Youths Rugby

The Lost Sheep

Connacht Youths league fixtures. up to 110 teams now competing in the youths leagues now which is great to see

http://community.connachtrugby.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Youth-Leagues-2017-18-boys.pdf

The Lost Sheep

Connacht beat Ulster u19s in interpros can't remember.score ......
Connacht deserved winners

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Leinster U18 Clubs

15. Diarmuid Egan (Tullamore RFC)
14. Matthew Yungman (Seapoint Rugby Club)
13. Luis Faria (Wanderers FC)
12. Karl Martin (Boyne RFC)
11. Josh O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
10. Paddy McKenzie (Wicklow RFC)
9. Shane Murphy (Skerries RFC)
1. Marcus Hanan (Clane RFC)
2. Barry Ryan (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
3. Michael Power (Clontarf FC)
4. Fionn Gilbert (Clontarf FC)
5. Sam Porter (Wicklow RFC)
6. Brian Deeney (Wexford Wanderers RFC)
7. Luke Thompson (Wicklow RFC) CAPTAIN
8. David Murphy (Blackrock College RFC)

Replacements
16. Mark Nicholson (Wicklow RFC)
17. Sean O’Rourke (Athy RFC)
18. Jordan Kelly (Enniscorthy RFC)
19. Tadgh Butler (Kilkenny RFC)
20. Robery Murphy (Gorey RFC)
21. Jack Ussher (Suttonians RFC)
22. Adam Nealon (DLSP FC)
23. Thomas McBrien (Skerries RFC)

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Coach Dan van Zyl would have warned against the spectre of complacency given Ulster’s poor recent history in this competition.

Leinster looked to get out of the blocks sharply and let their forwards, led by captain Luke Thompson, take the fight to their hosts.

They were merciless in their approach, right wing Matthew Jungmann exploiting the short side for the opening try and scrum-half Shane Murphy converting as early as the fourth minute.

The solid work of the forwards was rewarded when second row Fionn Gilbert burst over for Murphy to add the extras in the 15th minute.

The impression that the back three looked dangerous on the ball was supported by full-back Diarmuid Egan’s finish down the left hand side for Murphy to convert.

The one-way traffic continued with a penalty from Murphy on the half hour.

Then, Leinster raided down the right-hand side for wing Josh O’Connor to show his pace for Murphy to stretch the lead to an unassailable 31-0 lead at the break.

Thereafter, the accuracy suffered from multiple replacements as Leinster cleared the bench as Gilbert showed up to sell two dummies for his second try.

The game was closed out by replacement prop Jordan Kelly, Murphy making it six out of six conversions to round off an impressive start to the three-match campaign.

In truth, the Clubs have been showing improvement in all their preparatory games and this was proof positive that they are on the right road.

“We had Belvedere College, The Exiles and Blackrock College in the lead-in to the series,” said Team Manager Louis Magee.

“Blackrock was probably the defining one for us, winning that game gave us a decent standard to work from.

“We stuck to our game plan to keep width on our game and work through our processes.

“We made few mistakes in very wet conditions and had the game in hand at half-time.”

Coach Van Zyl will take the show on the road out west to Connacht in Galway next Saturday where the plan is to keep on doing what they have been doing.

“We can’t get too ahead of ourselves. We will focus on Connacht. They are always tough at the Sportsground.”

At Armagh RFC – ULSTER 0; LEINSTER 45 (F Gilbert 2 tries; M Jungmann, D Egan, J O’Connor, J Kelly try each; S Murphy pen, 6 cons).

Leinster U18 Clubs

15. Diarmuid Egan (Tullamore)
14. Matthew Jungmann (Seapoint)
13. Luis Faria (Wanderers) / Thomas O’Brien (Skerries) 35 mins;
12. Karl Martin (Boyne)
11. Josh O’Connor (Wexford Wanderers)
10. Paddy McKenzie (Wicklow) / Adam Nealon (DLSP) 46 mins
9. Shane Murphy (Skerries) / Jack Ussher (Suttonians) 45 mins
1. Marcus Hannon (Clane) / Sean O’Rourke (Athy) 52 mins
2. Barry Ryan (Wexford) / Mark Nicholson (Wicklow) 46 mins
3. Michael Power (Clontarf) / Jordan Kelly (Enniscorthy) 45 mins
4. Fion Gilbert (Clontarf)
5. Sam Porter (Wicklow)
6. Brian Deeney (Wexford Wanderers) / Robert Murphy (Gorey) 45 mins
7. Luke Thompson (Wicklow, Capt)
8. David Murphy (Blackrock College) / Tadgh Butler (Kilkenny) 20 mins

