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turtleshead · 06-10-2015 9:13pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Lots of sides amalgamating isn't an issue. The schools are always an issue in Limerick/North Munster. Never a season goes by without some sort of issue between clubs and schools
Clubs amalgamating at 16s is a good thing. Teams will still be playing and players will still get games.

I think the branch need to look at the amalgamation more closely, coached underage a number of years back and faced a couple of merged teams, on nearly every occasion they had 35+ players togged out and could easily have made 2 teams, there were some exceptions to that but sometimes these clubs (and I would say it is a small few clubs) are doing this to cherry pick the best players to compete with the likes of Bruff.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2015 9:24pm

turtleshead wrote: »

I think the branch need to look at the amalgamation more closely, coached underage a number of years back and faced a couple of merged teams, on nearly every occasion they had 35+ players togged out and could easily have made 2 teams, there were some exceptions to that but sometimes these clubs (and I would say it is a small few clubs) are doing this to cherry pick the best players to compete with the likes of Bruff.

I have been involved in sides that have amalgamated and can say that isn't really the case. Many who amalgamate do have 25 plus but on their own that's 12/13 players each maybe.. cant field like that
35 isn't really enough for 2 clubs to field separate sides.....

Its hard to stop it in many cases..

Quin_Dub · 06-10-2015 9:25pm

turtleshead wrote: »

I think the branch need to look at the amalgamation more closely, coached underage a number of years back and faced a couple of merged teams, on nearly every occasion they had 35+ players togged out and could easily have made 2 teams, there were some exceptions to that but sometimes these clubs (and I would say it is a small few clubs) are doing this to cherry pick the best players to compete with the likes of Bruff.

That may be the case at 18's but for the most part at 16's, in Limerick at least the city clubs are hit very hard with players being tied to school...

Also - This year the schools panels were submitted at the end of September whereas in previous years players weren't getting paneled until Christmas..

At 16's this season, there are only 2 clubs in Limerick city playing solo - Young Munster and Thomond , all the other clubs have amalgamated with at least 1 other club.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2015 9:40pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That may be the case at 18's but for the most part at 16's, in Limerick at least the city clubs are hit very hard with players being tied to school...

Also - This year the schools panels were submitted at the end of September whereas in previous years players weren't getting paneled until Christmas..

At 16's this season, there are only 2 clubs in Limerick city playing solo - Young Munster and Thomond , all the other clubs have amalgamated with at least 1 other club.

f course Limerick is an issue but its always been problematic......Something has to be done to solve things once and for all
I don't see any issue at 16s level with only 2 clubs in the city fielding a side on their own. At least clubs are thesedays looking to others and combining to provide rugby for all. That wasn't done in the past. I can remember before the change to the Pan Munster 16 teams in 2010 that there was plenty of years where the North didn't have any representatives in the Munster layoffs as they couldn't get teams to meet regulations/get league finished in time due to schools.

Quin_Dub · 07-10-2015 9:31am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

f course Limerick is an issue but its always been problematic......Something has to be done to solve things once and for all
I don't see any issue at 16s level with only 2 clubs in the city fielding a side on their own. At least clubs are thesedays looking to others and combining to provide rugby for all. That wasn't done in the past. I can remember before the change to the Pan Munster 16 teams in 2010 that there was plenty of years where the North didn't have any representatives in the Munster layoffs as they couldn't get teams to meet regulations/get league finished in time due to schools.

True.. Guys getting rugby is a priority for sure...

So far though, it looks like most of the Amalgamations are quite weak at 16's - Bruff are tearing through them in their group..

There are 2 North Munster groups at 16's - One has most of the City clubs along with Bruff , the other has most of the "out of town" clubs.. Bruff have put 50+ on everyone in their group so far..

They were the beaten finalists in the league and cup at U15's last season..

Ennis and NCW - who won the league and cup respectively last year are in the other group together and will both come out to the next round..Not sure who'll come out with Bruff , but they'll likely be quite weak based on the results so far..

The Lost Sheep · 07-10-2015 10:45am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

True.. Guys getting rugby is a priority for sure...

So far though, it looks like most of the Amalgamations are quite weak at 16's - Bruff are tearing through them in their group..

There are 2 North Munster groups at 16's - One has most of the City clubs along with Bruff, the other has most of the "out of town" clubs.. Bruff have put 50+ on everyone in their group so far..

They were the beaten finalists in the league and cup at U15's last season..

Ennis and NCW - who won the league and cup respectively last year are in the other group together and will both come out to the next round..Not sure who'll come out with Bruff , but they'll likely be quite weak based on the results so far..

Yes some amalgamations are not the strongest but its still early and if/when any of these sides are competing in phase 2 competitions these sides should be ok.

Quin_Dub · 07-10-2015 10:52am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Yes some amalgamations are not the strongest but its still early and if/when any of these sides are competing in phase 2 competitions these sides should be ok.

