Munster v Leinster, Saturday 2nd April, 19.30. **Mod Warning. Read OP**.

ShamoBuc

jolley123 wrote: »

So basically what your saying is Munster in the second-half were better than Leinster in the first-half???

.... munster better overall!!

eg points out of ten :First Half Leinster 6 Munster 4. Second Leins 3 Munster7 overall Leinster 9 Munster 10. OVERALL , I think Munster were the better team.

Disclaimer: the above figures are not officially, or in any way an accurate, portrayal of events and cannot or should be taken as such in a case of opininated difference on the internet or either in written or oral format.

Quint2010

"Rog showed why he's still the master. Congratulations to Munster on their one-in-a-row. Am drinking to it here in Limerick tonight. We'll have to make do with another Heineken Cup."-R.O.C.K.

Hear hear..:)

Risteard

Back from the match. Fantastic atmosphere, great stuff from ROG on the last kick.
First half was poor enough, but really upped our game in the 2nd half. Earls started getting more ball and was challenging the Leinster defense. Defense was solid as well, particularly enjoyed him putting Heaslip into touch.

One thing that frustrated me though was that on two occasions, once in each half, Munster had a 4 on 1 overlap where if they just let it out they would have walked in but the forwards just kept taking it up.

Thought Murray played well and Coughlan played out of his skin.

Hope POC's injury isn't too serious but it looks to be the opposite.:(

Bogsnorkler

We REALLY need centres.

Have we one fit centre? (other than the bosh brothers)

ambid

Just back from the match. Well done Munster, you deserved it this time.

Great match, great stadium, great players. Great day to be Irish.

durkadurka

RuggieBear wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK7yZyv9V64

Hopefully just looks much worse than it is.

Hard to see what happened, he seemed to land funny on the ankle, hope it's not serious

uriah

Quint2010 wrote: »

"Rog showed why he's still the master. Congratulations to Munster on their one-in-a-row. Am drinking to it here in Limerick tonight. We'll have to make do with another Heineken Cup."-R.O.C.K.

......to equal munsters two Heiniken Cups.

All great runs begin with one win.

jolley123

ShamoBuc wrote: »

.... munster better overall!!

eg points out of ten :First Half Leinster 6 Munster 4. Second Leins 3 Munster7 overall Leinster 9 Munster 10. OVERALL , I think Munster were the better team.

Disclaimer: the above figures are not officially, or in any way an accurate, portrayal of events and cannot or should be taken as such in a case of opininated difference on the internet or either in written or oral format.

Fair enough your opinion.
I just felt the second half let the game down. Not much continuity, the game seemed to get stale and the refs poor display didn't help the game as a whole.
To have thirteen penalties scored in a game is just something I find un-interesting. Where the crowd might cheer when the ref sticks out his arm, I'm just sighing as I know I'll have to watch a minute and a half of someone lining up a kick.
I found the first-half better to watch. because at least there was some good passages of back-play and the ONLY try of the game. It's probably just a case of you watching the match with red goggles on, and me watching it with blue ones.

ShamoBuc

Risteard wrote: »

Back from the match. Fantastic atmosphere, great stuff from ROG on the last kick.
First half was poor enough, but really upped our game in the 2nd half. Earls started getting more ball and was challenging the Leinster defense. Defense was solid as well, particularly enjoyed him putting Heaslip into touch.

One thing that frustrated me though was that on two occasions, once in each half, Munster had a 4 on 1 overlap where if they just let it out they would have walked in but the forwards just kept taking it up.

Thought Murray played well and Coughlan played out of his skin.

Hope POC's injury isn't too serious but it looks to be the opposite.:(

you should be in a pub - talking how munster will win the HC next year singing " we all dream of a team of O'Gara's, a team of O'Gara's":D

copacetic

didn't get to see the game, but happy enough, sounds like we had a good hard fought game and came out with a narrow loss. No injuries for Leinster so in good shape for next week?

You are always going to come out the bad side of the decisions in an away game like this, it's called home advantage for a reason. Does sound like we failed to manage the ref very well.

Did Munster look like scoring any tries?