Ulster U18 Clubs

15. Nathan Jeffers (Rainey)
14. Ciaron Wilson (Carrickfergus)
13. Peter Cullen (Randalstown)
12. Ben Moxham (Larne)
11. Alan Thompson (Coleraine)
10. Matthew Hamilton (Malone)
9. Nathan Rogers (Armagh)
1. Niall Preston (Virginia)
2. Ciaran McGlone (Rainey)
3. Seif Eldin Abd El Gawad (Carrickfergus)
4. Stephen Kelly (Inishowen)
5. Conor McMenamim (Letterkenny)
6. Sam Murray (Armagh)
7. Charlie Clarke (Rainey, Capt)
8. Phil Campbell (Ballymena)

Replacements

16. Eoin Macdonald (Randalstown)
17. Adam Marley (Finn Valley)
18. Harry Mawhinney (Ballyclare)
19. Robbie Mathers (Banbridge)
20. Matthew Sands (Newry)
21. Ashley Tweed (Ballymoney)
22. Rory Maginty (Letterkenny)
23. Finlay Walker (Ballymena)

Leinster u18 clubs win.

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Munster’s Under 18 Club side got their Interprovincial campaign off to a winning start as they came from behind to defeat their Connacht counterparts at the CIT Grounds 22-7.
The visitors opened the scoring within six minutes of the kick-off when Billy McVann made a break form a maul following a five-meter lineout to score the game’s opening try and his Ballina Club colleague Craig McCormack converted.

With the wind at their backs for the opening half, Munster began to turn the screw and Charlie O’Doherty opened their account with a try following a ruck inside the visitors’ 22. Conor O’Brien converted to tie the scores at seven points apiece.

Munster took the lead when the ball was spread out to David McNamara following a ruck inside the Connacht 22 and O’Brien added his second conversion.

O’Brien stretched the margin to ten points with a penalty form outside the visitors’ 22 before Craig McCormack missed a penalty for Connacht form outside the home side’s 22 on the stroke of half time.

The only score of the second half came three minutes from time when Ben Daly sprinted from his own 22 after intercepting a Connacht pass to score a try in the corner, which he failed to convert.

Munster: Conor O’Brien (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS); Chimdi Oji (Douglas RFC/ Douglas Community School), Ciaran Evans (Midleton RFC/Midleton CBS), Patrick Scully (Fethard RFC/Thurles CBS), David McNamara (Ennis RFC/Ennistymon Technical School); Ben Daly (Waterpark RFC/Ard Scoil Na Mhara), Charlie O’Doherty (Newcastle Wes RFC/ Scoil Mhuire agus Ide); Conor Morrissey (Cork Constitution FC/Mayfield Community School), Paudie McCarthy (Bantry Bay RFC/Colaiste Phobail Bheanntrai), Darragh Fitzgerald (Rugbai Chorca Dhuibhne/Pobailscoil Chorca Dhuibhne); Thomas Ahern (Dungarvan RFC/St Augustine’s Dungarvan), Eoin O’Connor (Waterpark RFC/Gael Cholaiste Phort Lairge); Mark Stafford (Midleton RFC/Midleton College), Evan Murphy (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS), Oisin Cooke (Garryowen FC/Villiers School).

