Michael Lowry and his two fingers to the Irish people

oppenheimer1

ilovesleep wrote: »

FG's Alan Shatter is due to take in white collar crime laws. Hopefully it will help at getting justice against politicial gangsters, and their banking and developer mates and fairer ireland.

It will be too late then as Lowrys alleged corrupt activities would have taken place at a time when the new laws weren't in effect.

The other big reason why it would be difficult to prosecute him would be the difficulty in finding an unprejudiced jury. It could very easily be argued that due to media coverage, and the findings of the tribunal, that the population has been turned biased against him.

This doesn't make me happy, I'd like to see him get his comeuppance but I'm realistic about the way the wheels of justice turn in this country.

CommuterIE

The tribunal has cost the tax payer nearly €400 million... if these ****ers had a shred of decensy they would have come out with the facts! Instead of treating the Irish people like idiots

Cat Melodeon

rarnes1 wrote: »

Tipperary people are pretty thick

Degsy wrote: »

Inbred,bog-Irish halfwits.

Pdfile wrote: »

they have no electricity in Tipp, they only discovered the wheel tbvh

ilovesleep wrote: »

The new government should seriously consider a special tax on tipperary. Tax all in tipperary. Call it the tipperary tax. or stupidity tax. They might learn for the next election.

Amhran Nua wrote: »

Yes, people of North Tipp, we get it, most of you were bribed by Lowry doing local favours. The whole country may have suffered for it, but at least you got whatever extension on your house you wanted. Corruption works both ways.

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

... the people of North Tipp love a good whore.
Sickening, what the hell is wrong with these people?

Fack off the lot of yis.
How many times do ye have to be told that not everyone in Tipp voted for Lowry, some of us are busting a gut to get him out of public life here. Instead of blaming the 55,000 voters who didn't vote for him, why don't you do something constructive like join those of us who are lobbying for higher standards in public office. ANY person being paid out of the public purse who is found guilty of tax fraud should immediately lose their position and be barred from holding public office again, at any level. This issue affects more constituencies than this one - anyone who voted for Willie O'Dea or Bertie Ahern or Ivor Callelly or Jim McDaid or Haughey back in the day is just as stupid as those voters who continue to vote for Lowry. This is not just a North Tipp disease, much as you condescending idiots would like to believe it is.

feelingstressed wrote: »

Besides, the majority of his vote comes from Thurles.
...
Build your stupid wall around Thurles

Plenty of us in the Thurles area are NOT Lowry supporters. Build your stupid wall around stupid Lowry voters, let the rest of us get on with trying to salvage some bit of integrity for the area.

Dempsey wrote: »

Thing is, he is the one with the track record of getting things done for North Tipp out of what is a corrupt system. Hate the game not the player. People are probably voting him in based on the results he has gotten them, regardless of his crime of tax evasion.

The only difference between Lowry and the gobshíte you voted for is that he hasnt been caught.

But he was caught. We've known in Tipp for feckin ages that the man is a cheating tax fraud and have had suspicions for years about the rest of it. It sickens me that Lowry is one of my TDs. We should be able to vote against people as well as vote for them.

Shazanne wrote: »

But did you see the other choices on the North Tipp ballot paper???

No excuse. Kelly is grand even if some consider him as having flipflopped on being an MEP. Noel Coonan might be a nonentity, Hoctor might be incompetent, Morris might be a Shinner, O'Malley and unknown, Bopp a mini-Ganley, Clancy a right-wing prolifer, but ANY of them would be better than Lowry. NONE of them have been proven to be tax frauds. NONE of them have been the subject of multiple tribunals. NONE of them have cost the state millions. NONE of them have wormed their way in to respectable society and created such a loyal army of mé féiners who will continue to support him because he does their bidding. These people are a cancer and there is no cure at a local level for it, it has to come from legislation.