ShamoBuc

jolley123 wrote: »

Fair enough your opinion.
I just felt the second half let the game down. Not much continuity, the game seemed to get stale and the refs poor display didn't help the game as a whole.
To have thirteen penalties scored in a game is just something I find un-interesting. Where the crowd might cheer when the ref sticks out his arm, I'm just sighing as I know I'll have to watch a minute and a half of someone lining up a kick.
I found the first-half better to watch. because at least there was some good passages of back-play and the ONLY try of the game. It's probably just a case of you watching the match with red goggles on, and me watching it with blue ones.

Firstly - 13 pens is uninteresting, but if ye won by a point how uninteresting would it really have been?

Secondly - very true, how about we make a deal! We'll both watch the next game with Red Goggles on and there won't be a problem:D

jolley123

Despite the fact that it hurt to lose as a Leinster fan, there are a heap load of positives to take as an IRISH fan

1.It looks like there will be 3 Irish side in the ML finals.
2.Leinster and Ulster have a chance of taking the HC
3.Munster have a chance at taking the Amlin
4.Murray and Jones look like real prospects.
5.Fitzgerald didn't have a shocker.
6.Wallace has kept the form he found against England

and finally 7. Even though Munster held their own in the scrum, not one person was foolish enough to suggest that Buckley should replace Ross.

POC's injury is the obvious negative.

durkadurka

And noone suggested sexton was a moron for missing a touchline conversion

sock puppet

durkadurka wrote: »

And Boone suggested sexton was a moron for missing a touchline conversion

That bastard. Never liked Boone anyway.

durkadurka

I'm an iPhone retard. Fixed nOw!

Roanmore

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Huge amount of positives for both teams:

Leinster played really well in the first half, couldn't have asked for better preparation for the Leicester game. On top of that they'll be pissed off, fully expect them to muller Leicester and win the HC outright.

Munster finally,finally found some self belief. Regardless of the ref's help we can kick on and win both comps that we're still in.

Going to be a great year for Irish provincial rugby.

See you all on Monday when the ban sticks have been re-sheathed

Think this is the best post of the night. Leinster will love the intensity of this game in preparation for next weekend. Munster will love it just for winning. Not the best quality of rugby but great great intensity from both sides.

Magnum

What a fantastic game, the atmosphere at Thomond was both fantastic and electric, well done Munster...

Roanmore

jolley123 wrote: »

Despite the fact that it hurt to lose as a Leinster fan, there are a heap load of positives to take as an IRISH fan

1.It looks like there will be 3 Irish side in the ML finals.
2.Leinster and Ulster have a chance of taking the HC
3.Munster have a chance at taking the Amlin
4.Murray and Jones look like real prospects.
5.Fitzgerald didn't have a shocker.
6.Wallace has kept the form he found against England

and finally 7. Even though Munster held their own in the scrum, not one person was foolish enough to suggest that Buckley should replace Ross.

POC's injury is the obvious negative.

Didn't see this one before my last post, this is now the best post of the night:D

Time for bed

Monty Burnz

duckysauce wrote: »

that welsh commentary is far better that Nuggents:D

That's not Welsh, that's Scottish Gaelic. It's basically a dialect of Irish.

Monty Burnz

Actually, looking at it again, it could have been a knee ligament injury for O'Connell.

tolosenc

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Actually, looking at it again, it could have been a knee ligament injury for O'Connell.

Nah, he was sent for an x-ray. The trainers were holding his foot and he was practically biting down on his knee. Could well be a broken ankle. Anyone know what the recovery time usually is from something like that?

CouchSmart

tolosenc wrote: »

Nah, he was sent for an x-ray. The trainers were holding his foot and he was practically biting down on his knee. Could well be a broken ankle. Anyone know what the recovery time usually is from something like that?

6 - 8 weeks.

If it's a simple break.

Podge_irl

Leinster have no one but themselves to blame. 20-9 up and comfortably the better team up until that point and not able to close out the game. You can debate the ref's decisions all day (and I thought he was quite poor), but Leinster should never have let themselves get into a position where it mattered. Only scoring 3 points in the second half is evidence of them playing stupid rugby in the wrong parts of the pitch.

Good lesson ahead of next week.

