smear test result cin 3 :(

purefear

Spadina wrote: »

But you have chlamydia, which increases your chances of CIN, regardless of age, number of partners etc.

I dont think i understand your point. What it has to do with it?
If i would't spend another 140eu on private doctor i wouldnt even know i have it! Untreated chlamydia can lead to some serious problems.
They simply gave me false smear test results and they have done some treatment on me which was not needed. I am just wondering how many girls here had the same cin 3 result because of chlamydia and they still have it -not knowing anything about it! This is dangerous.

Acoshla

My point (and I think SheRa's but I could be wrong) is that you have chlamydia which can lead to cell abnormalities (CIN) which can be pre cancerous, so the Irish smear was telling you that you have changes to the cells that need further treatment/investigation, and the Polish one told you that you have an infection, chlamydia, which can lead to changes in the cells.

So they have both told you roughly the same thing but in different ways/wording, not that the Irish one was wrong and caused you undue upset and un-needed treatment. So not that they confused abnormal cells with chlamydia, but that it's very likely that the chlamydia caused them, if you see what I mean?

You say chlamydia can lead to serious problems, yes it can, such as CIN. I'm not sure if maybe they would then have treated you for chlamydia too, once the abnormal cells were removed.

WhatWillBee

purefear wrote: »

I dont think i understand your point. What it has to do with it?
If i would't spend another 140eu on private doctor i wouldnt even know i have it! Untreated chlamydia can lead to some serious problems.
They simply gave me false smear test results and they have done some treatment on me which was not needed. I am just wondering how many girls here had the same cin 3 result because of chlamydia and they still have it -not knowing anything about it! This is dangerous.

Having chlamydia is like having HPV for example, it increases the chances that your cervical cells change and become Cin 1-2-3-cancer. Thats what I believe the previous poster meant.

I haven't read the entire thread but are you sure you dont' have chlamydia AND cin 3 cervical cells? I would just double check that to be sure.

Otherwise, if only chlamydia is present, I believe it's is easily cleared up so thats something. You should still go for regular smears anyway.

Good luck with everything!

Ickle Magoo

purefear wrote: »

I dont think i understand your point. What it has to do with it?
If i would't spend another 140eu on private doctor i wouldnt even know i have it! Untreated chlamydia can lead to some serious problems.
They simply gave me false smear test results and they have done some treatment on me which was not needed. I am just wondering how many girls here had the same cin 3 result because of chlamydia and they still have it -not knowing anything about it! This is dangerous.

While your concern for other women is admirable, it is well outside the remit of this forum - which is giving advice on personal issues to particular posters.

You now have your diagnosis, you have the option of speaking to a solicitor regarding your treatment and if you wish, you should write to the head of whatever organisation give the misdiagnosis and demand both an apology and an explanation...but most importantly, get yourself well and give yourself some time to get over the shock.

All the best

purefear

WhatWillBee wrote: »

Having chlamydia is like having HPV for example, it increases the chances that your cervical cells change and become Cin 1-2-3-cancer. Thats what I believe the previous poster meant.

I haven't read the entire thread but are you sure you dont' have chlamydia AND cin 3 cervical cells? I would just double check that to be sure.

Otherwise, if only chlamydia is present, I believe it's is easily cleared up so you should try to look on the bright side and be happy you dont have to go through a LLETZ procedure!

Good luck with everything!

I already went through LLETZ procedure unfortunately and this is the problem! I did double check and i spoke to my gynecologist -she is a professional specialist and i am sorry i didnt wait with this until she gave me results and i ddidnt have that money to have colposcopy done by her.
I have full A4 page with smear test results from poland and its clear i dont have any pre-cancerous cells and i dont have cin 3 or hpv.

purefear

Spadina wrote: »

My point (and I think SheRa's but I could be wrong) is that you have chlamydia which can lead to cell abnormalities (CIN) which can be pre cancerous, so the Irish smear was telling you that you have changes to the cells that need further treatment/investigation, and the Polish one told you that you have an infection, chlamydia, which can lead to changes in the cells.

So they have both told you roughly the same thing but in different ways/wording, not that the Irish one was wrong and caused you undue upset and un-needed treatment. So not that they confused abnormal cells with chlamydia, but that it's very likely that the chlamydia caused them, if you see what I mean?

You say chlamydia can lead to serious problems, yes it can, such as CIN. I'm not sure if maybe they would then have treated you for chlamydia too, once the abnormal cells were removed.