Replacements: Harry Jephson (Waterpark RFC/ Newtown School), Ciaran Bohane (Ballincollig RFC/Gael Cholaiste Choilm), Shane O’Driscoll (Midleton RFC/Midleton College), Seaghan Walsh (Waterford City RFC/De La Salle College), Jack O’Keeffe (Nenagh Ormond RFC/ Nenagh CBS), Kevin O’Connor (Cashel RFC/Cashel Community School), Alan Kiely (St Mary’s RFC/Colaiste Chiarain Croom), Jamie Shanahan (Skibbereen RFC/ Skibbereen Community School)

Connacht: Conor O’Shaughnessy (Galwegians RFC/St Jartlath’s College); Dara Hanrahan (Corinthians RFC/ Colaiste Iognaid), Saul O’Carroll (Buccaneers RFC/Garbally College), Craig McCormack (Ballina RFC/Gortnor Abbey), Shane Jennings (Ballinasloe RFC/Garbally College); Adam Cunningham (Galwegians RFC/Colaiste Iognaid), Evan Kenny (Corinthians RFC/Colaiste Iognaid); Cathal O’Grady (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College), Billy McVann (Ballina RFC/St Muredach’s), Niall Carney (Corinthians RFC/St Jartlath’s College); Dara Murray (Buccaneers/St Aloysius College), Iarlaith Laheen-Morrin (Galwegians RFC/Calasanctius College); Sean Keaney (Galwegians RFC/The Bish), Mathias O’Neill (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College), Jack Mulholland (Corinthians RFC/The Bish)

Replacements: Darren Browne (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College), Caolin Hopkins (Ballina RFC/St Josephâs Foxford), Liam Doyle (Buccaneers RFC/Marist College), Thomas Connolly (Galwegians RFC), Oisin McCormack (Ballinasloe RFC/Garbally College), Tim Lambe (Creggs RFC/Roscommon CBS), Daniel Plaster (Castlebar RFC/St Gerald’s College), Nathan Horan (Buccaneers RFC/Garbally College).

Munster u18 clubs win.

irishfan9

Leinster vs Munster this saturday to determine interpro champions. Leinster favourites as they are home team.

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

Leinster vs Munster this saturday to determine interpro champions. Leinster favourites as they are home team.

Wouldnt necessarily say Leinster favourites because theyre at home. May go to this. Should be very good game

Changes to irish u18 coaching teams announced. Mossy Lawler is one of the Assistant Coaches to the Ireland U18 Schools team while Colm Tucker has been appointed Assistant Coach to the Ireland U18 Clubs & Schools team

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Wouldnt necessarily say Leinster favourites because theyre at home. May go to this. Should be very good game

Changes to irish u18 coaching teams announced. Mossy Lawler is one of the Assistant Coaches to the Ireland U18 Schools team while Colm Tucker has been appointed Assistant Coach to the Ireland U18 Clubs & Schools team

well I would, unless you have intimate knowledge of both teams..

The Lost Sheep

Munster won 33-29

irishfan9

20 Leinster underage club players playing pro rugby:

Jamie Hagan(Prop/Béziers/Balbriggan RFC)
Tahdg Furlong(Prop/Leinster/New Ross RFC)
Peter Dooley(Prop/Leinster/Birr RFC)
Vakh Albazaze(Prop/Leinster/Coolmine RFC)
Jack Aungier(Prop/Leinster/Suttonians RFC)

Tadhg McElroy(Hooker/Saracens/Dundalk RFC)

Mark Flanagan(Lock/Munster/Mullingar RFC)
Mick Kearney(Lock/Leinster/Clontarf RFC)
Alan O'Connor(Lock/Ulster/Skerries RFC)
Jack Regan(Lock/Ulster/Birr RFC)

Sean O'Brien(Backrow/Leinster/Tullow RFC)
Danny Kenny(Backrow/London Scottish/Greystones RFC)
Eoghan Masterson(Backrow/Connacht/Potlaoise RFC)
Paul Boyle(Backrow/Connacht/Gorey RFC)
Sean Masterson(Backrow/Connacht/Portlaoise RFC)

Ciaran Frawley(Outhalf/Leinster/Skerries RFC)

Eamonn Sheridan(Centre/Carcassonne/Navan RFC)
Tom Daly(Centre/Leinster/Carlow RFC)
Adam Byrne(Wing/Leinster/Naas RFC)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Leinster/Mullingar RFC)

Could add the following players too:

Jeremy Loughman(Prop/Leinster/Athy RFC-Blackrock) - spent 2 years at Blackrock
Conor Oliver(Backrow/Munster/Skerries RFC-Blackrock) - spent 1 year at Blackrock
Joey Carbery(Fullback/Leinster/Athy RFC-Blackrock) - spent 1 year at Blackrock

The Lost Sheep

irishfan9 wrote: »

