N40 - New route number for Cork South Ring Road?

spacetweek

MYOB wrote: »

There are still countless road markings with N numbers where they were changed to M

It even says this on the bloody M50. "N8" and "N9" are still mentioned, though they don't exist.

ardmacha

It even says this on the bloody M50. "N8" and "N9" are still mentioned, though they don't exist.

Really? When did they re-designate the Glanmire bypass?

L1011

ardmacha wrote: »

Really? When did they re-designate the Glanmire bypass?

About two years ago.

However, there's still N8 along the Tivoli DC.

spacetweek

MYOB wrote: »

About two years ago.
However, there's still N8 along the Tivoli DC.

Tiny sections of N8 and N9 remain but they are about 1% of the route. Not worth mentioning on Dublin's ring road 100s of km away.

niloc1951

Ssssshhhhh
Let's not mention the 2.5Km advance warning notice for the JLT on the westbound carriageway of the N25 (nr. Little Is.)which has been sitting between the 1Km and the 500m signs for the past umpteen years and let's wait and see if they move it to its correct place, that is 2.5 Km's before the tunnel as part of the current 'updating project' ;)

https://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=51.904639,-8.372151&spn=0.003806,0.009645&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.904482,-8.372606&panoid=eLlv4wRnvb5tpihiyMXOKQ&cbp=12,227.41,,1,3.4

Jayuu

spacetweek wrote: »

Tiny sections of N8 and N9 remain but they are about 1% of the route. Not worth mentioning on Dublin's ring road 100s of km away.

Except that there are a few signs on the M50 which mention the N6, the N8 and the N9. A couple of examples below.

https://maps.google.com/?t=h&z=13&layer=c&panoid=9gJRI8Zh9hJX2ad7WFiWVQ&cbp=12,292.26,,0,2.72

https://maps.google.com/?t=h&z=13&layer=c&panoid=Uvk4t7pQowvXQdZJ15IP2w&cbp=12,337.27,,0,-7.27

L1011

spacetweek wrote: »

Tiny sections of N8 and N9 remain but they are about 1% of the route. Not worth mentioning on Dublin's ring road 100s of km away.

I thought the tiny bit of D2AP at the end of the M9 was actually the N24?

There's quite a lot more N8 left than that, even if it isn't.

Most of the M6, etc, signs on the M50 are from before the motorways were completed.

Jayuu

The section of road between the 2 roundabouts at Waterford is the N9.

The only reason that I can think that it was left this way is so that signage can continue to refer to the N9 with Dublin as the primary destination and then Limerick and the N24 as a secondary destination as in the example below.

https://maps.google.com/?t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.280355,-7.148574&panoid=CV1jW1ythjB1LR8lzlPHbA&cbp=12,42.82,,0,14.27

If the section of road had been reclassifed at the N24 then all the signage would have to list Limerick as the primary destination and Dublin as the secondary.

Maybe there's another better reason for this. If there is I wish somebody would post it so that I can understand it. Personally it seems to make no sense to have a national primary route that's about 500 metres in length.

Solair

They were doing the overhead gantry signage near Mahon Point exit last night.

DerMutt

New signs in both directions on the Bloomfield Interchange went in last night. Not only did they put up the N40 on the way in from Carrigaline but they seem to have changed the one on they way out too. It certainly looked cleaner, maybe simplified, not sure.

The gantry signs on the way from Douglas towards the magic roundabout have been removed so I presume the new ones will go up tonight or tomorrow night.

etchyed

Jayuu wrote: »

The section of road between the 2 roundabouts at Waterford is the N9.

The only reason that I can think that it was left this way is so that signage can continue to refer to the N9 with Dublin as the primary destination and then Limerick and the N24 as a secondary destination as in the example below.

https://maps.google.com/?t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=52.280355,-7.148574&panoid=CV1jW1ythjB1LR8lzlPHbA&cbp=12,42.82,,0,14.27

If the section of road had been reclassifed at the N24 then all the signage would have to list Limerick as the primary destination and Dublin as the secondary.

Maybe there's another better reason for this. If there is I wish somebody would post it so that I can understand it.

I'm presuming that the N24 is supposed to meet the N25, making the short section of road to which you refer a multiplex (to use the silly roadgeek term) of the N9 and N24. Multiplexes are signed as just one route, generally the most important of the routes sharing the road. Hence, this section is signed N9.

I know that's basically what you said, but your reasoning for it was slightly different. It's not a conscious decision made by someone on the basis of what they'd like the signs to say, but rather a pretty comprehensive adherence to the rules of the system.