Dempsey

CommuterIE wrote: »

The tribunal has cost the tax payer nearly €400 million... if these ****ers had a shred of decensy they would have come out with the facts! Instead of treating the Irish people like idiots

Where did you get that number out of? :rolleyes:

CommuterIE

Dempsey wrote: »

Where did you get that number out of? :rolleyes:

erm... do you dispute that? In the 14 years?

Dempsey

But he was caught. We've known in Tipp for feckin ages that the man is a cheating tax fraud and have had suspicions for years about the rest of it. It sickens me that Lowry is one of my TDs. We should be able to vote against people as well as vote for them.

Doesnt matter if they are caught or not, the system is flawed and probably the only thing that Haughey/Lowry etc did was make the rest of the them cuter about their shady dealings. People seem to be waiting for people to be caught red handed before looking at the cut of our political system. Look at the report on the department of finance to see some of the biggest flaws, they also apply to other departments, that have existed for over a decade.

Shazanne

Maybe you would all take the time to read what Cat Melodeon has posted above. Then begin to concentrate your attention on the real issues here.
And make sure to look at some of your charming references to the people of North Tipperary - and apologise to the innocent ones you have insulted for what Lowry has done.

CommuterIE

CommuterIE wrote: »

Is this a simpleton approach, are you telling Dubs you cannot comprehend figures?? Do you understand the voting system??? I have asked for the nearest candidates count... I have yet to see it.... what about that eijit on morning ireland? Would you say Lowry has a hardcore group of supporters?

No that is his total ballot including transfers. He had 14,104 so do you understand the voting system? Yes he had a majority of the vote but what can the majority of the people do when he gets in?

the Italians keep voting Berlusconi or perhaps its an accident? perhaps you can now focus your ill informed snide opinions on them for a change.

Dempsey

CommuterIE wrote: »

erm... do you dispute that? In the 14 years?

Its €150m, do yer research before spouting numbers off the top of your head

Cat Melodeon

Dempsey wrote: »

Doesnt matter if they are caught or not, the system is flawed and probably the only thing that Haughey/Lowry etc did was make the rest of the them cuter about their shady dealings. People seem to be waiting for people to be caught red handed before looking at the cut of our political system. Look at the report on the department of finance to see some of the biggest flaws, they also apply to other departments, that have existed for over a decade.

I know what your saying but it absolutely does matter if someone is caught, or at least it should matter. People can justify their continued support for someone if there is no conviction/judgement - this has being going on in Tipp for years, it's all "poor Micheal, victim, begrudgers" etc etc. Well two tribunals and a judgment of tax evasion have shown the man to be corrupt. There are rumours and suspicions, but this is proof, the result of a lengthy judicial process. The man should be made to resign and no longer be allowed to stand for election.

mikemac

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

Plenty of us in the Thurles area are NOT Lowry supporters. Build your stupid wall around stupid Lowry voters, let the rest of us get on with trying to salvage some bit of integrity for the area.

Way to misquote me, I'd agree with your post!
I posted referring to all the Tipperary tax, no electricity, bog, inbred, idiot posts and called them on it.

And I called the "build a wall around North Tipp" stupid

All I posted was the majority of his support comes from Thurles which is true.
Hoctor/Kelly/Morris dominate Nenagh and the west and Coonan dominates Roscrea/Templemore so the North and East.
And of course there will be exceptions everywhere. Thurles isn't even the biggest town in North Tipp and they are not solely responsible for Lowry

Cat Melodeon

feelingstressed wrote: »

Way to misquote me, I'd agree with your post!
I posted referring to all the Tipperary tax, no electricity, bog, inbred, idiot posts and called them on it.

