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A restoration tale (with pics)
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Christ, it could be a while before I get neaer that boat again. I went to Lidl (Carrick) yesterday to pick up one of their gazebo's, sold out! Went on cross country to Roscommon, sold out! It's not meant to be!
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you . . . . . Summer 2011
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I did up a boat in a pvc tunnel, a local farmer had one that the plastic had ripped off and was not been used so I asked him for a lone of a few poles off it, with 4 poles I was able to cover a 23 foot boat it was also well able to stand up to the wind where as I think it would be a nightmare with one of those tents.
Might be worth your while having a look around. This is the type I mean.
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I used plastic it was a bit warm on hot days but also a bit warm on cold days:D
If you could get your hands on some corrugated sheeting you could make a themporary shed but the plastic would be the cheapest. It was also able to open at each end to keep it cool on very hot days "back when we had summers"
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I wouldn't trust the old water line. Some joe just covered the bottom in black bitumen. I can level it side to side with a lath and a level. Bow to stern I'll do by eye I think.
If thats the same 'Joe' that did some of the repairs (can I call them that??) you found so far I wouldn't blame you.:D
Regards leveling it front to back there is a line (not sure if its a water line) in the 3rd picture of your first post. Might be a starting point??
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You could run 2 or 3 bits of string from one side to the other side along the white lines here at the side of the boat and tape them in place then run one from the transom to the bow and when it touches the other strings you should have a level floor line.:)
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Day 42
Coming up on tonight’s ‘A restoration Tale…’
Can the boat really be haunted?
A rare break in the wet and grey for the afternoon. My neck drugs are kickin ion so I’m off out to hack away at the money boat. Thought I'd cut me some seat panels. Well….the idea is to cut out access panels in the cabin seat tops. I will then try and line them someway and make lids or perhaps ply seat covers on hinges, whatever.
Now, in cutting out access panels, I was immediately reminded of the two repair patches on starboard bow that I never got round to investigating. Well it’s amazing how one job can not only lead to another, but become another – altogether. So…I’m no longer working on seat panels, I am now working on more hull repairs. One step up, two steps back (great song – Springsteen).
1. Now, what about my attention grabbing red top headline? We’ll I’m not saying that the boat is haunted one way or another, but all I know is that I went in and made a cup of coffee. I brought it out along with a plate containing 5, yes “Five” Jaffa cakes. I placed the plate down on the port side of the deck and went in to the cabin to do something. When I returned, the plate only contained 3, yes “Three” biscuits. Compelling evidence I think you’ll agree, I mean; what else could it be ?
2. Drawing lines and stuff, nothing in the boat is true, level or even etc; so reference points are hard to come by. The rectangles that you see on each side seat correspond to the inside of the glassed timber supports underneath, and even these do not mirror each other at all.
3. Every sodding pilot hole I drilled, went into timber, who knew?
4. I wonder when was the last time that bow hull saw daylight?
5. Just wanted to mention these. The sanding disks are 12 quid for a pack of 5 in my local hardware. Here is a pack of 25 for the same 12 quid from Amazon. I rest my case, who could buy anything in this crazy country anymore.
The torch is one I just bought to replace one I broke in anger when at the boat last week. I mention it because it could be the very thing for all boaters. Its a Lenser P7. Youtube it. It's one of the most incredible things I have ever owned. It arrived yesterday and I took it out last night for a trial. It was like artificial daylight. It lit up my entire neighbourhood. It has a beam focus, you can spotlight or wide area. It is so awesome. Serious little piece of kit, it also has low and high settings and aparently very long battery life. And it takes regular aaa's so you can buy rechargables etc. highly recommended.
5. And from the activity above, new horrrors. So much so, that I decided to film for a bit. Hope you find these interesting, let me know if its boring.
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Reading the updates to this thread religiously every night - Thanks and well done for the very interesting, entertaining and humoristic documentation of each and every step towards a soon-to-come successful and rewarding achievement !
Just a thought, now that you have opened up the bow, would it be an idea to keep it accessible in the future? There always are plenty of things on a boat you want to store somewhere and have no place to keep it.