Personally it seems to make no sense to have a national primary route that's about 500 metres in length.

But that's not how the system views it. It's simply a short non-motorway section of a much longer route.

Now, what doesn't make sense at all is the existence of signs in Waterford pointing to the N9. This is where a more pragmatic signage policy would make sense, whereby if there's a short non-motorway section of a road (perhaps under 5km) before a long motorway section, it should be made clear on all signage that really, you're heading for a motorway. Especially as, in this case, the alternative route (R448) is not accessible from this roundabout.

marno21

Signage outbound at Victoria Cross has had mentions of N25 changed to N40 and also reflects that the road between Victoria Cross and the Sarsfield Road Roundabout is now a regional road (ex. N71)

Only annoying thing is that the signs read (N71-N8..). Why not M8?

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

Only annoying thing is that the signs read (N71-N8..). Why not M8?

Nitpicking here, but it's probably because technically the M8 doesn't start until 600 metres north of Dunkettle roundabout. It's N8 before that. Not a good reason to put it on the sign though.

marno21

spacetweek wrote: »

Nitpicking here, but it's probably because technically the M8 doesn't start until 600 metres north of Dunkettle roundabout. It's N8 before that. Not a good reason to put it on the sign though.

All of the gantries eastbound on the N40 read Eastbound / Dublin (M8) / Waterford (N25). The M8 will also start at Dunkettle when it's upgraded, which is a lot nearer to when these signs were put up than to when the gantries were put up.

spacetweek

marno21 wrote: »

The M8 will also start at Dunkettle when it's upgraded, which is a lot nearer to when these signs were put up than to when the gantries were put up.

Yea that's right actually - forgot about that.

Chris_5339762

TECHNICALLY (very nitpicky) they are all wrong as the motorway redesignation orders only apply 600m north of Dunkettle northbound. But then any road inescapably leading to a motorway must be a motorway so it de-facto has to be (we'll ignore the oddity that is the N10). Bit of an odd one but not as bad as when they put M6 signs all the way to the Coolagh roundabout on the Galway ring road and they had to take them all down again

vince

Isnt the road from dunkettle interchange into town called the N8

marno21

vince wrote: »

Isnt the road from dunkettle interchange into town called the N8

Yes. But it doesn't make sense for someone at Victoria Cross (who is leaving the city centre) to drive all the way back around to the city centre via the R649, N40 and back onto the N8. The road accessed from there is the M8, none of which is M8.

The 400m north of Dunkettle affects the southbound carraigeway only, the northbound carraigeway is motorway from the interchange.

Chris_5339762

marno21 wrote: »

The 400m north of Dunkettle affects the southbound carraigeway only, the northbound carraigeway is motorway from the interchange.

Unofficially yes, and quite rightly signed like that on the ground, but on the motorway redesignation order, no.

Irish_rat

charlemont wrote: »

Cool.

The M50 was build as a motorway and Dublin is a large city whereas Cork is really only a regional city, The SRR as it is has too many junctions and also has the Douglas viaduct with no hard shoulders,

80,000 AADT says otherwise.

Hogzy wrote: »

Lack of a hard shoulder at the Douglas flyover

Some of the motorway network has no hard shoulder particularly on viaducts, the M7 Nenagh bypass upgrade on one of the bridges (Mysterious did insist :P ) and the botched tie-in job at the M18 Newmarket-on-Fergus bypass. I'd imagine there is several other examples.

Anyway we were ridiculously worked up about having M status all over the country before. In reality the big corporations will know exactly the kind of infrastructure that is available when considering investing. There is an argument for a M40 however, it protects the current route to an extent from additional local access.

Carawaystick

Irish_rat wrote: »

Some of the motorway network has no hard shoulder particularly on viaducts, the M7 Nenagh bypass upgrade on one of the bridges (Mysterious did insist :P ) and the botched tie-in job at the M18 Newmarket-on-Fergus bypass. I'd imagine there is several other examples.

Anyway we were ridiculously worked up about having M status all over the country before. In reality the big corporations will know exactly the kind of infrastructure that is available when considering investing. There is an argument for a M40 however, it protects the current route to an extent from additional local access.

Some of the M50, and M1 have no hard shoulder. the bit of the M1 with no hard shoulder has a 120 limit too.

I couldn't see anybody getting planning permission to add an access to the N40

Irish_rat

True, just amazing the level of traffic on the N40 now.

97K recorded on it from a 24hr period last month.