20 Leinster underage club players playing pro rugby:

Jamie Hagan(Prop/Béziers/Balbriggan RFC)
Tahdg Furlong(Prop/Leinster/New Ross RFC)
Peter Dooley(Prop/Leinster/Birr RFC)
Vakh Albazaze(Prop/Leinster/Coolmine RFC)
Jack Aungier(Prop/Leinster/Suttonians RFC)

Tadhg McElroy(Hooker/Saracens/Dundalk RFC)

Mark Flanagan(Lock/Munster/Mullingar RFC)
Mick Kearney(Lock/Leinster/Clontarf RFC)
Alan O'Connor(Lock/Ulster/Skerries RFC)
Jack Regan(Lock/Ulster/Birr RFC)

Sean O'Brien(Backrow/Leinster/Tullow RFC)
Danny Kenny(Backrow/London Scottish/Greystones RFC)
Eoghan Masterson(Backrow/Connacht/Potlaoise RFC)
Paul Boyle(Backrow/Connacht/Gorey RFC)
Sean Masterson(Backrow/Connacht/Portlaoise RFC)

Ciaran Frawley(Outhalf/Leinster/Skerries RFC)

Eamonn Sheridan(Centre/Carcassonne/Navan RFC)
Tom Daly(Centre/Leinster/Carlow RFC)
Adam Byrne(Wing/Leinster/Naas RFC)
Conor O'Brien(Centre/Leinster/Mullingar RFC)

Could add the following players too:

Jeremy Loughman(Prop/Leinster/Athy RFC-Blackrock) - spent 2 years at Blackrock
Conor Oliver(Backrow/Munster/Skerries RFC-Blackrock) - spent 1 year at Blackrock
Joey Carbery(Fullback/Leinster/Athy RFC-Blackrock) - spent 1 year at Blackrock

If you looked in England/France more you certainly could add more to that list
Off top of my head this is small list of those in Munster squad and there is more.
Jack O Donoghue (Waterpark)
JJ Hanrahan (Castleisland) 2 years in Rockwell
James Cronin (Ballincollig/Highfield)
Kevin O Byrne (Highfield)
Tommy O Donnell (Clanwilliam)
Darren O Shea (Crosshaven)

irishfan9

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

If you looked in England/France more you certainly could add more to that list
Off top of my head this is small list of those in Munster squad and there is more.
Jack O Donoghue (Waterpark)
JJ Hanrahan (Castleisland) 2 years in Rockwell
James Cronin (Ballincollig/Highfield)
Kevin O Byrne (Highfield)
Tommy O Donnell (Clanwilliam)
Darren O Shea (Crosshaven)

More Leinster players? Please show me who I have missed, because i'm pretty sure I haven't missed anyone.

The Lost Sheep

Munster u16/18 league to finally start next weekend after long delays getting fixtures set/teams confirmed

Irish u18 clubs squad for game against Portugal in Portugal in November has been picked but full squad not named yet.

The Lost Sheep

Conference fixtures for Munster u16/18 league this weekend in link below.

https://munsterrugby.ie/2017/10/10/this-weeks-fixtures-4/

6 sections at each age group in phase 1 before cup, plate and bowl 2nd phase.

Tomorrows fixtures
Youths Under 18 League Conference 2: Charleville v Kanturk, Charleville, 11am;
South Kerry v Newcastle West-Estuary, TBC, 12pm;
Conference 3: Clonakilty v Bantry Bay, The Vale, 1.30pm;
Dunmanway v Bandon, Dunmanway, 11.30am;
Kinsale v Ballincollig, Kinsale, 12pm;
Conference 4: Cobh Pirates v Highfield, Cobh, 12.30pm;
Douglas-Carrigaline v Dolphin, Moneygourney, 11.45am;
Muskerry v Sunday’s Well, Ballyanly, 12pm;
Conference 5: Mallow v Cashel-Fethard, Mallow, 12.30pm;
Kilfeacle v Thurles, Kilfeacle, 7.30pm;
Conference 6: Midleton v Waterford City, Towns Park, 12pm;
Youghal v Dungarvan, Youghal, 11am;
Youths Under 16 League Conference 2: Castleisland v Tralee, Castleisland, 11.30am;
Listowel v Killorglin, Listowel, 11am;
Killarney v Abbeyfeale, Killarney, 12pm;
Conference 3: Ballincollig v Kinsale, Tanner Park, 11.30am;
Bandon v Bantry Bay, Bandon, 11am;
Skibbereen v Clonakilty, Skibbereen, 12pm;
Conference 4: Cork Constitution v Highfield, Mahon, 11.30am;
Dolphin v Douglas-Carrigaline, Irish Independent Park, 11am;
Sunday’s Well v Old Christians, Irish Independent Park, 12pm;
Conference 5: Fermoy v Cashel, Fermoy, 11am;
Conference 6: Cobh Pirates v Midleton, Cobh, 12.30pm;
Crosshaven v Waterpark, Crosshaven, 12pm;
Youghal v Clonmel, Youghal, 12pm;