As far as the colour scheme and naming of the boat, I suggest yellow and white. Yellow is always nice and cheerful on a boat. For the name, I suggest "Black Arrow" : Black for the Sligo colours and Arrow for the Lough ! Of course, these reasons in additional to the actual novel of adventure and romance (between your boat and yourself that is ! 
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The ghost ... is not that greedy really - he should really have taken the 5 Jaffa Cakes
I have to add I love the doggie - she is absolutely gorgeous !
Keep up the good work !
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Reading the updates to this thread religiously every night - Thanks and well done for the very interesting, entertaining and humoristic documentation of each and every step towards a soon-to-come successful and rewarding achievement !
Just a thought, now that you have opened up the bow, would it be an idea to keep it accessible in the future? There always are plenty of things on a boat you want to store somewhere and have no place to keep it.
As far as the colour scheme and naming of the boat, I suggest yellow and white. Yellow is always nice and cheerful on a boat. For the name, I suggest "Black Arrow" : Black for the Sligo colours and Arrow for the Lough ! Of course, these reasons in additional to the actual novel of adventure and romance (between your boat and yourself that is ! ).
The ghost ... is not that greedy really - he should really have taken the 5 Jaffa Cakes
I have to add I love the doggie - she is absolutely gorgeous !
Keep up the good work !
ValerieR
Well god bless ya Valarie. Its the silly season I guess and replies are thin on the grounf atm. Great to hear from you.
1. Opened up the bow, well opened up the seating. The whole point being to create access panels for accessing the space underneath for storage.
2. The ghost - who knows! All I can say is, If I hadn't returned when I did, the entire plate was history. But the dog is a she. Her name is Honey. Shes a rescue so I didn't name her. I brought her up from Kerry last year after posting a request on Irishdogs.ie. Shes a dote, highly intelligent and very vocal - loads of loud yawns, moans when I talk to her, snores, howls and kicks the door to get in etc. Shes a beauty, I love her dearly.0 -
2. The ghost - who knows! All I can say is, If I hadn't returned when I did, the entire plate was history. But the dog is a she. Her name is Honey. Shes a rescue so I didn't name her. I brought her up from Kerry last year after posting a request on Irishdogs.ie. Shes a dote, highly intelligent and very vocal - loads of loud yawns, moans when I talk to her, snores, howls and kicks the door to get in etc. Shes a beauty, I love her dearly.
LOL - it does sound very much like ours. He's a black lab-collie X and his name is Casper (a real ghost !!!
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I hope the day is as nice and sunny up there as it is promised here.
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You could run 2 or 3 bits of string from one side to the other side along the white lines here at the side of the boat and tape them in place then run one from the transom to the bow and when it touches the other strings you should have a level floor line.:)[/Quote
Just another thought on finding a starting point for levelling the deck. In some of your recent photos I noticed you can still see where the original seating was( just above Honey's shoulder in most recent photo ) the seats were prob level with original deck if you measure down from this line you would be very close if not spot on level. Save you the hassle of complicated conversions and filling the boat with water. How about "no hassle" for a name I'm feeling ironic today as I started a job that would only take two hours at nine this morning and I'm only half way through, did no trades man in this country have a level back in the boom times ducking ridiculous0 -
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Hi dnme, firstly like everyone else whos commented before me congrats on the work so far, I take my hat off to you. Having done various rebuild projects on cars/ campers etc in the past I know how difficult it can be to find the drive to keep going when your at it on your own day after day but there's a chink of light shining at the end of the tunnel as bright as your new torch:D. So now that i've offered up my tuppence woth of moral support I can only give you a suggestion or two for a name for your legacy of patience. I suggest "The Enemy Within" (dnme within get it?) or maybe An Namhaid for an irish twist. Anyway keep the faith and keep posting.
many thanks Zeb.
By the way folks, I mentioned in an earlier post that "I felt the hand of history upon us":cool: as the boat was now watertight for the first time since I got her. Well we're gonna have to take the hands off for a few days cos after last nights escapades, we're back to holes in hulls.
