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Shih Tzu

  • 02-04-2011 12:42pm
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    So i decided to get a dog because my daughter would really like one(and I would myself).We've bought a Shih Tzu from a breeder and the dog is full breed and will be IKC registered, microchipped and vaccinated when we pick her up in 2 weeks.She'll be 8 weeks old then.

    Now I've no experience with dogs but my wife does as she had plenty as a child.Can you guy's tell me what to expect, what I mean is will she chew my furniture and destroy the house?

    I've been told Shih Tzu's are tame and gentle which is why I decided to get one.The other thing is I don't want some other dog humping her but I don't want to get her nutered because eventually we'll be paying for a stud dog to do the deed.

    Any info on these dogs would be great.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭andreac


    Firstly, if shes for a family pet, why do you want to breed from her? Will you be showing her and making sure shes suitable for breeding and that shes of excellent quality?
    Can i ask where you sourced your breeder?

    There are so many dogs and puppies out there and especially as you arent an experienced dog owner you shouldnt go down the breeding route, leave it to the experts.

    I suggest you get a good book on shih tzus and read up on the breed before you get the pup.
    I suggest crate training from the word go which will help hugely with toilet training and stop any unwanted chewing when you arent around.

    Please please reconsider breeding this dog. Unless you really know what you are doing after years of experience with dogs then do not breed. Its not as easy as just your bitch having pups. There are so many risks involved and the dog must be of excelllent quality, be fully health tested and so on.

    Pedigree puppies are so hard to sell now in ireland and there isnt a demand there unless the dog is very well bred, has proven itself in the show ring.

    I think you need to do a lot of research into your breed and caring for a dog before you even consider going down the breeding route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Vel


    Spot on Andreac. You must have that post saved to copy and paste at this stage wink.gif:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    andreac wrote: »
    Firstly, if shes for a family pet, why do you want to breed from her? Will you be showing her and making sure shes suitable for breeding and that shes of excellent quality?
    Can i ask where you sourced your breeder?

    There are so many dogs and puppies out there and especially as you arent an experienced dog owner you shouldnt go down the breeding route, leave it to the experts.

    I suggest you get a good book on shih tzus and read up on the breed before you get the pup.
    I suggest crate training from the word go which will help hugely with toilet training and stop any unwanted chewing when you arent around.

    Please please reconsider breeding this dog. Unless you really know what you are doing after years of experience with dogs then do not breed. Its not as easy as just your bitch having pups. There are so many risks involved and the dog must be of excelllent quality, be fully health tested and so on.

    Pedigree puppies are so hard to sell now in ireland and there isnt a demand there unless the dog is very well bred, has proven itself in the show ring.

    I think you need to do a lot of research into your breed and caring for a dog before you even consider going down the breeding route.


    Excellent point, it's not something I really want to do, just something that was suggested to me, so I'll be getting her nutered because she's a family pet.I don't want her for monetary gain, she'll be part of the family.

    My wife sourced the breeder as I said she had many dogs as a child, some pedigree too.

    Thanks for the replies I'll get a book on shih tsu's and do some reading:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    The pup will only destroy the house if you let it.

    You have a daughter, so remember back to when she was a baby/toddler. It's not that different, it's all about routine, training, praising for good behaviour, and bonding with them.

    The pup is most likely going to be upset for the first couple of nights, being away from it's mother & siblings, in a new home that smells different.
    An idea is to give a blanket to the breeder, to have the mother lie on or rub off, so that when you take the pup, you have a blanket to bring home that smells familiar. That can be in the pups bed. They may or may not cry at night for a few nights, this is normal, and again, like a baby, you don't come running as soon as they start or else they'll know crying = attention. Obviously you can go to them after a bit if they don't settle down, and put them back in their bed.

    They don't have full control of their bladder/bowels for another while, so when they have to go, they go. Some people use newspapers, or puppy pads, some people prefer not to use them at all. Some people use crate training. (all of these things you can research or others here can give their experience of crate training)
    You can't really give out to them for going to the toilet on the floor, they can't control it, but mid wee or not, pick them up and out the back on to the grass and then lots of praise when they finish there. Dogs are bright & they'll pick up weeing outside = praise.

    Pups teethe just like babies, they'll have sore gums and want to gnaw on things to ease the pain. Some pups will chew table/chair legs, or socks or whatever. You need to dog proof the area the pup will be in, so that anything precious can't be gotten at. There are dog chew toys, but my pup used to love chewing on my fingers. Or you can give them ice cubes, they're cooling for the gums and gives them something to chew/play with.

