Lowry and Moriarity

Max Powers

It was disappointing to see the supporters of a guilty corrupt TD show him support last week. I was full sure the message going out around the country at the election was that corrupt, self-serving representatives would not be tolerated anymore. Have we changed at all? I hope this was a tiny group who frankly dont know their ar$e from their elbow. If we dont change our views on corrupt politicians, we are destined to repeat the same mess we are in now. I think the people of Tipp should be coming out demanding Lowrys resignation.

Dymo

To be honest I don't really care, this happened 14 years ago, and a lot has happened since then to clean things up. If it happened now it would be a different story.

Lowry got kicked out of Fine Gael years ago where as if it was a FF TD he would probably of got a promotion.

People from North Tipp are used to all these accusations about Lowry (I'm not from there) but he still gets work done and Lowry Land is another example, I bet most TD would give there right arm to have a development like that in their constituency.

Max Powers

Yes it happened 14 years ago and we all know he was a crook since then. It is relavant though as we could end up paying the rival companies who lost the contract. That Lowry Land thing is fantasy, first off, they wont be able to get the money (no one can in this climate), the area is not near a population centre and has poor transport links.

Getting back to core issue, i would have thought the good people of North Tipp would be coming out saying we dont want a crook like this representing us anymore especially when the country needs all TDs working honestly for the betterment of the country, not get land rezoned, etc

Ash.J.Williams

Dymo wrote: »

To be honest I don't really care, this happened 14 years ago, and a lot has happened since then to clean things up. If it happened now it would be a different story.

Lowry got kicked out of Fine Gael years ago where as if it was a FF TD he would probably of got a promotion.

People from North Tipp are used to all these accusations about Lowry (I'm not from there) but he still gets work done and Lowry Land is another example, I bet most TD would give there right arm to have a development like that in their constituency.

"getting work done" around Tipp is not supposed to be his job anymore. He is a td and should be working for the good of the nation. This was the change we were supposed to be voting for.

They were trying to drill this point into healy rae last night on frontline...he looked very confused trying to get his head around it.

rmacm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

"getting work done" around Tipp is not supposed to be his job anymore.

It was never supposed to be his job in the first place (or any TD for that matter), granted I suspect I'm preaching to the converted saying this

Cat Melodeon

Max Powers wrote: »

I think the people of Tipp should be coming out demanding Lowrys resignation.

Personally I have sent a letter asking him to resign. Beyond that, there is not much else can be done - there is no process for removing an elected TD beyond waiting for the next election. He has too many loyal supporters for public censure to have any effect.

And if you start preaching to 'the people of North Tipp' on here, you won't have much effect. No Lowry supporters declared their presence on the election thread during the campaign; it's unlikely they'll engage now. The rest of us North Tipp boardsies have been in despair over the Lowryites for years, no point complaining to us. We tried to change the guard this last election and managed to get rid of FF for the first time since the constituencies formation - that was an achievement. It will be harder to get rid of Lowry though, people still believe he 'gets things done' for North Tipp. I've yet to see anything he has done that wouldn't have been done anyway by existing public processes.

SARZY

Just watched him on the web for the past hour.

His defence is similar to the defence once uttered on a comedy show by none other than the great Bart Simpson himself.

It goes like this," I didn't do it, Nobody saw me doing it, You can't prove it."

Its perfect that Lowry and Bart are singing from the same hymnsheet.

Because it is a comedy and Lowry would win an Oscar.

Many others have made great defences in Parliaments only to be brought down later.

tippspur

He should resign,he's a crook.hopefully the CAB will get something on him.

Nevermind_

Dymo wrote: »

People from North Tipp are used to all these accusations about Lowry (I'm not from there) but he still gets work done and Lowry Land is another example, I bet most TD would give there right arm to have a development like that in their constituency.

Do you actually believe this is going to be built now?
Can you imagine how it will look if the only casino gambling license in the country is awarded to Lowry's constituency? And laws are changed to allow it?