And I called the "build a wall around North Tipp" stupid

All I posted was the majority of his support comes from Thurles which is true.
Hoctor/Kelly/Morris dominate Nenagh and the west and Coonan dominates Roscrea/Templemore so the North and East.
And of course there will be exceptions everywhere. Thurles isn't even the biggest town in North Tipp and they are not solely responsible for Lowry

Apologies, I know you were referring to the earlier post, I was just pointing out for the benefit of the masses that it ain't just Thurles either, before it turns into a 'blame Thurles' thread.

mikemac

Cool, that's sorted so

That election thread over in Tipp forum was great, very active. And full of drama like the 300 missing posters
Politics in Tipperary is never boring anyway

Dempsey

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

I know what your saying but it absolutely does matter if someone is caught, or at least it should matter. People can justify their continued support for someone if there is no conviction/judgement - this has being going on in Tipp for years, it's all "poor Micheal, victim, begrudgers" etc etc. Well two tribunals and a judgment of tax evasion have shown the man to be corrupt. There are rumours and suspicions, but this is proof, the result of a lengthy judicial process. The man should be made to resign and no longer be allowed to stand for election.

I suppose it should but the reality is that it doesnt. People believe the system to be corrupt, the majority of people that are voting for him are cynical over the abuse of power by Haughey. Until the system gets an overhaul people wont care what politicans do as long as they deliver for them.

I've never met one of those people tbh. Its more, "he's the only one that has actually done something of note for people". I think he's alot of people in his pocket over getting the feile to thurles.

Tribunals arent worth a fúck tbh. 14 years of work to catch up what we've all been saying in the pubs back in 95. Its a glorified state handout to the top legal eagles of dublin.

Shazanne

It's a case of "blame the 14,000 voters who voted him in" - it can't be disputed that the majority of them are in the Thurles region (the figures prove that fact) but there are some other loyal supporters scattered across the rest of the constituency too. The people on this thread who have chosen to castigate all the people of North Tipperary are probably the narrow minded types who blamed every single priest in the country for abusing children. These type of people are ignorant and speak before they think. The people of North Tipperary who voted for Lowry have/had their reasons - the others had their principals. Let's just move on from all this at this stage.

Shazanne

feelingstressed wrote: »

Cool, that's sorted so

That election thread over in Tipp forum was great, very active. And full of drama like the 300 missing posters
Politics in Tipperary is never boring anyway

Never has been and never will be! And when the book is written in time Lowry will be just a chapter (albeit a very significant one) in the history of politics in this constituency!

ilovesleep

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It will be too late then as Lowrys alleged corrupt activities would have taken place at a time when the new laws weren't in effect.

The other big reason why it would be difficult to prosecute him would be the difficulty in finding an unprejudiced jury. It could very easily be argued that due to media coverage, and the findings of the tribunal, that the population has been turned biased against him.

This doesn't make me happy, I'd like to see him get his comeuppance but I'm realistic about the way the wheels of justice turn in this country.

I hope you are wrong.

Dempsey

ilovesleep wrote: »

I hope you are wrong.

You wont be able to find an adult in this country that doesnt already has a strong opinion on the case. Its all over the media for 14 years, I cant see it being any other way that what he described tbh

Cat Melodeon

Some of my neighbours are Lowry to the core. There is no talking to them. It's like a part of their brain doesn't function, the part that controls their sense of what is right and wrong. With them, it's an association that goes back to when Lowry served on the County Board, it's all about the GAA, Feile, money that was made back then. These are influential people, they give credit for everything that gets done around the place to Lowry whether he had anything to do with or not, and less clued in people believe the spin. There is a definite feeling about the place that he has been victimised and christ does he know how to play it up.

ilovesleep

Dempsey wrote: »

You wont be able to find an adult in this country that doesnt already has a strong opinion on the case. Its all over the media for 14 years, I cant see it being any other way that what he described tbh

Not only was I talking about Lowry, but also FF who many in the party were corrupt to the bone and used their power for their own gains. How are we supposed to have any faith in our country if there is no justice.

ilovesleep

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

Some of my neighbours are Lowry to the core. There is no talking to them. It's like a part of their brain doesn't function, the part that controls their sense of what is right and wrong. With them, it's an association that goes back to when Lowry served on the County Board, it's all about the GAA, Feile, money that was made back then. These are influential people, they give credit for everything that gets done around the place to Lowry whether he had anything to do with or not, and less clued in people believe the spin. There is a definite feeling about the place that he has been victimised and christ does he know how to play it up.