Also, there may be good news on the front windows issue. Waiting for a phone call tonight. Watch this space for breaking news:D0 -
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Your dog is a stunner, but whats with the life jacket? are you far out at sea?
Thank you ! I think he is a stunner too !!
Galway Bay can be big and wild ... we are assuming that if the dog went overboard, the life jacket would help him staying afloat. It takes a while with a (sailing) boat to manoeuvre back to a man-over-board (or dog-over-board in this case) especially in rough conditions ... Plus, it would be easier to pull a wet 35kg+ dog back on board with a handle on his back than just a regular collar.
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Day 43 - The Thief of Bagdad Ballinafad
Yesterday evening, myself and Honey took a spin up to our good neighbours the McDermottRoe's. Karl is a builder and I went to ask him if he might know where I could lay my hands on some scaffolding to try and make a shelter for the boat. Being the decent soul he is, he said I could use some of his. Many thanks again Karl if you’re watching.
Anyway, while there, Kay brought me in for a cup of tea. I left honey in the yard playing with their dog 'Guinness' (b/w sheepdog). I was chatting away to herself and Henry. She produces a cup of tea and a plate of homemade heaven. Whatever it was, I dunno but it was like a ginger cake packed with fruit and served in slices with butter. Kay is known for her baking and this thing was as good as home baking gets.
We shot the breeze for a half hour and then I upped and headed back out to retrieve my dog and head home. There in the yard by the back kitchen door (which had been open), was Honey, she was sorta savaging something. I looked down, in her mouth was half the cake, the rest of it was on the ground. She had obviously gone into the kitchen, up on the countertop and scarpered with the prize. I had to go back in and tell Kay. Talk about a mix of guilt, shame, wry smiles and sheepishness. I was truly humbled. Kay laughed it off. I did try to make good today with a shop bought confection......never be the same! Honey has brought shame to the family. :rolleyes::o:p:D:cool::eek::D
What?? ...... .. . . . Boat???? .... . . . . . .. . . oh yeah, ahem sorry!
Today was a minor update really in the story of this vessel. I just spent the day grinding (careful now). I was simply going to get in at the bow and repair those holes, but it then occurred to me that to do that, I would need to grind them clean, so why not do all the dam grinding in one go and get it over with. It’s such a horrible dangerous and unhealthy job that I want it done and out of the way.
I finished cutting out my access panels. To do this I just decided to ignore the constraints of the underside supports and design my panels from the top. As nothing was really true, I resorted to nature to find my measurements and lines. If you’ve never heard of the magic ratio, google it. Also when lacking precise reference points, always resort to tapers and curves, that’s what I did and I have to say, the side panels look very pleasing to the eye.
Once these were out and edges cleaned up, I was then able to get to that grinding I mentioned above. I ground out the entire cabin floor underneath all that seating. Years of old blue paint and crap. I found a big old lead fishing weight down there, the type you’d use for sea angling. So she must have been at sea in her past. It again occurred to me – the last time this grp saw daylight and all the history she has known since. If only she could talk, I’d listen to her for days on end.
So the cabin is ground clean. I also used the opportunity to start at the top of the seating. It’s a corrugated profile, horrible, awkward, caked in years of crap. I intend to grind it back a bit and fill it flat. So I got that grinding done tonight also. The grinder just ate up that corrugated profile like butter.
I gotta say one thing about that grinder. From here on in I am going to refer to it as “The Bitch”. It’s so dangerous, you have a disk spinning just by your hand at 11000 rpm. There is no guard. Your hands naturally tend to slip up along its body towards the disk. Today I put myself in so much danger trying to over reach in under that seating with this bitch ready to rip into my flesh at any given moment. While working on the bow, it slipped out of my hands. I just became aware of this crazy noise, clouds of dust and sparks as it danced around out of control and my brain struggled to find the solution - which was to get to the extension lead socket and unplug the thing. Why is it, whenever you’re in panic, a simple thing like unplugging a plug, takes ages and never goes smoothly! Mind you – I also have to say, the bitch is helping me sail through large volumes of work. If only I’d known about using it with those disks in the early days of this boat restoration, it would have saved me weeks of time spent with wire brushes, sanders, scrubbers etc. It’s doesn’t f’about, it just removes material at a very fast aggressive rate….so you gotta keep it moving, but by god it works.