CouchSmart

From a Leinster point of view I'm pretty disappointed in the backrow. On paper they seemed way ahead of Munster's but they weren't up to much. They weren't bad or anything, they're just usually much better. We're really missing Jennings.

Thought our centre's could have offered a little more too. I know we didn't have much ball but there was ground to be made running at an out of position Murphy. Would've liked to see the wingers coming looking for some work more often too.

We've definitely learned more losing than if we'd won, so it's not all bad. It wasn't the first time we've fallen asleep in the second half but it better be the last.

amacachi

No. of tries should be the first decider of a match.

digzy

ahhhhhhhhhhh get in rog!!!!!!!

ya munster fcukin ledge:)

profitius

Having watched Leicester earlier they scrapped to a win against a poor Quins side. The standard of the AP is not very good and the intensity of the Munster match will benefit Leinster.

I thought Leinster started out ok. They took Munster on up front and were patient and waiting for openings before they spread the ball wide. In the second half it was headless chicken stuff. Twice they got pushed over the line to give a throw to Munster. They went too wide too early and therefore allowed Munster to close down the space. They were going wide into heavy traffic too lots of times and got driven back.

Luckily they'll have a week to fix the problems and will play with a better balance against Leicester.

Fishtits

It seems that Munsters game plan worked, just...

Whatever. It was a fantastic match.

Both can go forward from here.

phog

I was at the game and have only seen it live but here are my thoughts on it.

wicklowdub wrote: »

Great Try - well done Shaggy

The space for Isa was created by Coughlin being blocked by SOM

tolosenc wrote: »

Was it me or were Munster up very quick for the conversion?

9 - 14

25 mins gone.

Not sure about how quick they were up on it but I was in the East terrace and you could hear the breathing from the players as they charged down the conversion, they seemd to be well up to try and distract Sexton and it seemed to have worked.


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[Jackass] wrote: »

bahahahaha scrum fu*king demolished, ref says ok, nacea makes run up is first tackler ahead of everyone else in blue, penalty red, offside, after a lineout that looked straight being called crooked

FUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK YOOUUUU REFF!

not rolling away you absolute fuc*king moron..

Leinster ball

even wardy is saying it...

uggh

scrum destroyed again, nothing.

Isa, kicked ahead the players never retreated - penalty Munster seemed ok call
Crooked lineout, only saw it on big screen but to me Leo, caught it over his left shoulder, usually indicates a crooked throw.

Some of the scrums it seemed Ross wasn't binding properly, in one in particular, Healy dipped his knee on the ground then drove up to disrupt the scrum, I think Munster were penalised in that one, cant remember now

Deleted User wrote: »

Nacewa puts every single one of his players onside after his kick and referee whistles it?

No he didnt, the palyers must retreat 10m.

[Jackass] wrote: »

Well there you go ref, took about 10 kickable penos to beat us you cnut.

What about the SOB blocking Coughlan for Shaggy's try? Tuitupou being penalised when Luke went to ground, even though it was a slip?

RMD wrote: »

That refereeing in the second half was pure and utter shíte, he made some ropey calls in the first half effecting both sides but in that second half? Ref isn't up to refereeing a senior cup game.

Fair play to Munster though, they certainly turned it around in the 2nd half and piled on the pressure.

and...

Conas wrote: »

The ref??? Well he gave the home team everything. .

His decisions affected the scoreboard on both sides.

CouchSmart wrote: »

Looks like a compound fracture for POC. Puts a downer on the whole game.

Would seriously doubt it was a compound fracture (isnt that where the bone breaks through the skin) if that happended he'd have been stretchered off and may even needed oxygen.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Any idea why the ref was granting them these penalties? Hookers and cash back in the hotel I guess? :rolleyes::)

Perhaps Leinster were committing fouls, that's the usual reason why refs award penalties against a team.

wixfjord wrote: »

The offence for the first was kicking the ball away. Now the ball was at least 50 yards away, so no chance of a quick one, so where was the offence?
The second I'm referring to was Leinster not being back ten yards. Now he waited about 3 seconds, the crowd roared, and he put his arm up, and imo it was at best a very very contentious decision.
Will rewatch, but as I say, a stronger ref would have reacted differently.