Well i dont understand it really. If something can couse something it doesnt mean its this already -does it?
I am aware what chlamydia could couse , but that would be pure nonsens if they would diagnose me with cin 3 only because i have chlamydia which could lead to cin 3! I need to take antybiotics to get rid of chlamydia and i wouldnt get rid of them left like that with LLETZ done which i ddint need at all!

If i woulnd have done additional tests i would be left untreated with serious problem which could lead to infertility and other big problems and maybe you are not aware of that but LLETZ is not just innocent removal of some cells its a serious interference in fragile structures which could also lead to pregnancy problems. I am very upset after this all.

Acoshla

I'm only trying to help and I know you're upset but your posts are starting to sound quite patronising, we're only trying to share what we know, but you seem to have more info about it so I don't see what you want anyone to say.

purefear

Spadina wrote: »

I'm only trying to help and I know you're upset but your posts are starting to sound quite patronising, we're only trying to share what we know, but you seem to have more info about it so I don't see what you want anyone to say.

Sorry i didnt mean to sound like that, its just you seemed to be explaining cervical check and i really think this is serious mistake what they have done.

Just imagine - i wouldnt have idea i have that and that was the only reason why i was having irregular periods/bleeding after sex. I just cant belive they can leave patient with something like that!

"What are the symptoms of chlamydial infection?

In women

There may be no symptoms for some time, but you may notice:

•Unusual vaginal discharge.
•Bleeding between periods.

In women, Chlamydia trachomatis infection can cause non-specific genital infection. If untreated, in the long term this can lead to ectopic pregnancy, pelvic inflammatory disease or salpingitis (inflammation of the fallopian tubes), which may cause infertility"

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=206

This is scary. I suggest all the woman diagnosed with some cin should do tests for chlamydia.

lynsalot

Hi OP,

Did you receive treatment for chlamydia in the end? Hope so.

My sister in law had CIN2 and CIN3 and two procedures to remove abnormal cells. Its quite widely believed that promiscuity can lead to abnormalities as infections that are left untreated can cause changes in the cells. Her first concern was the removal of these cells but also to check herself. Luckily she'd no other infections to contend with but thankfully we in Ireland have the privelege of obtaining free smear tests which will indicate if there's anything amiss down there.

With regards to the Chlamydia, have you discussed it with any sexual partners to ensure its not spread? Sometimes a woman may have it for a while and not realise because unfortunately there's no outwardly symptoms. And plus if it's with a long term partner the risk of reinfection can occur.

Wish you all the best with it

LegacyUser

My sister in law had CIN2 and CIN3 and two procedures to remove abnormal cells. Its quite widely believed that promiscuity can lead to abnormalities as infections that are left untreated can cause changes in the cells.

??????????? how ridiculously judgemental!
you do not have to be promiscuous to have an abnormal smear result.

Just because you get an abnormal result, it does not mean it's because you have/had an sti, HPV can be transmitted from something as simple as skin to skin contact!

from chervicalcheck.ie:
HPV or human papilloma virus is an extremely common virus transmitted via skin on skin contact. Approximately eight out of 10 adults have had the infection at some time throughout their lives and it rarely produces any effects but about five per cent of women have a not normal smear test. One to two per cent will develop pre-cancerous cells and a tiny minority of these progress to get cervical cancer. There is no blame on you, your current or any other partner.

LegacyUser

I suggest all the woman diagnosed with some cin should do tests for chlamydia.

OP who actually told you that you had chlamydia, the technician at the colposcopy clinic? or your doctor? or cervical check? It just seems very odd that you were told you had chlamydia and no body mentioned getting treatment for it, as you've stated it's pretty serious if left untreated!

Personally my own doctor always checks for chlamydia when she's taking a smear, actually i was under the impression that this was the norm in ireland?

Are you positive that you didn't have both cin 3 and chlamydia?
It just seems very odd that they couldn't tell the difference between chlamydia and cin3?

Are you sure that it isn't your polish smear results that are wrong? Are you basing the fact that you didn't have cin3 solely on your polish results? If the 2 tests are giving different results then how is one more likely to be correct than the other?

lynsalot

holierthanthou?! wrote: »

??????????? how ridiculously judgemental!
you do not have to be promiscuous to have an abnormal smear result.

Just because you get an abnormal result, it does not mean it's because you have/had an sti, HPV can be transmitted from something as simple as skin to skin contact!

from chervicalcheck.ie:
HPV or human papilloma virus is an extremely common virus transmitted via skin on skin contact. Approximately eight out of 10 adults have had the infection at some time throughout their lives and it rarely produces any effects but about five per cent of women have a not normal smear test. One to two per cent will develop pre-cancerous cells and a tiny minority of these progress to get cervical cancer. There is no blame on you, your current or any other partner.