That is sickening

Cat Melodeon

ilovesleep wrote: »

That is sickening

More so when he's your TD too. :mad:

Spread

Lowry is a proven liar. "I've not got money in an offshore account". He later admitted to having four.
Lowry has no loyalty except to himself ...... as proven by the way he shafted his employer in his pre-TD days.
Lowry took an unusual view of faithfulness in his marriage vows.
Lowry, like most ruthlessly ambitious people, believes his own lies.
Lowry is a proven tax cheat. He paid €1.1 million in fines/interest.
Lowry admitted getting hundreds of thousands in loans. He probably believes that there ARE such things in business as 'free dinners'.
He pays back €250k just as the authorities start probing.
After watching the vids twice, O'Brien seems to be distancing himself ......
circling the wagons around the DO'B Corporation.
Lowry sounds like he is getting paranoid ........ people out to get him etc. Now, where did we hear stuff like that before?

ilovesleep

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

More so when he's your TD too. :mad:

Dont tell me about it. I had frank fahey for a long time - a prick with 40 properties

Dempsey

ilovesleep wrote: »

Not only was I talking about Lowry, but also FF who many in the party were corrupt to the bone and used their power for their own gains. How are we supposed to have any faith in our country if there is no justice.

When it gets to a scenario like Moriarty/Lowry, you dont and you loose confidence. Lowry isnt the first to ride the system and get away with it, way things are going, he wont be the last. I wouldnt be naive enough to think that people wouldnt try to take advantage of any system, some bend some break it. Putting it simple, its human nature. The solution is to have all the safeguards/accountability in place to prevent it from happening in the first place or at least make it as difficult as possible.

The Waltzing Consumer

Shazanne wrote: »

It's a case of "blame the 14,000 voters who voted him in" - it can't be disputed that the majority of them are in the Thurles region (the figures prove that fact) but there are some other loyal supporters scattered across the rest of the constituency too. The people on this thread who have chosen to castigate all the people of North Tipperary are probably the narrow minded types who blamed every single priest in the country for abusing children. These type of people are ignorant and speak before they think. The people of North Tipperary who voted for Lowry have/had their reasons - the others had their principals. Let's just move on from all this at this stage.

Jesus, let the people moan okay? It is not the most intelligent thing to blame all of north tipp but I don't think people really believe every man, woman and child is a lowry lover. People are just letting off some steam.

So no need for the "leave Tipperary alone!" shrieking.

Dempsey

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Jesus, let the people moan okay? It is not the most intelligent thing to blame all of north tipp but I don't think people really believe every man, woman and child is a lowry lover. People are just letting off some steam.

So no need for the "leave Tipperary alone!" shrieking.

Doesnt make it right to blame people blindly.

I think there is a ranting and raving forum somewhere, they can do that there

mikemac

Spread wrote: »

Lowry took an unusual view of faithfulness in his marriage vows.

Any more info on this?
I've done some google searches and find nothing

What's the issue with his marriage? Possibly it's well known but not to me, is he an adulterer?

Cat Melodeon

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

Some of my neighbours are Lowry to the core. There is no talking to them. It's like a part of their brain doesn't function, the part that controls their sense of what is right and wrong. With them, it's an association that goes back to when Lowry served on the County Board, it's all about the GAA, Feile, money that was made back then. These are influential people, they give credit for everything that gets done around the place to Lowry whether he had anything to do with or not, and less clued in people believe the spin. There is a definite feeling about the place that he has been victimised and christ does he know how to play it up.

I would be south tipp but know these sort of people. you see this man will get stuck into the smallest of causes to get votes and the way he sees it if one person tells 10 then the legend grows. im tired of arguing with some people that politics goes further then their front gate and they should concentrate on what he has taken from their pockets as opposed to the little jobs he is getting done. fact is there is wasters up that part like Michael Smith who have thrived for years and dont get me started on the 'Coogar' himself Coonan who nearly alienated Australia with buffoonery you wouldnt hear in a pub near throwing out time.

