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Steel target group buy ??
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08-04-2011 12:15am#1Im toying with the idea of importing Steel targets from the US. Im still waiting on shipping costs but as ill be paying for a pallet anyway I wanted to know if anyone was interested in a group buy ?
The targets come in with 2 steel types AR 500 (for .22-44magnum pistol cal only) and AR550 (all pistol plus rifle rounds under 3000 fps @ distance greater than 100 yards)However since there is only $20 in the difference I reccomend that the AR550 (you never know when youll want to shoot a rifle at it.
For those that Dont know AR 500/AR 550 is used as armour plating so you can be sure that you will get a lofe time and more out of your target if you follow the rules (no rifle rounds below 100 yards and no rifle rounds fired at more than 3000 fps)
Heres the website/targets that I was looking at.....
www.actiontargetbeta.com/store/evilroyline/at-evil-roy-practice-target.html
The targets are on a portable 3 legged stand and can be bought with either a 6",8",10",12" circle or a 8"x12" rectangle.
As you can see from the above link, the targets are $135 (including the extra 20 for the AR 550) thats €94 euro..... if as an estimate shipping was 300 USD for a pallet (im completely guessing on shipping this so i could be completely wrong) and there were 10 targets. Each target would be $165 (€115) per target plus VAT @ 21% (€24.15) giving a total here in Ireland as €140.15 for a pretty much indestructable target..... give or take lol.. until i get the shipping cost this is only an estimate.
For those who want to read up more about how safe steel is to shoot please read ......
www.agarms.com/pdf/steeltargets.pdf
Heres a link a simular targets by action targets ....
Great review buy the guy is annoying to listen to.
Let me know your thoughts. If interested please send me a PM with "Im in" as the heading so i know what numbers and can tot up costs etc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgvSkIPPCzAComments
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Gunhappy, just before you spend that much, did you check with the range if they're allowed use steel targets over ricochet concerns?
Just a random thought, I know some ranges use them and others have/had rules against them for that reason.
I know of 1 range that doesnt allow them, I dont know of any others but users should check. Besides that tey can be used anywhere where a shooter would normally go to shoot.
The link http://www.agarms.com/pdf/steeltargets.pdf describes what happens on the impact of a round to AR 500/550 steel .....
As for ricocthet concerns it all covered in the above link as well.....
"When a bullet strikes a steel target that is completely stationary at a 90-degree angle, all the bullet's energy goes directly to weakening that point on the steel." Being such hard steel the steel doesnt weaken unless improperly used.
"If the target is completely stationary but is positioned at less than a 90-
degree angle, a portion of the bullet's energy at impact is deflected rather than absorbed." This is what causes ricocthets.... However ..... Rounds striking a flat surface ricochet in a set pattern (see picture on link, I dont know how to copy and paste it over). Rounds if ricocheting ( those that do it with greatly diminished energy) will do so at a 20 degree angle to the plate so there is no safety concern with rounds coming back toward a shooter.
Ive used steel on many many occasions and never had a problem, sure ive heard rounds wizzing off but thats part of the fun and the clear indication that youve hit.... along with the "bing"
Another good example is the army, there using steel plates with years and if there was a safety concern they wouldnt use it.
watch the
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvBg4qbMqU from 6:30 on, while the guy is so annoying to listen to and the style of shooting he does isnt what we do here, it shows how durable steel targets are.
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bunny shooter wrote: »Clay pigeons are cheaper & safer
clay pigeons are safer than what? i was told they were even more dangerous than real ones and should be shot on sight:p
and how much is a lifetime supply of safe clay pigeons0 -
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Right,
After a long wait Ive gotten a shipping quote of 500 USD for 10 targets. Shipping is 6-8 weeks ( alternativly if the group are impatient €1200 will cover the pallet air freight :P )
After all the converstions and calculations with vat each target is working out as €152 EURO EACH.
Again the target stands are foldable, have 2 height positions and come with an AR 550 Brinell steel target head of either 6",8",10",12" circle or a 8"x12" rectangle.
I will be placing the order on friday 20/05/2011 for anyone who is interested please PM me for my paypal account/ (postal address for cheques) as I will only be ordering targets for those who have payed a €75 deposit.
Rest of money on payable on collection
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gunhappy_ie wrote: »I know of 1 range that doesnt allow them, I dont know of any others but users should check. Besides that tey can be used anywhere where a shooter would normally go to shoot.
The link http://www.agarms.com/pdf/steeltargets.pdf describes what happens on the impact of a round to AR 500/550 steel .....
As for ricocthet concerns it all covered in the above link as well.....
"When a bullet strikes a steel target that is completely stationary at a 90-degree angle, all the bullet's energy goes directly to weakening that point on the steel." Being such hard steel the steel doesnt weaken unless improperly used."If the target is completely stationary but is positioned at less than a 90-
degree angle, a portion of the bullet's energy at impact is deflected rather than absorbed." This is what causes ricocthets.... However ..... Rounds striking a flat surface ricochet in a set pattern (see picture on link, I dont know how to copy and paste it over). Rounds if ricocheting ( those that do it with greatly diminished energy) will do so at a 20 degree angle to the plate so there is no safety concern with rounds coming back toward a shooter.Ive used steel on many many occasions and never had a problem, sure ive heard rounds wizzing off but thats part of the fun and the clear indication that youve hit.... along with the "bing"Another good example is the army, there using steel plates with years and if there was a safety concern they wouldnt use it.watch thehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvBg4qbMqU from 6:30 on, while the guy is so annoying to listen to and the style of shooting he does isnt what we do here, it shows how durable steel targets are.
GH
This would have been perfect together with it.
http://www.flashtarget.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=10 -
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Good news, Targets are in Ireland (dublin but on there way to warehouse in cork).
I just payed the VAT/related charges to the shipping company via bank transfer so fingers crossed Ill have them Wednesday 20/07/2011
For collection.....
Please contact me and well try arrange a place to meet. Im hoping to make midlands on sunday 24/07/2011 so I could meet guys there on along the road.
Pics to follow
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