    With them chewing things, you can use whatever term you want to let them know they can't do something. I use 'aah aah' like with a child, so they know that means 'no don't touch/don't do that'. So if the pup is eating something they shouldn't you tell them, and then take them away from it or it away from them (if it's a sock or shoe etc).
    If the pup hurts you if it's chewing on your finger, as pups will play bite, and they do not realise they've sharp teeth and can hurt, you can make a sort of yelp noise. This lets them know they hurt you, and you can say 'be gentle' or whatever you want to say after and when they're more gentle with you, you give praise. Remember pups lose their puppy teeth in around the 5/6 month time frame (give or take a few weeks), so don't get a fright.

    Food, again, research what's best for your pup. But you need to get the same food the pup is on with the breeder now anyway, as you can't just change their food overnight. Their tummies are sensitive and you'll just make them very ill. It has to be done gradually over a few days/a week, slowly reducing the old food, and increasing the new. (if you are changing foods)
    Pups usually have 3 small feeds a day, little and often as they only have small tummies.
    After their food they'll usually need to poo so bring them outside and onto the grass/wherever you want them going, and when they go, praise.
    They'll need to be brought out often to wee too, as again they can't really hold it in yet.
    And bring them out as late at night as you can / they may need to go during the night so that might be there for you to clean up in the morning, or if you get up you can bring them out. Having a small area for them at night is good, so that if they do go to the toilet, it's not everywhere.

    You can begin training as young as you like, little things, about boundaries, or sitting or whatever you want. You can't bring them outside for a walk (i.e. other than your back garden if you have one) until after all their vaccinations are complete (usually around 12 weeks old). You will have to finish off the vaccinations yourself with the vets I'd say, but the breeder will let you know what's left to be gotten. They can pick up things before they have all their vaccinations so it's very important not to bring them out or have lots of dogs over.

    Andreac has given good advice on breeding, it's not to be gone into lightly or without proper research and thought. It's not cheap either, there's lots of tests to be done before you can breed and then IF you do, there's more veterinary bills for the mother and the pups when they're born, with vaccinations/worming/etc. It's a lot of work so make sure you know what you're doing if you're really set on it. Get advice from the breeder you're getting the pup off too, I'm sure they can tell you how much time, effort and money goes into it.

    These are really just the basics, there's lots to know and lots to learn but just have some patience and you can ask as many questions as you like.

    Edit - I took so long typing this your reply wasn't up until after I submitted it lol - I see you're not that pushed on breeding, so neutering is a good idea then. This can be done around the 6month age if you want it done soon, some people think you need to let them through one lot of being in heat, others don't. You can research/ask your vets advice and make up your own mind.
    I got one done when she was about 6 months, and our older dog (we got her when she was a year and half & she'd already had a litter :( ) so she was done shortly after we got her too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Hopefully this breeder is responsible, and your dog does have a great pedigree, but just because she's IKC registered and comes with a 5 generation pedigree certificate,doesn't actually mean anything - other than her parents and ancestors were registered - kind of like us having birth certificates:)

    I don't know what genetic health issues Shih Tzus can have, if you just do a google search for it, you should find any. If you do find some, ask the breeder if the parents have been health tested. For example, some breeds can suffer from hip dysplacia, I doubt that Shih Tzus do, but the parents should have their hips 'scored'. Some breeds can have issues with their eyes, and again, they should be seen by a specialist and be given the all clear before they are used for breeding, to try and prevent any health problems being passed on through the generations.

    Best of luck with your pup, I hope she and your family have a long and happy relationship with each other:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Thanks for the replies, some excellent info there.I can't wait until she arrives now:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭portgirl123


    a person i know a groomer says in 12 yrs of grooming she has been bit twice, both times by shih tzus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭boodlesdoodles


    a person i know a groomer says in 12 yrs of grooming she has been bit twice, both times by shih tzus.

    This says more about the owner of the shih tzus than the dog itself.