Dempsey

feelingstressed wrote: »

Any more info on this?
I've done some google searches and find nothing

What's the issue with his marriage? Possibly it's well known but not to me, is he an adulterer?

Ah come on! You havent heard about the mistress. I remember the big picture on the Sunday World of her standing at the front door of the house, huge story at the time when divorce wasnt allowed i think

He left mass early once too :pac:

ilovesleep

Dempsey wrote: »

I wouldnt be naive enough to think that people wouldnt try to take advantage of any system, some bend some break it. Putting it simple, its human nature.

To the tune of thousands and thousands though? While being negligent in their duties. To put it simply many many many people do not steal. Its outside of human nature. Its what animals do.

The Pontiac

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

This issue affects more constituencies than this one - anyone who voted for Willie O'Dea or Bertie Ahern or Ivor Callelly or Jim McDaid or Haughey back in the day is just as stupid as those voters who continue to vote for Lowry. This is not just a North Tipp disease, much as you condescending idiots would like to believe it is.
Plenty of us in the Thurles area are NOT Lowry supporters. Build your stupid wall around stupid Lowry voters, let the rest of us get on with trying to salvage some bit of integrity for the area.

Ivor Calley wasn't re-elected. He lost his dail seat in 2007. He also failed to get elected to the Seanad. Bertie subsequently elected him to the Seanad under his powers to select eleven members. He also elected that gobshíte Eoghan Harris at the same time. Harris had idolised Ahern for years, and still does. Willie O'Dea is one of the good guys of Fianna Fáil IMO. I agree with you on Bertie though. I guess people didn't care at the time, we were booming, and one of the richest countries in the world. Bertie certainly wouldn't have been elected this time round, hence why he didn't run for re-election. The guy is despised in Dublin, like the rest of Fianna Fáil. They only won one seat in Dublin. The remarkable thing about Lowry is - the more controversial he got, the more popular he became.

Nobody is saying it's all of North Tipp. We're just asking the question "How the fúck is this guy the most popular politician in the constituency"? Do you really and honestly think, if he were placed in Dublin South Central or Kildare North, he would have been elected? Do you think Joanathan O'Brien would have got elected in Dublin?

Dempsey

ilovesleep wrote: »

To the tune of thousands and thousands though? While being negligent in their duties. To put it simply many many many people do not steal. Its outside of human nature.

No it isnt.

You have to be schooled into not taking what you like. Its very much apart of human nature but we have been raised learning laws and ethics that control us not to do it

The Waltzing Consumer

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Jesus, let the people moan okay? It is not the most intelligent thing to blame all of north tipp but I don't think people really believe every man, woman and child is a lowry lover. People are just letting off some steam.

So no need for the "leave Tipperary alone!" shrieking.

There is every need for it. some of the stereotypical **** I've read on this thread its was high time for us Tipperary people to stand up for the county. there is oddballs being elected in every county. you only have to look at the hold Micheal Martin has over some of his people in cork and he got voted in despite being part of the most corrupt government in the history of the state. i wouldnt judge cork for it as they voted in Simon Coveney who i believe is a good man.

Dempsey

<Ollie> wrote: »

Ivor Calley wasn't re-elected. He lost his dail seat in 2007. He also failed to get elected to the Seanad. Bertie subsequently elected him to the Seanad under his powers to select eleven members. He also elected that gobshíte Eoghan Harris at the same time. Harris had idolised Ahern for years, and still does. Willie O'Dea is one of the good guys of Fianna Fáil IMO. I agree with you on Bertie though. I guess people didn't care at the time, we were booming, and one of the richest countries in the world. Bertie certainly wouldn't have been elected this time round, hence why he didn't run for re-election. The guy is despised in Dublin, like the rest of Fianna Fáil. They only won one seat in Dublin. The remarkable thing about Lowry is - the more controversial he got, the more popular he became.

