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What constitutes "abuse" of non-members in AH?
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29-03-2011 2:21pm#1Started this thread as what I want to say has little to do with the OP of the 'ministry of truth' and as this issue is being discussed elsewhere, would be nice if those without mod-forum access had somewhere where they too could have their say on just what they feel constitutes "abuse" of non-members.I don't often agree with Dudess (
) but she nailed it there during the thread by saying it stays open if people stay civil. It gets closed if they dont.
On just this point, as I think it is a big one ..
I have to disagree with you on this DeV. That user had/has an issue with men making (what she feels are unnecessary) sexual comments about women in threads in AH when the subject is a 'serious' one. That post had/has nothing to do with any desire for civility. That is unless you/Dudess feel that users making comments about whether they "would" or not is somehow not "civil".
There is quite a lot of "This is NOT After Hours" levelled at users around Boards.ie and (at times) that's fine, but I think it's time we heard more of: "This IS After Hours!" from it's moderators. I am sick of users coming on to AH, that have little of no concept of what the forum is about, stamping their feet when comments are made because they wouldn't be acceptable elsewhere on Boards. They should stay away if they don't like the content. I find what's posted in tLL to be wholly objectionable, so I stay from the place (bar once, you live you learn).
Yes I know it's 'general topic' / 'current affairs' forum (perhaps there is an argument for such a forum?) but AH is far far more than just a gerneral topic forum. It's tone and spirit was long since decided upon. That's why Nein11 and the like came into being, as their humour wasn't welcome in AH, you don't see those users running to Feedback demanding to tell dead baby jokes there. If users don't like the humour in AH, then on you go.
I am with you 100% when it comes to the abuse issue Dev, AH/Boards has a reputation for abusing celebrities and public figures and it would nice if as a community, we could change that. While I agree that we shouldn't allow members/non-members to be abused on Boards, we must also accept that the two can never be precisely the same, they just can't, at least not in ALL situations.
For instance, I don't think users saying that they are surprised Lyle Lovett gets such all the hot chicks that he does is abusive (not very nice perhaps). However, if some guy posted his pic in the KYN thread and a comment was then made in AH by a female user, that basically said they were surprised he could get a girlfriend after seeing the photo he posted in Cool Vids - then that I DO see as abuse. So the two (member abuse & non-member abuse) can differ at times. They are not be the same and can never be the same.
The definition of "Abuse" of non-members as I see it has to be just that little bit looser (not much, but just a touch). For example, I had no problem reporting posts on the Glenda Gilson thread and also another abusive post yesterday, which was directed at Brian Cowen, as both very nasty in tone. So I guess what I am saying is that you have to be a little meaner and nasty in what you post, in order for it to be considered "abusive" towards a non-member, than if what you said was directed at another member of Boards. I guess it's comparable to what you would tolerate someone saying about a friend/mate of yours and what you would tolerate them saying about a member of your family.
However, in saying all that - putting a stop to abuse being directed at non-members is one thing, the sanitisation of After Hours (as I am beginning to see it) is another thing entirely.
If a user wants to say that Sarah Carey (for example) has great tits on a thread, so be it. In my opinion (and all this post is just that) there should be no such thing as a thread where you can't have some risqué banter about either a male or female "celeb" when they are the topic of a thread (in AH at least). If you as a user (speaking of all users) don't like that, then find another forum, Boards.ie is a big place.
Of course there are obvious exceptions, condolences threads, tragedies etc etc but we have moderators for a reason and they are more than capable of deciding just when it is and isn't appropriate to have AH style comments on threads. Threads like the Sarah Carey thread was NOT one of those threads in my view. There was NOTHING about that thread that should have made it exempt from AH banter.
Most AH regulars would know that the subject of Autism is something that I take very seriously and there have been one or two debates in AH on that very topic. Do I think the mods should suddenly protect that thread for AH 'style' comments, just because some people want a serious debate? Of course I don't, it's After Hours. If I want a serious debate on children with autism, I know where the Parenting forum is.
Recently there have been advances in the diagnosis of Autism and it is quite likely that soon the number one diagnostic tool of the condition will be MRI Bran Scans. Founder of The Autism Trust in the UK (Polly Tommey) is someone that campaigns for increased awareness of autism and has met with Tony Blair, Gordon Brown etc in relation to getting funding in an effort to further research in this area of diagnosis. Now .. lets say I want to discuss that issue and so post the following video in an AH debate on autism:
In the above video, there are quite clearly two things that jump out at you and are bound to get comment in a forum like AH. Should I report those posts and complain to Mods that I wish to have a serious debate here and Polly's boobs are irrelevant to the topic?? No, of course I shouldn't, it's AH - her boobs (or David Beckam's arse) are very much relevant. It'll be a very sad day when a little sexual banter and innuendo are no longer welcome on AH and from what I can see, that day seems to be getting closer and closer quite frankly.
TL;DR
After Hours is very popular, receives the traffic and it does so because of the way it has been modded down the years. Some excellent mods have put in an extraordinary amount of time (Bollocko & Javaboy particularly in more recent years, the rest all have lovely bottoms too). Mods that went out of their way to engage with it's core regulars and newbies alike and all in an effort to make sure the tone and spirit of AH remained. Losing the abuse on After Hours is one thing, sanitising the forum to within an inch of its life, just because there are a few users who don't get the forum, is quite something else.Post edited by Shield on16
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Why the **** was the "Ireland's sexiest women" thread closed? Were there really malicious things posted about people's looks? And if so, could they not just be deleted?
Looks like a point is being made... I predict that thread will be reopened...
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Why the **** was the "Ireland's sexiest women" thread closed? Were there really malicious things posted about people's looks? And if so, could they not just be deleted?
Looks like a point is being made... I predict that thread will be reopened...
Some* of the posts contain comments that we are supposed to act on as they are degrading. Degrading posts are considered to be in breech of the site civility rule. I don't fancy reading through the whole thread again just to delete all the posts that are in breech. I'm also not sure if commenting on someone's looks is considered to be in breech of the civility rule, based on what we've been told I'm pretty sure it is but I'm not 100%.
*I've read the whole thread just not in one go, I read it as it got bumped, so I can't say exactly how many.0 -
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