The ref had his back to Sexton so it was probably a call by one of the A/Rs.
Were they back 10 meter? If not whats wrong with the ref penalising them?

BTW, Have a Leinster crowd ever tried to influence a home decision?

copacetic wrote: »

Did Munster look like scoring any tries?

Several times but Leinster managed to give away a penalty without the ref reaching for a YC :eek: We had 9 kicks at the post the majority were in the red zone and no YC. BOD's YC was out on the halfway line, strange that the ones in the red zone didnt get the same punishment.

Christ.

Ban me for a week please. Thank you.

LuckyLloyd

Sandwlch wrote: »

Respect? Sexton expects the normal background nose of a crowd. Thomond inflict their spooky silence thing under the 'respect the kicker' spin. Very unfair those unused to kicking Thomond style. Even Ryle mentioned it on hos commentary this evening that it is a weapon used by Munster at home. Respect my @!*@.

lol

Podge_irl

phog wrote: »

Not sure about how quick they were up on it but I was in the East terrace and you could hear the breathing from the players as they charged down the conversion, they seemd to be well up to try and distract Sexton and it seemed to have worked.

Thought they started their run up a smidgeon before Sexton started his run-up, but was a close run thing.

phog wrote: »

Isa, kicked ahead the players never retreated - penalty Munster seemed ok call

No he didnt, the palyers must retreat 10m.

Surely they only have to begin to retreat until Nacewa runs past and puts them all onside?

phog wrote: »

Crooked lineout, only saw it on big screen but to me Leo, caught it over his left shoulder, usually indicates a crooked throw.

That lineout was miles crooked.

CouchSmart

phog wrote: »

Would seriously doubt it was a compound fracture (isnt that where the bone breaks through the skin) if that happended he'd have been stretchered off and may even needed oxygen.

Indeed it is. Meant spiral fracture, pretty much a crack in the bone. I doubt he'd have been allowed walk with any type of break so here's hoping.

thebaz

dont know what happened to leinster in second half , just didnt show -

despite another awful referee, who once again seams to enjoy the sound of his own voice , rather than doing his job, an enjoyable game , despite the result .


p.s. in this professional era, i assume refs get paid ? (not insinuating by one side :rolleyes: ) - or do they still do it for love of game (with expenses ) ?


and hope POC is fit fairly soon , we need him for WC , big time

phog

Podge_irl wrote: »

Surely they only have to begin to retreat until Nacewa runs past and puts them all onside?
.

No, they must retreat 10m from the ball, players outside the 10m of where the balls lands are put onside by Isa coming up level with them.

Podge_irl

phog wrote: »

No, they must retreat 10m from the ball, players outside the 10m of where the balls lands are put onside by Isa coming up level with them.

Fair enough, I genuinely haven't a clue so will take your word for it. Seems like a rather silly mistake to make.

Micky Dolenz

Sacramento wrote: »

I hate those kids shouting as the kickers kick, I don't want it to creep into rugby at all.

Just back from the game. In the ground it sounds silent, so the TV must pick up noises I couldn't hear. Besides that, we won a game we probably had no right to win. Fair balls to Munster for hanging in there and limiting Leinster scores in the second half.

Good banter at the match tonight and more than a few Leinster supporters wishing us luck in the Amlin Cup :P

Conas

Judgement Day wrote: »

Get over it, the better team won on the night.

No the better team weren't in top gear as they have a more important match next week. We didn't want to risk injury so we had to go lightly against Munster, and we still should have won. We were robbed by the ref. Enough said.

Podge_irl

Conas wrote: »

No the better team weren't in top gear as they have a more important match next week. We didn't want to risk injury so we had to go lightly against Munster, and we still should have won. We were robbed by the ref. Enough said.

Leinster could have won just fine if they hadn't spent the entire second half in their own half.

Conas

Conas wrote: »

No the better team weren't in top gear as they have a more important match next week. We didn't want to risk injury so we had to go lightly against Munster, and we still should have won. We were robbed by the ref. Enough said.

In terms of excuses, that's amongst the flakiest going.

We played a solid game that deserved a win, and only for a few strange decisions it would've been a different result.

Decision makers were the Leinster players themselves, and the man in the yellow.

