 3
31/1/15
Bruff v Clonmel
1/2/15
Bantry Bay v Waterpark
7/2/15
Bantry Bay v Shannon
Waterpark v Bruff
14/2/15
Bruff v Bantry Bay
Shannon v Clonmel
21/2/15
Clonmel v Bantry Bay
Waterpark v Shannon
28/2/15
Clonmel v Waterpark
Shannon v Bruff

Under 18 Group 4
31/1/15
Dolphin v Cashel
Tralee v Thomond
7/2/15
Thomond v Cashel
Tralee v Dolphin
14/2/15
Cashel v Tralee
Dolphin v Thomond



Under 16 Group 1
31/1/15
Dolphin v Muskerry
1/2/15
Waterford City v Killorglin
7/2/15
Bruff v Waterford City
Killorglin v Dolphin
14/2/15
Dolphin v Bruff
Muskerry v Killorglin
21/2/15
Bruff v Muskerry
Waterford City v Dolphin
28/2/15
Killorglin v Bruff
Muskerry v Waterford City

Under 16 Group 2
31/1/15
Ballincollig v Skibbereen
Killarney v Garryowen
7/2/15
Ballincollig v Killarney
Skibbereen v Garryowen
14/2/15
Garryowen v Ballincollig
Killarney v Skibbereen

Under 16 Group 3
31/1/15
Mallow v Newcastle West
1/2/15
Ennis v Fethard
7/2/15
Fethard v Mallow
Waterpark v Ennis
14/2/15
Mallow v Waterpark
Newcastle West v Fethard
21/2/15
Ennis v Mallow
Waterpark v Newcastle West
28/2/15
Fethard v Waterpark
Newcastle West v Ennis

Under 16 Group 4
31/1/15
Tralee v Young Munster
1/2/15
Clonakilty v Thurles
7/2/15
Tralee v Clonakilty
Young Munster v Thurles
14/2/15
Clonakilty v Young Munster
Thurles v Tralee

aspin

shaungil wrote: »

Iwouldn't read a lot into that skerries Navan result. Navan v understrength and only arrived with 14 players. if they meet again would say it would as usual be a tighter game.

Skerries seem to have progressed really well this year and I would take them to do 17 & 19 double

The Lost Sheep

Munster competitions started last night. Results from today and last night
Under 18 Group 1 - Newcastle West-Estuary 42 Cork Con 5

Under 18 Group 2 - Highfield 13 Kinsale 10

Under 18 Group 3 - Bruff 24 Clonmel 7

Under 18 Group 4 - Dolphin v Cashel ???, Tralee 31 Thomond 20

Under 16 Group 1 - Dolphin 3 Muskerry 6

Under 16 Group 2 - Ballincollig 10 Skibbereen 36, Killarney v Garryowen ???

Under 16 Group 3 - Mallow 19 Newcastle West 10

Under 16 Group 4 - Tralee 5 Young Munster 7

woody19

Anyone know what the cut off date for U20's is? One person has told me that for club rugby at U20 level in Dublin the cut off date is the 1/06 as opposed to the normal 01/01 for other age groups.

The Lost Sheep

woody19 wrote: »

Anyone know what the cut off date for U20's is? One person has told me that for club rugby at U20 level in Dublin the cut off date is the 1/06 as opposed to the normal 01/01 for other age groups.

Where are you based and what you querying?
Under 20 club rugby in Leinster - JP Fanagan leagues - the eligibility date for this season is 1/7/94 while in Munster and Connacht the eligibility date in 1/1/95.

woody19

Student based in Dublin. My DOB is the 12/9/96. Cant play U20s rugby this year as I'm still playing J1s with my local club. Going to play U20s up here next season and what I was wondering was how many years am I still eligible for U20s in Leinster, which is another two seasons.
Thanks for the reply couldnt find it anywhere on Irish Rugby or Leinster Rugbys websites.