Sundays games
Youths Under 18 League Conference 1: Garryowen v Young Munster, Dooradoyle, 12.30pm;
Nenagh Ormond v Ennis, Nenagh, 12.15pm;
Thomond v Shannon-St. Mary’s, Liam Fitzgerald Park, 12pm;
Conference 2: Castleisland-Abbeyfeale v Tralee, Castleisland, 11am;
Conference 5: Clanwilliam v Bruff, Clanwilliam Park, 12pm;
Conference 6: Waterpark v Clonmel, Ballinakill, 12pm;
Youths Under 16 League Conference 1: Kilrush v Ennis, Kilrush, 11.30am;
Nenagh Ormond v Bruff, Nenagh, 12.15pm;
Newcastle West-Estuary v Young Munster, Newcastle West, 11am;
Conference 5: Clanwilliam v Fethard, Collegelands, 12pm;
Kilfeacle v Thurles, Kilfeacle, 11am;

Quin_Dub

Rolling Substitutions being introduced from this week-end as well.

12 changes allowed during the game - All changes count towards the 12 , the only exception being if a Front row receives a Yellow card and another player has to be removed to allow a Front row sub to come on .

However if you've used your 12 changes you can still replace an injured player.

Broadly speaking it should be good as it will allow more players to get game time , but it'll be a challenge for refs to keep track of.

Each team is supposed to have 12 card numbered 1-12 which they give to the ref for each change to keep track , but it could be a lot of admin for a ref during a game.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Rolling Substitutions being introduced from this week-end as well.

12 changes allowed during the game - All changes count towards the 12, the only exception being if a Front row receives a Yellow card and another player has to be removed to allow a Front row sub to come on.

However if you've used your 12 changes you can still replace an injured player.

Broadly speaking it should be good as it will allow more players to get game time, but it'll be a challenge for refs to keep track of.

Each team is supposed to have 12 card numbered 1-12 which they give to the ref for each change to keep track, but it could be a lot of admin for a ref during a game.

It isnt actually that hard to look after in a game having refereed quite a few J1/j2 games over the years and each team doesnt bring the 12 cards to a game. Its the home club that keeps the cards and they give the cards on the day to the away team
Its the same as adult rugby with a few exceptions like replace injured player if used the 12 changes

The Lost Sheep

Munster league running well so far. Few games conceded but less than previous years which is great to see.

Connacht leagues being led by usual suspects early on.

Dont know so much about Ulster/Leinster leagues

Irish 18s clubs squad picked for Portugal test and camp next week prepping for that game.

Quin_Dub

Munster U18 Competitions adjusted to now be U18.5 with immediate effect.

Age range is now 1st July 1999 to 31st December 2001 - Which is a big age range.

From this week-end you could have players that are still 15 years old playing against guys almost 18 and a half.

Nothing wrong with the change in principal but it should have been down at the start of the season in conjunction perhaps with a similar shift at U16 or the introduction of an U17 league.

Doing it now when the leagues are already up and running isn't a great idea in my view..

In smaller clubs some players may have already left the club to play 20's elsewhere but might still be playing with their original team if this had been done at the start of the season.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote:

Munster U18 Competitions adjusted to now be U18.5 with immediate effect.
Age range is now 1st July 1999 to 31st December 2001 - Which is a big age range.
From this week-end you could have players that are still 15 years old playing against guys almost 18 and a half.
Nothing wrong with the change in principal but it should have been down at the start of the season in conjunction perhaps with a similar shift at U16 or the introduction of an U17 league.
Doing it now when the leagues are already up and running isn't a great idea in my view..
In smaller clubs some players may have already left the club to play 20's elsewhere but might still be playing with their original team if this had been done at the start of the season.

