I reported SW fraud and now I feel awful...

LighterGuy

Annoyedgirl wrote: »

Are you by any chance screwing the system yourself? Seen as you're basically saying you think we should all get what we can, life is a rat race yada yada yada. By your logic you're essentially saying you'd take SW fraud money as it's all about what we can get right. Everyone should screw everyone else, survivial of the fittest, PLEASE, what a load of nonsense. Have you heard of evolution? We don't act like barbarians anymore.

1, No i am not screwing the system nor know anyone who is.
2, Do you mean we as in the Irish? or we as in humans? cause take alook at the world at the moment. See whats going down in current affairs.

For me, this thread goes further than opinion, cause we'll all choose different sides. which is fine. But one thing i've learned from this thread ... is that if i am jealous of someone / begrudge (etc) its ok to take them down. I can twist my reasons of jealously into "i am doing the right thing" etc.

LighterGuy

beegirl wrote: »

I didn't say I agreed with social welfare fraud, or that it doesn't do any harm - I said that there would be no benefit for the OP from her point of view... in other words, her own personal situation has not been improved in any way by reporting it, in fact she is worse off than she was before because she now has a huge dose of guilt on top of everything else. That's all.

Beegirl,
I know what you were saying.
If anyone says that what the op did was out of jealously will be heavily met with "social welfare fraud is wrong!" on here. even if you're trying to make a point about something else :rolleyes: (the motivation of doing so in the first place)

Ickle Magoo

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I am a friend

The woman is stealing so OP you did the right thing. I Would totally distance myself from her anyway - stealing from the tax payer is as low as drug dealing in my book

Good job OP... I can see how the holiday was the final straw. Fuk it.

ppink

The only thing i would add OP to this is that I would have done similar ot you the only difference being I would never have a friend who had such massive moral differences to me. Kids or no kids.
I am not sure how you can be friends with her? Maybe I am odd but there are some things that for me are just too big a difference ot be able to ignore.

hatz7

beegirl wrote: »

I didn't say I agreed with social welfare fraud, or that it doesn't do any harm - I said that there would be no benefit for the OP from her point of view... in other words, her own personal situation has not been improved in any way by reporting it, in fact she is worse off than she was before because she now has a huge dose of guilt on top of everything else. That's all.

Of course her own personal situation has been improved by the reporting.Indirectly. It means that the state will have an extra few cent to spent on other public services that she and all the rest of us can avail of.
The guilt you spoke of won't last forever. It may be prolonged with the likes of you and others with what ye have posted, but won't last forever. It is utter lunacy to say that her personal situation has not been improved by her actions.

Darlughda

This whole thread has been about the justification of ratting someone up to the Social Welfare.
The OP has said in the thread title they feel awful about it. So she should.
The person taking advantage of social welfare and boasting about this in the face of a friend in need, is def in the wrong.
But, the fact remains it is not the social welfare fraud that has this country in the state it is-it is the property bubble and now the bank bailouts.

Without a doubt the OP is looking for the boards.ie 'hang the social welfare defruaders' to justify their actions.

Maybe they are right, but as this is PI, there is no getting away from the fact that bitterness, begrudgery, jealousy and downright nastiness was the motive and intent in the OP's actions in grassing on her friend and neighbour.

EricPraline

Darlughda wrote: »

But, the fact remains it is not the social welfare fraud that has this country in the state it is-it is the property bubble and now the bank bailouts.

Maybe they are right, but as this is PI, there is no getting away from the fact that bitterness, begrudgery, jealousy and downright nastiness was the motive and intent in the OP's actions in grassing on her friend and neighbour.

Hilarious. So doing the right thing and reporting somebody who breaks the law is "grassing" and is somehow to be condemned?

What about all the employees of the banks who refused to "grass" on their superiors, despite their reckless behaviour? Frankly your attitudes smacks of the very cute hooerism that was at the root of the excesses of the bubble - whether it was in the banks or among some social welfare receipients, it's the same behaviour.

Sure aren't we all just jealously, nastily begrudging the success of David Drumm and Sean Fitzpatrick? :mad:

Darlughda

EricPraline wrote: »

Hilarious. So doing the right thing and reporting somebody who breaks the law is "grassing" and is somehow to be condemned?

What about all the employees of the banks who refused to "grass" on their superiors, despite their reckless behaviour? Frankly your attitudes smacks of the very cute hooerism that was at the root of the excesses of the bubble - whether it was in the banks or among some social welfare receipients, it's the same behaviour.

Sure aren't we all just jealously, nastily begrudging the success of David Drumm and Sean Fitzpatrick? :mad:

You misunderstand me. And quite frankly, if you had bothered to check my posting history, you would see that I have been extremely vocal about 'cute hoorism' that is accepted in our society and political system.

Social welfare fraud is not the cause of the problems in our society.

However, the woman engaging in this practise is behaving in a manner that is despicable.

However, the OP, as stated in her thread title, feels guilty.
So, she should. She acted out of begrudgery, jealousy and nastiness.Not out of some kind of 'civic duty' that most posters here are applauding her for.

ppink

Darlughda wrote: »

You misunderstand me. And quite frankly, if you had bothered to check my posting history, you would see that I have been extremely vocal about 'cute hoorism' that is accepted in our society and political system.

Social welfare fraud is not the cause of the problems in our society.

However, the woman engaging in this practise is behaving in a manner that is despicable.

However, the OP, as stated in her thread title, feels guilty.
So, she should. She acted out of begrudgery, jealousy and nastiness.Not out of some kind of 'civic duty' that most posters here are applauding her for.

I dont at all think it is jealousy or begrudgery. Personally I could never be jealous of anyone who scams the system, angry yes but jealous no. I would never opt to do what they are doing. In my book its called morals. I dont expect for anyone else to pay for my life except me.

Social welfare fraud has not got us where we are but if you pick up one fo the many books out there (I have read Wasters) to be honest it is absolutely shocking the money that has gone adrift in this little country. It all adds up......granted not to the gizzillions we now owe but still it all adds up. I would wonder how much SW fraud has cost us also, bet you'd get more than a few SNA's or other facility for the public.

"Ratting" and "grassing".....words used ot make people feel bad about doing the right thing. maybe if the bankers had learned those words.........

Ickle Magoo

Since the OP hasn't posted back and this lapsing into a discussion on morality and assumptions about the OP's motives while heading back down the economy/banking cul-de-sac, I'm locking the thread.

Anyone wishing to continue a discussion on the moral aspect of reporting welfare fraud/cute hoorism is welcome to start a thread in Humanities.

OP if you want the thread opened, register if you aren't already and drop one the PI mods or cmods a PM.