Whoa hold your horses missus. My post stated that it is widely believed that promiscuity leads to abnormal results in smears not that it was my opinion!!!! Which might explain the responses she's receiving here.

The OP has been diagnosed with an STI and rather than arguing with her over the CIN3 diagnosis being right or wrong I was advising to address the STI she's been diagnosed with to make sure she gets back to full health.

I'm not insinuating she's promiscuous, quite frankly its a little odd that you've jumped to that conclusion!! And its not particularly any of anyone's business whether she is or not. But she should still speak with any current sexual partner she might have or ones from the past in case she has it a long time. Simple practical advice I'd imagine... whether she's had 100 lovers or 1 doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Maple

Lynsalot/Holierthanthou, calm down.

Lynsalot, to be fair if you don't believe that promiscuity leads to chlamydia then don't make the statement. Having read your post myself, it may not have been your intention to sound judgemental but unfortunately it came across that way.

I'm starting to think this thread is done, however will leave it open for now.

Maple

lynsalot

So in your opinion what I've stated in my post becomes my my belief through association?

My post isn't judgemental at all. Would be interested to hear what the OP thinks who is who the post was directed towards.

Yet again, a display of too many chiefs and not enough indians on this forum.

LegacyUser

OP, that's terrible! This part is shocking:

purefear wrote: »

I went to the colposcopy clinic today. To my surpise, there was no doctor to examine me, only nurse and another lady probably more experienced technician. [BOLD]She said it all looks fine to her, but she will do LLETZ procedure because of the smear result.[/BOLD]

The smear test is a SCREENING test, and sometimes it produces false positives (more common than false negatives). The purpose of a colposcopy is to visually confirm the presence of areas of abnormal cells -- the cervix is painted with a solution that turns abnormal areas white so the doctor can see that the abnormal cells do indeed exist and knows which areas to excise. If she didn't SEE any abnormal cells, that should have called into question the results of the smear test. And how did she decide where to cut away tissue? Did she just cut healthy tissue willy-nilly?

I posted upthread about having had a CIN3 result. A bit more about that: I had a smear test every year (the standard in the US at the time) and was very shocked to get the CIN3 results out of the blue. It turned out that the previous year's test was not all clear as I had been told -- it was inconclusive due to insufficient sample, and in fact there were questions over the preceding year's test, too. Needless to say I changed doctors, and the new, very experienced gynecologist redid the smear test (using the more sophisticated test you mention) which confirmed CIN3. Then the same gynecologist herself performed the coloposcopy, and as she did she told me she could clearly see the affected areas, which she mapped in detailed notes. Later, she herself performed the cone biopsy surgery.

My point is, you are absolutely right when you say

purefear wrote: »

Dont let them do LLETZ straight away, they should do some more examination and tests and gynecologist should see you.

I would be very angry too! If I were you I'd ask for a copy of the medical report on the LLETZ procedure the technician performed and I'd give it to the trusted Polish doctor to ask her medical opinion on whether you were properly treated. If not, then please consider making a complaint. It might prevent the same thing happening to another woman.

purefear

lostintranslation? wrote: »

OP who actually told you that you had chlamydia, the technician at the colposcopy clinic? or your doctor? or cervical check? It just seems very odd that you were told you had chlamydia and no body mentioned getting treatment for it, as you've stated it's pretty serious if left untreated!

Personally my own doctor always checks for chlamydia when she's taking a smear, actually i was under the impression that this was the norm in ireland?

Are you positive that you didn't have both cin 3 and chlamydia?
It just seems very odd that they couldn't tell the difference between chlamydia and cin3?

Are you sure that it isn't your polish smear results that are wrong? Are you basing the fact that you didn't have cin3 solely on your polish results? If the 2 tests are giving different results then how is one more likely to be correct than the other?

Nobody here ever mentioned that. I was left for few days with a thought I almost have a cancer and then at the colposcopy clinic LLETZ was done and nothing abouth chlamydia. I am just shocked and i dont get how they could leave me with something like that.
My polish results are from good laborathory and why they would lie about chlamydia?

Also my gyneacologist is a good specialist and i have no reason not to belive her.
Nobody here send me to a doctor and why i should belive some nurse from colposcopy clinic not a gyneacologist.

I can be only sorry now i didnt go to her in a first place i just trusted cervical check and irish health system because i dont have to much money at the moment.
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