Nobody is saying it's all of North Tipp. We're just asking the question "How the fúck is this guy the most popular politician in the constituency"? Do you really and honestly think, if he were placed in Dublin South Central or Kildare North, he would have been elected? Do you think Joanathan O'Brien would have got elected in Dublin?

Why those two constituencies specifically??

Trying to avoid the Ahern and Haughey comebacks?

feelingstressed wrote: »

First I've heard of this
I know he is a lier, crook, tax cheat and criminal.

But I never, ever knew he was an adulterer :eek:

Lowry ticks every box :pac:

mikemac

<Ollie> wrote: »

He also elected that gobshíte Eoghan Harris at the same time. Harris had idolised Ahern for years, and still does.

Eoghan Harris supports whom ever is in power.
It's FG and he was supporting FG before the election.
Come next election and it's somone else he'll support them. He is no more then a whore!

Deleted User wrote: »

there is oddballs being elected in every county. you only have to look at the hold Micheal Martin has

Not a FF voter but I'd say Micheal Martin is one of the better ones in the Dail.
Now for oddballs you could have said Jim McDaid or Beverly Cooper Flynn but I would not say Michael Martin is an oddball.

(edit, I can type fadas on a mac but don't know how to in Windows)

The Pontiac

Deleted User wrote: »

There is every need for it. some of the stereotypical **** I've read on this thread its was high time for us Tipperary people to stand up for the county. there is oddballs being elected in every county. you only have to look at the hold Micheal Martin has over some of his people in cork and he got voted in despite being part of the most corrupt government in the history of the state. i wouldnt judge cork for it as they voted in Simon Coveney who i believe is a good man.

Coveney was only elected on demographic grounds IMO. The weakest link in the cabinet. Another sad state of Irish politics when a guy 'automatically' wins his father's seat. At least Micháel Martin was/is one of the few who had absolutely no family connections to the party.

The Pontiac

Dempsey wrote: »

Why those two constituencies specifically??

Just picked two examples of the Dublin (and Kildare) region, where I believe the electorate got it right. An extraordinary FF in Dublin vote with only one seat. Sinn Féin also did very bad in Dublin.

The more rural you go, the more bemusing it gets. Even Fianna Fáil did very well in Cork.

I believe Dublin people are more clued in and I'm from Cork. That's the only conclusion I can come to. Fianna Fáil winning only one seat in Dublin with a third of the population of the country, with another nineteen FF seats divided between the remaining two thirds of the country. A truly incredible statistic.

ilovesleep

Dempsey wrote: »

No it isnt.

You have to be schooled into not taking what you like. Its very much apart of human nature but we have been raised learning laws and ethics that control us not to do it

That does not give politicians the right to steal over the rest of us.

jt69er

starviewadams wrote: »

Yes,but we didnt re-elect an obviously corrupt,morally bankrupt politician to represent us.

The name Bertie Ahern ring a bell ?:rolleyes:

Spread

feelingstressed wrote: »

Any more info on this?
I've done some google searches and find nothing

What's the issue with his marriage? Possibly it's well known but not to me, is he an adulterer?

Hey, are you sure you're not Lowry - very apt nom de plume
Try googling Geraldine Mahon in tandem with the cheat

mikemac

Seriously, I've never heard these claims about the mistress

As for my username, I wish I had his money and his house!

And even with our very active election thread over in Tipp forum last forum nobody mentioned this at all and that was a huge thread

WillyWaggler

But he fixed the road!!

Dempsey

<Ollie> wrote: »

Just picked two examples of the Dublin (and Kildare) region, where I believe the electorate got it right. An extraordinary FF in Dublin vote with only one seat. Sinn Féin also did very bad in Dublin.

The more rural you go, the more bemusing it gets. Even Fianna Fáil did very well in Cork.