Good to see this happens
Means all provinces in youths rugby will have the highest grade of youths rugby being played off the same date for the first time in a few years which hopefully means an all Ireland competition can be played for the first time in a few years and if I had it my way such a final would be played on the aviva main pitch in a double header with the AIL division 1A final.
Yes there is a big age range potentially but it's not the worst issue and clubs should be able to find suitable games if it is an issue like playing some games at under 17 level.
Personally I would have all age groups as u13/14/15/16/17 played off January 1st with u18.5 played off July 1st.
Yes change should have came earlier and why did it come so late? When was it proposed and who proposed the change?
For kids who've moved clubs if the club they've moved to for under 20s doesn't field at under 18 it's an easy move back as they can simply go on loan to their original club stating their new club doesn't field at under 18 level

Wonder if it stays at under 18.5 will we see UCC try enter the league again like they tried at under 19s a few years ago.
NUiG compete in Connacht youths competitions but are different as they compete at all age groups from under 13 to 18.5

Quin_Dub

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Good to see this happens
Means all provinces in youths rugby will have the highest grade of youths rugby being played off the same date for the first time in a few years which hopefully means an all Ireland competition can be played for the first time in a few years and if I had it my way such a final would be played on the aviva main pitch in a double header with the AIL division 1A final.
Yes there is a big age range potentially but it's not the worst issue and clubs should be able to find suitable games if it is an issue like playing some games at under 17 level.
Personally I would have all age groups as u13/14/15/16/17 played off January 1st with u18.5 played off July 1st.
Yes change should have came earlier and why did it come so late? When was it proposed and who proposed the change?
For kids who've moved clubs if the club they've moved to for under 20s doesn't field at under 18 it's an easy move back as they can simply go on loan to their original club stating their new club doesn't field at under 18 level

Wonder if it stays at under 18.5 will we see UCC try enter the league again like they tried at under 19s a few years ago.
NUiG compete in Connacht youths competitions but are different as they compete at all age groups from under 13 to 18.5

There is an All-Ireland Comp this season.. Was announced back in August.

There was no debate/discussion about the change - 1st anyone heard about it was about a week ago with a note from the Rugby committee followed quickly by the official announcement on Monday of this week.

Agree completely with you in terms of harmonisation across the provinces etc. but it's the timing and the lack of any adjustment at the other age groups that I take issue with.

The other provinces all run full U17 leagues - It's a huge leap from U16 to U18.5 and they should have either moved U16 to 16.5 or introduced an U17 comp.

In terms of the players - Any '99 players must formally apply to play at U18.5 to the Branch and if approved they are no longer allowed to play U20/Adult rugby for the rest of the season - So those that changed club for U20 can't come back on loan to play youth for example.

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There is an All-Ireland Comp this season.. Was announced back in August.

There was no debate/discussion about the change - 1st anyone heard about it was about a week ago with a note from the Rugby committee followed quickly by the official announcement on Monday of this week.

Agree completely with you in terms of harmonisation across the provinces etc. but it's the timing and the lack of any adjustment at the other age groups that I take issue with.

The other provinces all run full U17 leagues - It's a huge leap from U16 to U18.5 and they should have either moved U16 to 16.5 or introduced an U17 comp.

In terms of the players - Any '99 players must formally apply to play at U18.5 to the Branch and if approved they are no longer allowed to play U20/Adult rugby for the rest of the season - So those that changed club for U20 can't come back on loan to play youth for example.

I dont see the issue with this change even with the late notice. It should keep more playing the game this season at least. Under 16 shouldnt move to 16 and a half as on the year works best in nearly all cases. Its nearly a decade since most age groups were played off the middle of the year cut off dates and its been far better since the change(speaking from having played both July 1st and January 1st and coached at January 1st age groups)
And the lack of change at under 16 isnt an issue. Yes other provinces run under 17 competitions but nothing stopping clubs in Munster playing games at under 17 level if there is some of the younger players within under 18.5 level who are not up to playing that level.
An under 17 competition can be introduced in time. Better to change 18s first and then see if under 17 is necessary than to introduce both.
And if you go on loan to play 20s you can play with your home/original club as loan is only for under 20 grade. Having used this rule to play 20s when my own club wasnt fielding at 20s i know this as fact.
If any under 18.5s are 18 years of age they can play 20s and adult without any application.
The lack of adjustment at other ages is because it isnt needed there while a change possibly was needed for the under 18 grade.