Point was raised about people taking the wrong option when they realised that we were getting a raw deal from the man with the whistle, its a very valid point. If the guy is getting on top of you for something, stop giving him a chance to do so.

Some bizarre decisions by our players, and by the lad with the whistle, and the scoreline would've been a different story.

That being said ifs and buts wont win you a thing but bitterness.

Roll on next week

phog

Deleted User wrote: »

In terms of excuses, that's amongst the flakiest going.

We played a solid game that deserved a win, and only for a few strange decisions it would've been a different result.

Decision makers were the Leinster players themselves, and the man in the yellow.

Point was raised about people taking the wrong option when they realised that we were getting a raw deal from the man with the whistle, its a very valid point. If the guy is getting on top of you for something, stop giving him a chance to do so.

Some bizarre decisions by our players, and by the lad with the whistle, and the scoreline would've been a different story.

That being said ifs and buts wont win you a thing but bitterness.

Roll on next week

You're ignoring the fact that some of the refs decisions cost Munster as well.

madds

CouchSmart wrote: »

Indeed it is. Meant spiral fracture, pretty much a crack in the bone. I doubt he'd have been allowed walk with any type of break so here's hoping.

Looks to me like POC's left foot landed on McLaughlin's as he came down and he twisted it badly. I'd say (and hope) that all he's done is strain some ligaments and will be out for 3-4 weeks.

Hats off to Munster on a great performance this evening. Great to see them get their mojo back. Exactly the game Leinster needed ahead of Leicester's visit next Sat.

phog

phog wrote: »

You're ignoring the fact that some of the refs decisions cost Munster as well.

no I'm not.

phog

Deleted User wrote: »

no I'm not.

Hard to counter argue with that.

The better team won on the night

profitius

Conas wrote: »

No the better team weren't in top gear as they have a more important match next week. We didn't want to risk injury so we had to go lightly against Munster, and we still should have won. We were robbed by the ref. Enough said.

No need to blame the ref so.

antogz1979

Leinster take your beating. Leicester will destroy ye. Not good enough, O'Driscoll desreved everything he got

swan82

As a Leinster fan,I dont know what we were doing in the second half.I thought it would be a rout after the first half,most people probably did.
Although I did predict a Munster win before the match.

A few things pissed me off though,obv the ref.Whatever about the decisions I thought he ruined the first 30 minutes for the fans,trying to stamp his authority.

The rte punditry and Commentry team were a biased joke.You would swear you were watching Munster.com tv.
Ryle Nugent erupting with orgasms every time Rog's hairs blew in the wind while Ward was hoovering up his sloppy seconds.

Another was the fact this is hailed as a spectacle.It was a ****e game where the winning team didnt score a try and apart from intensity the match had little else,error strewn and headless chicken stuff at times.

The NZ u20 side would probably have wiped the floor with either side tonight.

This is the reason we in the NH are destroyed by the SH teams,we are happy with peno fests where crowds delight in drop goals etc.

Worst part of the night was POC going off,so bad for Irish rugby and unfortunately it looks like he has done some serious damage

antogz1979

Conas wrote: »

No the better team weren't in top gear as they have a more important match next week. We didn't want to risk injury so we had to go lightly against Munster, and we still should have won. We were robbed by the ref. Enough said.

Ban him, immediatly.Leinster were in top gear, for this match. They got shoved around and couldn't cope. This match was far more intense than anything leicester can offer. Leicester by 10 unfortunatly

antogz1979

antogz1979 wrote: »

Ban him, immediatly.Leinster were in top gear, for this match. They got shoved around and couldn't cope. This match was far more intense than anything leicester can offer. Leicester by 10 unfortunatly

does not compute.
if Munster were 1 point better tonight, and the Leicester game will be less intense, Leicester will be 10 point winners?

IngazZagni

Deleted User wrote: »

does not compute.
if Munster were 1 point better tonight, and the Leicester game will be less intense, Leicester will be 10 point winners?

anto is anti-leinster so he prob meant leinster, not leicester.

Munster needed that win for the sake of the rivalry but Leinster would've liked to build up momentum for next week. Newxt week is still up in the air. It will all depend who shows up on the day.