Fake WW2 stuff on adverts.ie

MedalFuhrer

ani_mal wrote: »

but mind your words people, it can creat so much damage and unnecessary "word violence"..

I think that it's more of a case of mind your words that you put in your advert as they clearly give the impression that it is from WW2. And that can create so much false advertisement and "people getting ripped off"..

Spocker

HerrScheisse wrote: »

Anyway, false advertising, whether accidental or not, puts the seller in direct breach of the Consumer Protection Act of 2007. And additionally leaves the seller open to redress by the buyer for sums up to 500 euro in the small claims court.

Just to clarify this point, as it's incorrect (in this case). The Consumer Protection Act, which brought about the National Consumer Agency, oversees business-to-consumer transactions. Likewise, the Small Claims Court is only for consumer-to-business transactions that are in dispute.

Transactions on Adverts.ie are in the majority person-to-person (where the above does not apply), unless you are purchasing from a merchant/shop (where the above does apply) - traders are indicated buy the "shop" graphic.

ani_mal is a private seller/person in this case, so please don't quote legislation when it does not apply.

We see similar threads on the Adverts Support forum, and always recommend that 'caveat emptor' apply. We do however, much appreciate threads like this where greater knowledge of the the subject matters helps myself and the other Adverts Moderators. However Morlar, you should just report the ad, with the relevant information so we can deal with it, rather than posting on the ad itself.

Morlar

I think it's useful to keep a catalogue of bad items & sellers.

The reason for that is so that newer members will have a better idea of who is who, and what is what.

It is better all out in the open and in one place in my view. Otherwise ads come and go, then same or similar items are re-posted months down the line (either by the same or different sellers) and new people come along and have nothing to go on other than the sellers incorrect/dishonest description. This thread is a good example, if you go back a page or two you will see identical 'Decal wristwatches'.

I think this thread is a good resource for militaria buyers.

Dr Strange

Morlar wrote: »

I think it's useful to keep a catalogue of bad items & sellers.

The reason for that is so that newer members will have a better idea of who is who, and what is what.

It is better all out in the open and in one place in my view. Otherwise ads come and go, then same or similar items are re-posted months down the line (either by the same or different sellers) and new people come along and have nothing to go on other than the sellers incorrect/dishonest description. This thread is a good example, if you go back a page or two you will see identical 'Decal wristwatches'.

I think this thread is a good resource for militaria buyers.

Morlar, I don;t think Spocker was talking about not to discuss the ads here on thread in this forum. Rather, s/he said you should not respond on the ad itself on adverts.ie but just report it there. You can always highlight questionable ads here on thread and we can freely discuss them here.

Spocker

What Preusse said there is absolutely correct; do please go right ahead and discuss the ads as you wish, but we (the Adverts Mod) would prefer if ads were just reported for our attention, so we can deal with them, rather than posting on the ads themselves.

We also have tools at our disposal to find and weed out duplicate accounts

MedalFuhrer

Morlar wrote: »

I think it's useful to keep a catalogue of bad items & sellers.

The reason for that is so that newer members will have a better idea of who is who, and what is what.

It is better all out in the open and in one place in my view. Otherwise ads come and go, then same or similar items are re-posted months down the line (either by the same or different sellers) and new people come along and have nothing to go on other than the sellers incorrect/dishonest description. This thread is a good example, if you go back a page or two you will see identical 'Decal wristwatches'.

I think this thread is a good resource for militaria buyers.

I agree. Being relatively new to this hobby this is the type of thread that is invaluable. And there is no point in beating around the bush possibly allowing someone to get shystered in the meanwhile. Get it out in the open and point at the shysters and their wares.

colblimp

ani_mal wrote: »

talk behind my back here.

How can it be behind your back when it's, ummmm, in the public domain?! Surely if it was behind your back, you wouldn't be able to see it?

Wibbs

MedalFuhrer wrote:

I agree. Being relatively new to this hobby this is the type of thread that is invaluable. And there is no point in beating around the bush possibly allowing someone to get shystered in the meanwhile. Get it out in the open and point at the shysters and their wares.

+1000 and on the subject of watches if ye ever need an opinion then the folks on the watches forum hereabouts are pretty knowledgeable and would be happy to help out.

ani_mal wrote: »

opinions opinions.. yes everyone has them..

Well my opinion as a collector of German military watches for many a year is that any of these watches looking like this one are 100% fake, not from WW2(late 40's at best). If it has decals on the dial this means fake, end of.

danpatjoe

Another cross to avoid...

http://www.adverts.ie/memorabilia/1939-german-iron-cross-1st-class/1113431

The seller has sold a lot of good stuff in the past, and has other good items at the moment, but to judge by the asking price, I presume he knows it's a reproduction. Why not state this in the description?

arnhem44

Who's the Nosey Nobhead???

http://www.adverts.ie/memorabilia/1939-german-iron-cross-1st-class/1113431

danpatjoe

arnhem44 wrote: »

Who's the Nosey Nobhead???

http://www.adverts.ie/memorabilia/1939-german-iron-cross-1st-class/1113431

That would probably be me. I guess that he didn't take kindly to my comments about his fake cross. :mad:
Oh well, he's re-worded the ad slightly and reduced the price by €10.

I'm sorry to say, after this, I have decided to abandon adverts.ie completely.
My last few (militaria) sales threads have had abusive and time-wasting comments added (admittedly, removed quickly by the Mods), but at this stage, I just can't be bothered anymore.

arnhem44

I see the advert is gone.It's hard lines though that some sellers on adverts take so poorly to advice or discussion about their items.I think if I had something listed up there and someone would give me some pointers if the item wasn't OK then I'd take it happily on board.Maybe the dishonesty factor comes back into it for some.

danpatjoe

arnhem44 wrote: »

I see the advert is gone.It's hard lines though that some sellers on adverts take so poorly to advice or discussion about their items.I think if I had something listed up there and someone would give me some pointers if the item wasn't OK then I'd take it happily on board.Maybe the dishonesty factor comes back into it for some.