The new format with the Cup/Shield/Plate means that there will be a Phase 2 for everybody , so teams should be competitive at the level they go through to generally speaking, which is a good thing as everyone will have loads of fixtures through the season.

In NM though at 16's there's a fairly big gap in standard between Bruff,Ennis & NCW and the rest of the teams so the 4th team coming out to the Cup phase might struggle a bit , but as you say it's early days and they should improve a bit over the season.

The Lost Sheep · 07-10-2015 11:17am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The new format with the Cup/Shield/Plate means that there will be a Phase 2 for everybody, so teams should be competitive at the level they go through to generally speaking, which is a good thing as everyone will have loads of fixtures through the season.

In NM though at 16's there's a fairly big gap in standard between Bruff,Ennis & NCW and the rest of the teams so the 4th team coming out to the Cup phase might struggle a bit , but as you say it's early days and they should improve a bit over the season.

I know there is a pan provincial competition for all... there is the three tiers.....

That will often be the case at some age groups that there is a big gap in standards between teams in the respective regions. Is the same in the East with Nenagh(most of the time), Waterpark(nearly all the time) and 1/2 others generally a step or two above the rest and then in the West Tralee are quite often well above the rest bar some years and then the South is slightly different and it could be anyone of a number of clubs....
Its only the start of October. Very early yet. If you went back 6/7 years ago the leagues in the regions would only be starting up now or even a few weeks later so I wouldn't worry too much

The Lost Sheep · 22-10-2015 3:46pm

Irish under 18 squads players have been notified for the first training camp......
Leagues seem to be going well in Connacht so far and the last few weeks in Munster also going well....

gazump123 · 23-10-2015 1:12pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Irish under 18 squads players have been notified for the first training camp......
Leagues seem to be going well in Connacht so far and the last few weeks in Munster also going well....

Hardly squads up for that is there?

The Lost Sheep · 23-10-2015 1:54pm

gazump123 wrote: »

Hardly squads up for that is there?

Squads wont be listed in full anywhere for this camp but the players have a training camp next week in the mid term

The Lost Sheep · 28-10-2015 4:57pm

Regional U16 Shane Horgan Cup games were played in Gorey today

South East beat Metro 27-7 and North East played Midlands - not sure of result of that game

gazump123 · 31-10-2015 11:16pm

Munster u17s clubs and schools and Munster cadets (u16 clubs) had full day training sessions on Tuesday and Thursday respectively. The cadets session was mostly game based I think while the u17s sessions were more training based.

The Lost Sheep · 31-10-2015 11:27pm

gazump123 wrote: »

Munster u17s clubs and schools and Munster cadets (u16 clubs) had full day training sessions on Tuesday and Thursday respectively. The cadets session was mostly game based I think while the u17s sessions were more training based.

All provinces would have had sessions during the week considering it was half time. Connacht 16s/17s had a training game/session in Sportsground during the week.

A lot of club games were not on this weekend as well....

gazump123 · 01-11-2015 9:40pm

Anyone hear of any players that were at Ireland trials?

Tim Robbins · 01-11-2015 9:47pm

Anyone know what happened to the lad who started this thread Ormond lad? He was a great poster.

gazump123 · 01-11-2015 10:13pm

Tim Robbins wrote: »

Anyone know what happened to the lad who started this thread Ormond lad? He was a great poster.

He still posts on a munster forum. Don't know why he would have stopped posting here.

From the same forum, I got these player names that were at Ireland trials/camp:

Ross O'Neill(CBC/Backrow/u19)
Alex McHenry(CBC/Centre/u19)
Liam Coombes(CBC/Fullback/u19)
Shane Bushe(CBC/Hooker/u19)
Peter Kelleher(CBC/Prop/u19)
James Taylor(CBC/Outhalf/u18)
Peter Sylvester(PBC/Outhalf/u18)
Jack O'Sullivan(PBC/Backrow/u18)

The Lost Sheep · 10-11-2015 1:00pm

Phase 2 of Munster league to be drawn in next 2-3 weeks as some sections are finished and others have 2/3 rounds to play. League working well so far in most cases.
Leagues going well in other provinces???

Quin_Dub · 10-11-2015 1:11pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Phase 2 of Munster league to be drawn in next 2-3 weeks as some sections are finished and others have 2/3 rounds to play. League working well so far in most cases.
Leagues going well in other provinces???

Draw is already made - Insofar as the group make-ups are decided..

A few teams already confirmed for various groups with others to be officially confirmed as the final 2 rounds complete.

The Lost Sheep · 10-11-2015 1:12pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Draw is already made - Insofar as the group make-ups are decided..

A few teams already confirmed for various groups with others to be officially confirmed as the final 2 rounds complete.

Is it? Have you seen it? Could you PM me if you have it..