    Secret is to get a dog used to being groomed as early as possible, any decent book on the breed will tell you when is time to start and how to treat their coat. From personal experience, I have a Westie, get them used to the sight of the brush and brush them from the start, treating them as you go so they'll eventually take no notice of it. When they're pups use their food as treats or you'll rue the day you introduced other foods, take it from someone who knows :D Most of all, make sure you have the camera charged constantly, because puppies are always getting into adventures. Enjoy it, because they grow up so quickly, my fella was 3 yesterday. Best of luck with it all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭rebel10


    I have a 7 year old Shih Tzu here. Honestly, I cannot put enough emphasis on what a great little dog he is. You will love your new fella! They are so cute as puppies too.
    So many people have given you brilliant advice, there is nothing really I can add. They are a great breed, but can be extremely bossy. I also have another bigger dog, and my brother has a German shepherd, but my little Shih Tzu bosses them about! They can be more difficult than other dogs to train, I have found, I don't know whether it is because they are a stubborn breed or just a little bit slow on the uptake, but definately stick with it. They need to be groomed quite regularly. Their ears can become quite waxy so be sure to get these cleaned. Their eyes also need to be wiped regularly with little wipes. My little guy can be quite a fussy eater. We have always given him Royal Canin, but he can go through phases of being reluctant to eat them. However, he would devour a sausage! Their stomachs can be a little bit of an issue, constipation being the big issue, so perhaps give the dog a little teaspoon of olive oil when you feel he needs it. We never had a problem with furniture chewing or anything. Hope everything works out!:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I have a 2 year old Shih Tzu. He's so lovable and cheeky, it's hard not to let him get away with murder although I try my best!:D

    Mine isn't really a 'chewer', and he was very easy to potty-train. I've had many dogs as a child and young lady, but this is the first 'toy' dog I've had, although my husband had a Shih Tzu before. I did a bit of reading and read that they can be hard to potty train. So all I did was watch for the 'signs'. When he woke up, played got excited, ate, I simply chucked him outside to do his business. When he did a wee, I said 'Wee Wee', and when he did a No. 2, I said 'Poopy'. I got him potty trained within a fortnight! He was so good, I can even get him to wee on command. He's crate-trained to sleep in his crate at night. I would suggest putting a chew toy in the freezer to help her teething, and lots of hide & proper bones (NOT chicken or lamb!) to distract her.

    It's important to get your little girl socialised as quickly as possible. My husband's family have dogs so it was a little easier from that point of view. We also took him to puppy classes where he got to play with lots of different dogs. And he LOVES kids. He's the star of the estate where we live!:D

    Shih Tzu need their ears plucked as the hair grows in the ear canal and can cause infection if not plucked and cleaned regularly. I've cut down on the grooming bills as I've learned to groom him myself. My boy's a furball and needs brushed daily and to be clipped every six weeks.

    If you're neutering her, then do it as quickly as possible after six months. Some say to let her have her first season, others say don't wait. Either way, especially with bitches have it done soon. This cuts down the risk of mammary cancer and pyrometra.

    Finally - lots of luck to you and your new addition! I would love to see a pic of her when she comes. Have you thought of names yet?;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    I'll post one when I get her in 2 weeks, cheers guys:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Have you thought of names yet?;)


    Yes my daughter named her "Lilly"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    Here she is:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Cute, cute CUTE!!!

    She's a beauty.Looks just like my boy when he was a pup. I want another Shih Tzu now!!

    Lots of luck to you, your family and Lilly. The fun begins now!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭andreac


    Awh shes fab, looks like a very nice puppy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    andreac wrote: »
    Awh shes fab, looks like a very nice puppy.


    Very placid and tame, she gets little bursts of energy then goes off for a nap.She still cries when we go to bed and at 5am at the moment, but I'm sure she gets into our routine she'll be ok.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Oh yes - I remember that time well!! We had two weeks before the dog would settle at night. He would cry when we went up, and at 15 minute intervals during the night. Shih Tzu do love their Sooty & Sweep even when grown up. Mine would sleep 24 hours if he could! :D

    In the end, we got him a crate which helped. He recognised it as 'his' quiet space and soon would go to the crate if he wanted to be left in peace. I put a piece of vet bed on one side, and sheets of newspaper on the other in case he wanted to go and we didn't get to him in time to take him out. The newspaper's long gone of course, but he sleeps in it at night.

    One corner of the living room's now taken up with 'dog crap'! Baskets of towels, another one for his toys, another for his treats, another for his grooming - the list goes on!!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,429 ✭✭✭✭star-pants


    Awh she's lovely :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭boodlesdoodles


    She's very beautiful, hope she settles into a routine soon! It's all worth it though.


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