Quin_Dub

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I dont see the issue with this change even with the late notice. It should keep more playing the game this season at least. Under 16 shouldnt move to 16 and a half as on the year works best in nearly all cases. Its nearly a decade since most age groups were played off the middle of the year cut off dates and its been far better since the change(speaking from having played both July 1st and January 1st and coached at January 1st age groups)
And the lack of change at under 16 isnt an issue. Yes other provinces run under 17 competitions but nothing stopping clubs in Munster playing games at under 17 level if there is some of the younger players within under 18.5 level who are not up to playing that level.
An under 17 competition can be introduced in time. Better to change 18s first and then see if under 17 is necessary than to introduce both.
And if you go on loan to play 20s you can play with your home/original club as loan is only for under 20 grade. Having used this rule to play 20s when my own club wasnt fielding at 20s i know this as fact.
If any under 18.5s are 18 years of age they can play 20s and adult without any application.
The lack of adjustment at other ages is because it isnt needed there while a change possibly was needed for the under 18 grade.

That's historically been the case , but the instructions regarding the U18.5 change expressly forbid any player who is reclassified as U18.5 from playing U20's or above.


From the documentation

1) Applications by clubs must be in writing to the secretary of the rugby committee
2) All successful applications will be for the whole season
3) Players playing at U18.5 are not eligible to play at U20 or adult level
4) Players currently playing U20 will most likely not be considered

irishbucsfan

That's strange, I played my first 20s rugby while I was u18, there wasn't an issue (or maybe I just got away with it). Wonder why they're doing that, maybe 20s rugby has become much more physical and there are insurance concerns.

Quin_Dub

irishbucsfan wrote: »

That's strange, I played my first 20s rugby while I was u18, there wasn't an issue (or maybe I just got away with it). Wonder why they're doing that, maybe 20s rugby has become much more physical and there are insurance concerns.

U20's is considered "Adult" rugby (Youth/Schools ends at U19) and you are not allowed to move between the two.

You are also not allowed to play Adult Rugby (1st/2nd/3rds etc.) until you have reached your 18th birthday.

The younger U19 players (e.g. those born July-Dec 1999 this season) have been caught in no-mans land for a while now in Munster as they were too old to play youth , but not old enough to play Adult until potentially the end of December.

As a lot of Jnr clubs don't field at U20 these players either left those clubs and went elsewhere for 20's or they simply stopped playing rugby.

So , moving to U18.5 is a great idea in the broad sense but the timing of the change right now is fairly poor for a variety of reasons..

The Lost Sheep

Quin_Dub wrote: »

That's historically been the case , but the instructions regarding the U18.5 change expressly forbid any player who is reclassified as U18.5 from playing U20's or above.

From the documentation

Thats a shame for players suitable and capable of playing 20s.

irishbucsfan wrote: »

That's strange, I played my first 20s rugby while I was u18, there wasn't an issue (or maybe I just got away with it). Wonder why they're doing that, maybe 20s rugby has become much more physical and there are insurance concerns.

I did at 17 and there's always been 18s playing 20s. It most likely is insurance issue,

Quin_Dub wrote: »

U20's is considered "Adult" rugby (Youth/Schools ends at U19) and you are not allowed to move between the two.

You are also not allowed to play Adult Rugby (1st/2nd/3rds etc.) until you have reached your 18th birthday.

The younger U19 players (e.g. those born July-Dec 1999 this season) have been caught in no-mans land for a while now in Munster as they were too old to play youth , but not old enough to play Adult until potentially the end of December.

As a lot of Jnr clubs don't field at U20 these players either left those clubs and went elsewhere for 20's or they simply stopped playing rugby.

So , moving to U18.5 is a great idea in the broad sense but the timing of the change right now is fairly poor for a variety of reasons..