Quin_Dub · 10-11-2015 1:25pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Is it? Have you seen it? Could you PM me if you have it..

PM Sent

Quin_Dub · 10-11-2015 2:05pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Phase 2 of Munster league to be drawn in next 2-3 weeks as some sections are finished and others have 2/3 rounds to play. League working well so far in most cases.
Leagues going well in other provinces???

They have decided at U16 to play off for the North Munster league title over the next 3 weeks. They chose the 4 semi-finalists based on the final standings in the Phase 1 Conferences.

So this week-end you have -

Bruff vs. Newcastlewest & Ennis vs. Garryowen/Ul Bohs/Newport/Presentation in the semi-finals (Bruff & Ennis at home as Group winners in the 1st Phase) with the final to be played on the back-pitch in Thomond on the 29th of November.

The Lost Sheep · 26-11-2015 11:12pm

Phase 2 of under 16/18 competitions launched.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/21586.php#.VleDx01i8dU

Quin_Dub · 26-11-2015 11:56pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Phase 2 of under 16/18 competitions launched.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/domestic/news/21586.php#.VleDx01i8dU

Phase 2 starts the week-end of the 12th/13th of December

North Munster U16 final this week-end - Ennis vs. Newcastlewest in Annacotty @11:30

The Lost Sheep · 27-11-2015 12:01am

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Phase 2 starts the week-end of the 12th/13th of December

North Munster U16 final this week-end - Ennis vs. Newcastlewest in Annacotty @11:30

Ennis are good side. Good to see competition launch on website and hopefully we can get regular updates up weekly.
Connacht leagues are bit mixed.... some started late. others have had lot of games not played.. bit of a mess....

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2015 12:49pm

2nd Phase groups for U16 Pan Munster

Phase 1 rank Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
Group Winners Bruff Skibbereen Ennis
Group Winners Cobh Pirates Tralee Midleton
Group Runner up Ballincollig Newcastlewest 2nd Conf 4
Group Runner up Kilorglin Waterford City Garryowen/UL Bohs/Newport/Presentation
3rd in Group Nenagh 3rd Conf 4 Charleville
3rd in Group Waterpark Young Munster Cork Con

Group 4 from Phase 1 still to be completed - Bandon , Mallow and Old Christians in the running for the 2nd & 3rd spots.

The Lost Sheep · 30-11-2015 1:42pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

2nd Phase groups for U16 Pan Munster

Phase 1 rank Group 1 Group 2 Group 3
Group Winners Bruff Skibbereen Ennis
Group Winners Cobh Pirates Tralee Midleton
Group Runner up Ballincollig Newcastlewest 2nd Conf 4
Group Runner up Kilorglin Waterford City Garryowen/UL Bohs/Newport/Presentation
3rd in Group Nenagh 3rd Conf 4 Charleville
3rd in Group Waterpark Young Munster Cork Con
Group 4 from Phase 1 still to be completed - Bandon , Mallow and Old Christians in the running for the 2nd & 3rd spots.

Waterpark and Fethard have a playoff next week AFAIK..

Having seen most of those sides play over past season or two. Some very good sides there.

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2015 2:14pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Waterpark and Fethard have a playoff next week AFAIK..

Having seen most of those sides play over past season or two. Some very good sides there.

Yes.. They've actually finalised Group 4 , so Mallow go in to Group 3 as runners up and Bandon go to Group 2.

There is a placeholder in Group 1 for the winner of Waterpark/Fethard

All the fixtures are now up on the Munster site..

1st round of games the week-end of 12/13 December.

What sides have you seen recently?

I know all the North Munster sides very well , but have very little insight into the relative quality of of the other sides..

Hard to benchmark teams based on results alone without having a frame of reference...

Quin_Dub · 30-11-2015 2:19pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Phase 2 starts the week-end of the 12th/13th of December

North Munster U16 final this week-end - Ennis vs. Newcastlewest in Annacotty @11:30

BTW - This wasn't played due to the weather..

Probably on next w/e , venue to be confirmed..

The Lost Sheep · 30-11-2015 2:59pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Yes.. They've actually finalised Group 4, so Mallow go in to Group 3 as runners up and Bandon go to Group 2.

There is a placeholder in Group 1 for the winner of Waterpark/Fethard

All the fixtures are now up on the Munster site..

1st round of games the week-end of 12/13 December.

What sides have you seen recently?

I know all the North Munster sides very well, but have very little insight into the relative quality of of the other sides..

Hard to benchmark teams based on results alone without having a frame of reference...

Would have seen most sides over past season or so. Not as many very recently though.
Waterpark wont challenge at 16s as for once they are not very strong at this age grade. At regional level for this age group in East Munster Nenagh and Kilfeacle would have been stronger and Waterford City are strong as well. Not too hard to benchmark teams as if you look at results from previous seasons at regional level and then this seasons results....

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