1. Cutting out access panels. The magic ratio, curves and tapers along with some good measurements always make for an aestheticly pleasing design.
2. That was one busy boat today
3. More history, and old lead fishing weight under the seating.
4. before and after grinding, both taken today.
5. The bitch
6. The other bitch (ah my teen years, those were the days and I've invited her to the launch, ke ke ke ke)
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So when you say battens, you mean those thingy-ma-bob bits of yokes under the whatchyamacallit places where ya sit? is that it? huh?
Im ahead of you there, I'm planning to galss in/up new supports under the seating. as they are right now, they are elastic to the point of being fun! My access panel escape weakened them seriously but I knew that.
Upstand? threshold into cabin? The bulkhead goes across the floor (about 2-3" high) under door etc. .But the cabin and deck floor are the same height / piece of hull. My raised floors may be different heights, I'll see how it goes.0 -
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1. Do I try again with my own efforts? means spending another 70 quid on a new sheet of plastic, and making up another oven (have to purchase ply, insulation etc). Then what if the results are crap again which I fear they will be, it will have been more cash down the toilet.
2. Do I spend 300 with a fabricator who cannot guarantee the results? I just cant waste any more money on this issue.
3. Do I reshape the windows, glasss in the wraparounds and end up with reasonably regular rectangular (rrr:rolleyes:) apertures into which I should be able to make my own windows?
i agree companies in this country don't understand how to be competative.
as for the windows i know you originally tiried them in a homemade perspex oven, would a better option be to use the heat gun directly on the perspex, it'll be longwinded but the results may be better.
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option 3 should be banished, it'll totally change the look of the boat
I agree it would be like taking the headlights off a frogeyed sprite.:D
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gardoyle27 wrote: »as for the windows i know you originally tiried them in a homemade perspex oven, would a better option be to use the heat gun directly on the perspex, it'll be longwinded but the results may be better.
Gar, that was the first thing I tried, the worst results by far. The uneven heat causes distortion, region stretch, bubbling etc, no matter what way you try to operate the heat.I agree it would be like taking the headlights off a frogeyed sprite.
Have you tried these they do blow moulding http://www.futureplastics.ie/Moulding__/99
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Day 44
It was a strange day, at lunch it looked nice out at the lake but looking out the front windows showed threatening black cloud. It was a dead calm day, lake like glass the way I love it so if it did rain, it would be sure to hang around for a while. Well rain it did! And hang around it did. But I was in the cabin and relatively dry and comfortable. Not to mention that glorious sound of rain hitting your roof, making you feel even more altogether snug and sheltered.
I have decided to stop messing with todays post and have a go at making it into a tutorial on grp patching, repairing holes in boat hulls. Now I have read extensively on this, I have trawled youtube (which can be a good and bad thing) and so with my humble beginners knowledge, I have thrown together all the best practices and some of my own concoctions to suggest perhaps…..a good way to do these kind of repairs. I’d welcome your constructive comments on this.
So onward, as this is a tutorial, I have been prolific in my picture taking. I also put in a bit of video which serves no real purpose other than to mix things up. Enjoy.
Note. The csm I am using is compatible with epoxy as it is powder coated. Also, there is an image limit of 15 per post even using external image servers, so I have had to split this post/
1. Video introduction, setting the scene and showing the ground out damage area.
1. I drill holes at the end of each damage line, this prevents the crack from extending any further in the future.
2. I cut out any sharp edges and bad or contaminated grp. Here you can see, after a bit of grinding, I inspect and mark out the areas than need further grinding. You can't see much with the goggles so marking up helps.
3. The damaged areas fully grinded back to clean grp. I've tapered and feathered in forming a 3-4" border.
4. After sweeping and vacuuming up the dust, I clean the area thoroughly with acetone.
5. I need some clear sheets of plastic, so into my local pound shop.
6. I tape some clear plastic over the wound and trace out the hole.
7. I then take the clear sheet away and draw five more borders each one roughly following the previous about 6-10mm bigger. I will then use this to cut out my pieces of glass fibre cloth tracing and cutting both the cloth and clear plastic.