Yes you cant play adult until 18s and yes lots of junior clubs dont field 20s and more should be done like Connacht have done with regular blitz competitions at under 20 competitions for clubs and then these guys can then mix in with adult junior 1/2 competitions and if underage play 18.5s.
You can and have been able to move between the 2. Moving to 18.5s is great and the timing isnt poor as it will allow more to play at the age group.

irishfan9

Midlands defeated North East 31-12 today in Shane Horgan Cup
South East defeated Dublin Metro 45-25.

The Lost Sheep

Irish u18 squad for Portugal game next weekend
Thomas Ahern (Dungarvan RFC/ St. Augustine's Dungarvan)
Connor Beer (Bath Academy/Beechen Cliff School) IQ
Ben Daly (Waterpark RFC/Ard Scoil Na Mhara)
Joshua Dunne (Nottingham Academy/Denstone College) IQ
Marcus Hanan (North Kildare RFC/ Salesians College)
Paddy Harris (Wasps Academy/Henley College) IQ
Joe Henry (Wellington College) IQ
Hayden Hyde (Harlequins Academy/Cranleigh School) IQ
Karl Martin (Boyne RFC / St. Marys School Drogheda)


Padraig McCarthy (Bantry Bay RFC/ Colaiste Pobail Bheanntrai)
Paddy McKenzie (Wicklow RFC / East Glendalough School)
Oran McNulty (Bath Academy/Millfield) IQ
Chris Moore (Beechen Cliff School) IQ
Iarlaith Morrin Laheen (Galwegians RFC/Calasanctius College)
Conor Morrissey (Cork Constitution FC / Mayfield CS)
Shane Murphy (Skerries RFC / St Joseph's Rush)
Evan Murphy (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS)
Thomas Ahern (Buccaneers RFC/Coláiste Chíaráin)
Mark Nicholson (Wicklow RFC / Colaiste Chill Mhantain)
Conor O'Brien (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS)
Saul O'Carroll (Buccaneers RFC/Garbally College)
Kevin O'Connor (Cashel RFC/Cashel Community School)
Charlie Ward (Tullow RFC / Tullow Community School)

Quin_Dub

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Irish u18 squad for Portugal game next weekend
Thomas Ahern (Dungarvan RFC/ St. Augustine's Dungarvan)
Connor Beer (Bath Academy/Beechen Cliff School) IQ
Ben Daly (Waterpark RFC/Ard Scoil Na Mhara)
Joshua Dunne (Nottingham Academy/Denstone College) IQ
Marcus Hanan (North Kildare RFC/ Salesians College)
Paddy Harris (Wasps Academy/Henley College) IQ
Joe Henry (Wellington College) IQ
Hayden Hyde (Harlequins Academy/Cranleigh School) IQ
Karl Martin (Boyne RFC / St. Marys School Drogheda)


Padraig McCarthy (Bantry Bay RFC/ Colaiste Pobail Bheanntrai)
Paddy McKenzie (Wicklow RFC / East Glendalough School)
Oran McNulty (Bath Academy/Millfield) IQ
Chris Moore (Beechen Cliff School) IQ
Iarlaith Morrin Laheen (Galwegians RFC/Calasanctius College)
Conor Morrissey (Cork Constitution FC / Mayfield CS)
Shane Murphy (Skerries RFC / St Joseph's Rush)
Evan Murphy (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS)
Thomas Ahern (Buccaneers RFC/Coláiste Chíaráin)
Mark Nicholson (Wicklow RFC / Colaiste Chill Mhantain)
Conor O'Brien (Nenagh Ormond RFC/Nenagh CBS)
Saul O'Carroll (Buccaneers RFC/Garbally College)
Kevin O'Connor (Cashel RFC/Cashel Community School)
Charlie Ward (Tullow RFC / Tullow Community School)

Quite a few exiles in that squad..

Any idea when the schools side is to be named?

irishfan9

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Quite a few exiles in that squad..

Any idea when the schools side is to be named?

They probably wont name a schools side til training camp at christmas and even then they might not.

Quin_Dub

irishfan9 wrote: »

They probably wont name a schools side til training camp at christmas and even then they might not.

Schools are in camp this week in Kings Hospital - Was wondering if any squad would come out of that.