I don't think it was the discussion factor he took exception to, as he has quite a lot of medals for sale and sold, so I have no doubt he knew the value of a genuine EK1, so by asking €75 for it we can assume that he knew it was a repro.
I wasn't rude in any way with my comment, I just asked him to declare it as a reproduction in his description (which at the time gave no indication that it wasn't genuine).

Lazarus2.0

danpatjoe wrote: »

Another cross to avoid...

danpatjoe wrote: »

Oh well, he's re-worded the ad slightly and reduced the price by €10.

I'm sorry to say, after this, I have decided to abandon adverts.ie completely...

Apologies for the delay in replying on this thread . I removed that ad as I found the edit to be intentionally disingenuous - it may have been allowed to run (without the seller's abusive comment for which they received a warning) if they had even stated the item might be a reproduction .
That begs a question though - on adverts we disallow replica items across all categories . Is there a market for replica/reproductions within the Militaria community and if so is it a market you collectors would largely approve or disapprove of ?

danpatjoe , it always irks me to see bona fide adverts users even consider abandoning the site . That said , I'm aware of what you've had to put up with recently so can certainly understand why you'd prefer to buy and sell elsewhere . I hope you reconsider but either way thanks for the time and help you have afforded us - it's truly appreciated .

Dr Strange

nessyguin wrote: »

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That begs a question though - on adverts we disallow replica items across all categories . Is there a market for replica/reproductions within the Militaria community and if so is it a market you collectors would largely approve or disapprove of ?
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Thanks for your post nessyguin. It is a tricky question re: replicas/reproductions. There are certain circumstances when collectors buy replicas/reproductions, e.g. if there are very rare pieces and they cannot afford an original or an original is not even available as they are in a museum etc. These museum reproductions are usually marked though and sold as such. In some cases collectors may concentrate on uniforms and regalia and if displaying uniforms (as I have often seen) on manequins some collectors tend to fit them with replica decorations/medals/insignia rather than placing the original medals on them.

Some also use replicas as temporary fillers until an original becomes available.

Another example is to own some replicas of a particular decoration so you can use it as comparion pieces when faced with doubtful medals (I concentrate on a particular area of medals and usually obtain an example of each current replica out there to keep up with the "fakers"). Now, there is also the problem with description. If someone labels their items as replicas or museum reproductions then they are not fake as they are clearly labeled and produced for a certain clientel .

A fake item on the other hand is particularly produced to deceive the collector looking for a genuine item and is offered as original.

Morlar

I agree with Preusse on that. I think that there is a market for replica items provided they are clearly marked as such. They serve primarily as gap filers until the money can be put together for the real thing and also by re-enactors who may want to look the part.

Dr Strange

Just noted this seller's items and he does state he doesn't know if they are original or not (at least on one of the items). Out of curiosity I was wondering what you think of the items here:

http://www.adverts.ie/1135463

and here

http://www.adverts.ie/1146217

Morlar

Preusse wrote: »

Just noted this seller's items and he does state he doesn't know if they are original or not (at least on one of the items). Out of curiosity I was wondering what you think of the items here:

http://www.adverts.ie/1135463

and here

http://www.adverts.ie/1146217

I was just coming to this thread to add them to it. In my view they are fakes.

A:


B:

ollaetta

The General Assault Badge is so bad it's ridiculous. To be fair to the seller he's not asking a lot for it but it's barely even worth that.

Could be way off but I'd imagine that an authentic 50 class General Assault Badge would be worth at least a four figure sum.

danpatjoe

And from the same seller, a truly awful copy of a Pilot Badge...
but again, at least it's priced as a repro.

http://www.adverts.ie/coins-notes/medal-collectors/1151199

Morlar

Is €55 not a very high price for a repro piece of tin ?

Also this seller is repeatedly selling items without mentioning the little fact that they are not real.

arnhem44

I was thinking the same thing about the price,55 euro is high for repo items.

Wibbs

And another watch http://www.adverts.ie/mens-watches/german-u-boot-watch/1150186 Defo not a Kriegsmarine item anyway. Looks like the usual eastern european recased pocket watch with a cheap cardboard redial. In fairness the seller isn't exactly positively claiming it's one.

Morlar

I know this one is not adverts.ie fakes but an ebay fake - I thought it would be interesting/funny to post it up here.

Current price on ebay €191 Euro and rising. A WW2 photo album composed of re-enactor photos :

http://www.ebay.de/itm/foto-album-2-weltkrieg-/320813268333?pt=Militaria&hash=item4ab1f5fd6d





This is one of the pictures from a different source

Dr Strange

What a jewel of a crappy item. Unbelievably, it has 4 bids on it already. Poor buyer.

arnhem44

I just had a look and the listing has been removed,no doubt it will be back up over the coming days.Ebay is awash with fakes and replica items,I've noticed a lot of fake EK's being sold from Germany lately and the sellers giving the usual in their listings.Some saying original and others saying there not sure,if you have any doubt then one check of there feedback will reveal that there either selling the same thing week in week out or if there feedback is private then it normally suggests that they might be hiding something.Better still is to post a link to the item onto a forum like here for example and get other opinions on the item.Sadly though the bottom line is with a worldwide market there's always some inexperienced person out there who will take the plunge and buy these type of things not knowing there fake and lets face it we've all probably done it at one time or another ourselves.