The fact that Lowry is involved has now become the projects single biggest liability.
It has become tainted by association

blue5000

Max Powers wrote: »

It was disappointing to see the supporters of a guilty corrupt TD show him support last week. I was full sure the message going out around the country at the election was that corrupt, self-serving representatives would not be tolerated anymore. Have we changed at all? I hope this was a tiny group who frankly dont know their ar$e from their elbow. If we dont change our views on corrupt politicians, we are destined to repeat the same mess we are in now. I think the people of Tipp should be coming out demanding Lowrys resignation.

Who says he is either guilty or corrupt? Do you think the ppl of Louth should have voted in Gerry Adams?

If Micheal Lowry stands for re-election I will vote for him again along with at least 12,000 of my fellow constituents, he has suffered enough.

No one is talking about all the legal eagles (vultures) who have bought a second house in West Cork with their tribunal earnings.

Nevermind_

blue5000 wrote: »

Who says he is either guilty or corrupt? Do you think the ppl of Louth should have voted in Gerry Adams?

If Micheal Lowry stands for re-election I will vote for him again along with at least 12,000 of my fellow constituents, he has suffered enough.

No one is talking about all the legal eagles (vultures) who have bought a second house in West Cork with their tribunal earnings.

I suppose you have forgotten all about this as well ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKK8eAlASy4

Budgie29

blue5000 wrote: »

Who says he is either guilty or corrupt? Do you think the ppl of Louth should have voted in Gerry Adams?

If Micheal Lowry stands for re-election I will vote for him again along with at least 12,000 of my fellow constituents, he has suffered enough.

No one is talking about all the legal eagles (vultures) who have bought a second house in West Cork with their tribunal earnings.

He is a tax cheat, has taken cash from businessmen and has lied to the Dail. North Tipp, the capital of gombeen redneck Ireland. You wont find too many morals down there. No wonder the country is in the state its in.

Max Powers

blue5000 wrote: »

Who says he is either guilty or corrupt? Do you think the ppl of Louth should have voted in Gerry Adams?

If Micheal Lowry stands for re-election I will vote for him again along with at least 12,000 of my fellow constituents, he has suffered enough.

No one is talking about all the legal eagles (vultures) who have bought a second house in West Cork with their tribunal earnings.

there is loads of talk about disgracefully paid tribunal lawyers but its not relevant to what we are talking here. Just so you know, he was found guilty in the tribunal of acting corruptly. Ben dunne built an extension on his house also, was that a act of genorosity on dunnes behalf? If you vote for a person like lowry, you are voting to keep this country in the state it is in, TDs will never learn until people demand proper high standards from our representatives.

blue5000

The main reason I vote for Micheal Lowry is because I'm expressing my democratic right to vote for who I want in the dail.

Secondly I vote for him because it's the nicest way I can give 2 fingers to my jumped up second cousins who live in south co dublin, or dublin 4 who think they are far superior than the rest of us.:P

MonsterMob

blue5000 wrote: »

Secondly I vote for him because it's the nicest way I can give 2 fingers to my jumped up second cousins who live in south co dublin, or dublin 4 who think they are far superior than the rest of us.:P

says it all really....

Cat Melodeon

blue5000 wrote: »

The main reason I vote for Micheal Lowry is because I'm expressing my democratic right to vote for who I want in the dail.

Secondly I vote for him because it's the nicest way I can give 2 fingers to my jumped up second cousins who live in south co dublin, or dublin 4 who think they are far superior than the rest of us.:P

Yes, you have a democratic right to vote for whoever you want. Giving a vote to a confirmed liar and tax cheat simply because it will annoy people in other constituencies is a bit strange though. As a fellow North Tipp voter, I really don't understand you or other people who voted for Mr Lowry. You all talk about the great things he has done for 'us'. Could you possibly list 5 things he has done that would not have been done by state processes in any case (eg the building or schools, granting of medical cards etc). And I mean things in recent history (ie since the election in 2007) not ancient stuff like Feile and Semple or Tipp Institute. I am not aware of anything he has done that has positively affected the lives of people in general in North Tipp. As far as I can see, all he has done is cast a slur on the reputation of the constituency as a whole and show us up to be incapable of demanding high standards of honesty from our representatives.