8. No ghosts today, biscuits left intact
9. Using the clear plastic sheet, I cut out all my patch pieces. Here I have four patches. I am going to patch each hole on both the inside and out. The outside patch consists only of two pieces, 1 x light woven roving and 1 x csm. This will sand easy and hopefully give the overall repair a more robust and secure finish.
Note that woven roving is a criss cross weave so gives optimal strength in only two directions. Therefore I cut each piece of cloth at varying rotations. When the pieces are combined, this gives me optimal strength in several directions. Mixing in a piece of csm also helps with this.
10. I mix up a small batch of epoxy and wet all mating surfaces (inside and out) thoroughly. Really dab this in heavy to get it into all the microscopic pits and lans on the old grp surface.
11. Now while the areas are left to get tacky, I wetout patches for the outside. The outer piece (bottom) is csm, then one piece of woven roving. It's wetted out on another sheet of clear plastic using epoxy mixed with white pigment, then rolled to remove any air etc.
12. The patches are presented to the holes, I leave the clear plastic sitting on the patch. I use my roller to press the mating edges.
13. I make up some backer plates using pieces of thin plywood wrapped in cling film so that they wont bond or stick to anything. I then cover each repair patch with the plates and support them with scrap battons. This is temporary, it serves to give me backing support when I start my repair work from the inside.
14. Now this is what I see from inside the boat.
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Day 44 (part b, continued from part a)
14a. This might give you a good context shot of my workspace.
15. I start applying and wetting out each piece. In this example, I am choosing to place the smallest piece first, it is often shown in the textbook being done the other way round (biggest piece first). Who knows, I think I prefer this way.
16. Wetting out each successively bigger piece of cloth over the repair area.
17. Wetting out each successively bigger piece of cloth over the repair area.
18. Wetting out each successively bigger piece of cloth over the repair area.
19. Wetting out each successively bigger piece of cloth over the repair area.
20. Finished wetting out the cloth. Time to give them a run with the roller to tighten and compress them, remove any air and excess epoxy etc.
21. I decide to cover the entire repair area in one large piece of csm. This will hide the two patches and add strength and stability to the repair and give me a nice sanding surface.
22. The cover csm wetted out with whitened epoxy
23. I give it a run with the roller, I place an old bin liner down first to prevent strand lifting (That csm tends to lift with the roller when tacky).
24. The interior of the repair from anothe rangle.
25. I go back out side and remove my plywood backers because I dont want flat spots in the repair when it sets up. This area of the bow is naturally curved so I opt to run strands of tape to hold the patch clear plastic sheets nicely in place using just a little tension. It probably doesn't even need this but just in case it did decide to sag.....etc. The lengths of tape support the repair and allow it to conform more to the natural shape of the bow.
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Excellent tutorial, great to see all the steps and the final job looking so well. It's nice to see the inside of the cabin now since you spent so long working outside. It really strikes me how big and airy the cabin is. And now you know the roof isn't leaking
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Hi Jack,
Many thanks for the post. Regarding money, it's a hit and miss thing with me. I am poor but happy. I don't drink or smoke so my only vice is this boat. I actually bought this boat for the experience of repairing it. If it never gets on the water I won't mind. I just love getting out there on a day and pottering about at it. I use it as a cure for various ills. Infact I'll be sorry when/if it gets finished.:)
If I need to purchase a sheet of some material, it's not really a problem. Also, epoxy.......I'm going through it like water. I update my supply about every 2 weeks from the crowd up north. They never have what I want in stock though. This week I wanted to bite the bullet and order an 11kg kit - not in stock. So I had to resort to another 3kg (quick hardner as they had no slow :eek:).
WRT windows, I am a perfectionist (to a degree) but I really am running out of options with these bitches.
Have a look at what this person did to get his windows (similar boat in UK). http://www.normanboats.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6373 Looks looks like the boat is taking part in some bondage S&M game:D (no offence grandad if you're watching)
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