I believe Dublin people are more clued in and I'm from Cork. That's the only conclusion I can come to. Fianna Fáil winning only one seat in Dublin with a third of the population of the country, with another nineteen FF seats divided between the remaining two thirds of the country. A truly incredible statistic.

The biggest fallout of the recession was in the capital and therefore the biggest anti-FF sentiment is there. Doesnt make them more clued in about politics at all, they voted for the most iconic political crooks in this states history. Lowry is very much an outlier.

ilovesleep wrote: »

That does not give politicians the right to steal over the rest of us.

I never said it was right, it was an observation based on what happens everywhere in every walk of life.

Dempsey

feelingstressed wrote: »

Seriously, I've never heard these claims about the mistress

As for my username, I wish I had his money and his house!

And even with our very active election thread over in Tipp forum last forum nobody mentioned this at all and that was a huge thread

Had a snigger at that :pac:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/EX-MINISTER+IN+SPANISH+FLING+WITH+BLONDE+PAL%3B+LOWRY+ADMITS+MARRIAGE...-a061125323

vampire of kilmainham

CommuterIE wrote: »

People will say, well how corrupt can one get?

Ladies and Gentleman, I give you Michael Lowry!!!

I think it was extremely galling of him dismiss the Moriartys tribunals report... this is the guy who recieved money from Ben Dunne (£250,000 at the time) for an extension on his house... he denied that payment back then to the teeth and was proved guilty and "seriously corrupt". He has now been proven guilty in relation to payments he recieved prior to awarding the mobile phone licence to his good friend Dennis O'Brien. Why do people in Tip keep voting him ffs??

Can we get this scumbag out of office and in jail at some stage?? :mad:

i cant see him ever being sent too jail or any of the rest of the corrupt politicians or buisnessmen iam affraid it's one law for the rich and another for the poor as it has allways been..:mad::mad::mad:

vampire of kilmainham

Funkfield wrote: »

He should be blasted in the face with piss!

blasted in the face with buck shot god dont get me started:mad::mad::eek::eek:

vampire of kilmainham

he'd get it in the ass if he was sent to prison heheheh he could write a book then called i was the bitch in the basement:P:P:eek::eek:

The Pontiac

Dempsey wrote: »

The biggest fallout of the recession was in the capital and therefore the biggest anti-FF sentiment is there. Doesnt make them more clued in about politics at all, they voted for the most iconic political crooks in this states history. Lowry is very much an outlier.

I don't agree with that theory at all. Cork has been equally devastated by the recession. So how come four FF tds got elected there?

The whole country is effected. The whole construction business has collapsed. Do you know how many people were employed in this industy and the effect it had on local businesses? Local tool hire companies, local shops where the builders would buy two breakfast rolls and two large sambos every morning. They'd buy a commercial vehicle from their local garage every few years. Shops have closed down all over the country. Landscapers all over the county can't get work atm and when they can, they can't paid. Tradesmen from all over the country are emigrating. Agriculture is also a very competitive business. Why is Dublin suffering the greatest?

Dempsey

<Ollie> wrote: »

I don't agree with that theory at all. Cork has been equally devastated by the recession. So how come four FF tds got elected there?

The whole country is effected. The whole construction business has collapsed. Do you know how many people were employed in this industy and the effect it had on local businesses? Local tool hire companies, local shops where the builders would buy two breakfast rolls and two large sambos every morning. They'd buy a commercial vehicle from their local garage every few years. Shops have closed down all over the country. Landscapers all over the county can't get work atm and when they can, they can't paid. Tradesmen from all over the country are emigrating. Agriculture is also a very competitive business. Why is Dublin suffering the greatest?

Thanks for pointing out the recession and its affects, I wouldnt have known only for you. They are suffering more based on the fact of the very high percentage of the total population that lives there.

I equally reject that Dublin is more clued into politics based on what you perceive as a good outcome of the elections. Fact remains that the biggest crooks in Irish politics came from Dublin and got re-elected despite their corruption.