So, 5 positive and honest things, if you can, please.

littlesthobo

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

I really don't understand you or other people who voted for Mr Lowry.

No fan of Lowry. I live( don't have a vote) in North Tipp and you'd be hard pressed to find someone worthwhile to vote for down here in the last election. You can say all you like about him but he gets results and is seen to deliver and he got voted in on the back of that.

Bear in mind aswell that all this happened 14 odd years ago, maybe he's changed:)

JabbaTheHut

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

So, 5 positive and honest things, if you can, please.

I'd be very interested in seeing this too. I'm a South Tipp voter, and kinda assumed he did things in North Tipp, and thought that was why he got re-elected time and time again. I'm not throwing stones, (we have Mattie, after all), just interested in seeing some of the responses to that question

Kristopherus

blue5000 wrote: »

The main reason I vote for Micheal Lowry is because I'm expressing my democratic right to vote for who I want in the dail.

Secondly I vote for him because it's the nicest way I can give 2 fingers to my jumped up second cousins who live in south co dublin, or dublin 4 who think they are far superior than the rest of us.:P

With delusions like that there will surely be a big Casino in Lowry Land:D:D:D

1966

Cat Melodeon wrote: »

So, 5 positive and honest things, if you can, please.

- OK - just to give you a head-start...............

1. Attended recent wedding....
2. Attended neighbours funeral.....
3. Attended GAA match....


4 & 5 up to you.....................

blue5000

Nevermind_ wrote: »

I suppose you have forgotten all about this as well ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKK8eAlASy4

Are you suggesting that Ben Dunne, the man who around this time was perilously close to jumping off a balcony is a fairy?

blue5000

1966 wrote: »

- OK - just to give you a head-start...............

1. Attended recent wedding....
2. Attended neighbours funeral.....
3. Attended GAA match....


4 & 5 up to you.....................

Ok had a quick look there and here's 5, all health, education or jobs related in N Tipp.:cool:

1.Tipp Institute

2.Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that Minister Batt O’Keefe has included a further 6 million euro in his Department’s estimate for a new school at Nenagh Vocational College[/FONT][/SIZE]

3.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry TD has received confirmation from Education Minister Batt O’Keefe that the Government have formally decided not to implement a closure recommendation in respect of Tipperary Institute arising from the McCarthy report[/SIZE][/FONT]

4.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that funding is to be released immediately to begin work on a new endoscopy unit at Nenagh General hospital.[/SIZE][/FONT]

5.OMC are to benefit from a €400,000 grant from Enterprise Ireland for investment in a new Thurles based project, Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed

MonsterMob

blue5000 wrote: »

Ok had a quick look there and here's 5, all health, education or jobs related in N Tipp.:cool:

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  1.Tipp Institute

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  2.Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that Minister Batt O’Keefe has included a further 6 million euro in his Department’s estimate for a new school at Nenagh Vocational College[/FONT][/SIZE]

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  3.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry TD has received confirmation from Education Minister Batt O’Keefe that the Government have formally decided not to implement a closure recommendation in respect of Tipperary Institute arising from the McCarthy report[/SIZE][/FONT]

4.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that funding is to be released immediately to begin work on a new endoscopy unit at Nenagh General hospital.[/SIZE][/FONT]

5.OMC are to benefit from a €400,000 grant from Enterprise Ireland for investment in a new Thurles based project, Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed

'Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed' That doesn't mean anything, the decision has already been made. The man on the street can write to these ministers and confirm it! Do you really think the decisions wouldn't have been made if lowry wasn't involved. Don't be so naive....

Nevermind_

blue5000 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Ben Dunne, the man who around this time was perilously close to jumping off a balcony is a fairy?

Where did I suggest that?
I humbly suggest you google the word satire, then play the clip again.

littlesthobo

blue5000 wrote: »

Ok had a quick look there and here's 5, all health, education or jobs related in N Tipp.:cool:

1.Tipp Institute

2.Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that Minister Batt O’Keefe has included a further 6 million euro in his Department’s estimate for a new school at Nenagh Vocational College[/FONT][/SIZE]

3.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry TD has received confirmation from Education Minister Batt O’Keefe that the Government have formally decided not to implement a closure recommendation in respect of Tipperary Institute arising from the McCarthy report[/SIZE][/FONT]

4.Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed that funding is to be released immediately to begin work on a new endoscopy unit at Nenagh General hospital.[/SIZE][/FONT]

5.OMC are to benefit from a €400,000 grant from Enterprise Ireland for investment in a new Thurles based project, Independent Deputy Michael Lowry has confirmed

And dont forget the new school thats going to be built in Borrisokane. He's taking credit for that too, and shure didnt he get the pensioners excluded from cuts in the last budget aswell

blue5000

I copied and pasted these off his own website, sure it has to be true......:D

Max Powers

blue5000 wrote: »

The main reason I vote for Micheal Lowry is because I'm expressing my democratic right to vote for who I want in the dail.

Secondly I vote for him because it's the nicest way I can give 2 fingers to my jumped up second cousins who live in south co dublin, or dublin 4 who think they are far superior than the rest of us.:P

not the ''rest of us'', but im sure they feel superior to you after the second paragraph of that post

Insect Overlord

Max Powers wrote: »

not the ''rest of us'', but im sure they feel superior to you after the second paragraph of that post

Next personalised post gets a ban. Attack the post, not the poster. That goes for everyone in this thread.

Road-Hog

Max Powers wrote: »

not the ''rest of us'', but im sure they feel superior to you after the second paragraph of that post

Maybe its Lowry we should be sending to fight our corner in the european debt/banking crisis, forget about Enda, if Mr Lowry can convience 14,105 people to give him a 'mandate' after his track record then surely influencing a few european bureaucrats to allow 'burden sharing', debt default, interest rate reduction etc would be no problem.

fryup

are tipperary people the most "clanish" in ireland?

i think the support for Lowry proves that they are

Cat Melodeon

littlesthobo wrote: »

No fan of Lowry. I live( don't have a vote) in North Tipp and you'd be hard pressed to find someone worthwhile to vote for down here in the last election. You can say all you like about him but he gets results and is seen to deliver and he got voted in on the back of that.

Bear in mind aswell that all this happened 14 odd years ago, maybe he's changed:)

I'm still waiting for a list of things he has done that have contributed to the betterment of the country or North Tipp because statements like yours truly baffle me.

blue5000 wrote: »

I copied and pasted these off his own website, sure it has to be true......

I know you weren't fully serious but some folk really do believe this crap.

Tipp Inst is only surviving because it is becoming a satellite campus of LIT. Mr Lowry has had very little to do with that process.

Anything related to school improvements or building comes under the remit of the Dept of Education - Mr Lowry has never served as Minister for Education and any credit he claims for moving capital projects along is actually an admission of interfering with a functioning public service that would be much more efficient were it left alone to do its work without politicians poking their stick in.

Mr Lowry had nothing to do with the endoscopy unit at Nenagh. As far as TDs go, Maire Hoctor was much more involved with that process having served as Minister for State at the Dept of Health among other roles, although anyone who knows anything about Nenagh Hospital know that it's the Nenagh Action Group that has lobbied and pressed for the retention of services at Nenagh and which has been much more effective than any of the TDs.

I don't know much about OMC or the grant from Enterprise Ireland. Afaik, Enterprise Ireland's job is to do that sort of thing and TDs get to take it in turns to announce the good news. That's true for all announcements really, you see it in the Tipp Star all the time : Lowry welcomes such and such a thing, Coonan confirms XYZ. It doesn't mean they did a tap to actually contribute to what's being announced, only that they get to be the messenger.

1966 wrote: »

-1. Attended recent wedding....
2. Attended neighbours funeral.....
3. Attended GAA match....


4 & 5 up to you.....................

Much closer to the truth.