Most Overrated and Underrated Players Mod warning post # 732

kryogen

Owen_S wrote: »

Ironically, most people cannot spell Cleverely either.

Is that the joke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cleverley

keano2012

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd say Busquets is fairly underrated! Antics aside an excellent footballer.

dont think me wrong- i think he is quality- a very decent footballer. But people make out that without him Barca would fall apart...he's not that good. Would like to see how he would cope as a defensive midfielder in england

kryogen

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd say Busquets is fairly underrated! Antics aside an excellent footballer.

Best in the world at what he does, but from discussion here and elsewhere the footballing world does recognise how important he is

GavRedKing

Busquets is possibily one of the greatest DM to ever have played the game in any era, I despise his antics and I'm not to fond of Barca but on pure footballing ability no DM comes near him right now, he really is that good.

Anytime would be blessed to have a player like Busquets in their starting XI.

kryogen

keano2012 wrote: »

dont think me wrong- i think he is quality- a very decent footballer. But people make out that without him Barca would fall apart...he's not that good. Would like to see how he would cope as a defensive midfielder in england

He really is that good tbh, what he does for the team is invaluable, so much so that Yaya was shipped off to make way for him.

Nuri Sahin

Quazzie wrote: »

I can't say I've ever really paid much attention to him to be perfectly honest, but can you explain why you think that.

Not disputing you by the way, just curious how you came to that conclusion.

Consistently dependable in every facet of defending quite simply, while being very good with the ball at his feet. Composed and able to pick a pass out.

For reference sake, Kompany and Chiellini wouldn't be far off neither. Both are the best in their respective league for me.

Hummels had IT

Dante had it last season.

Pepe should be one of the best defenders around, but his loco nature will prevent him from reaching the top tier of CB.

In the EPL, Sakho has the ability to be considered the best. Not one bit of bias in this comment if anyone here has read my thoughts on Sakho before Liverpool were even linked with him.

kryogen wrote: »

Why are so many people unable to spell Hart?

I've wanted to say something, just wasn't arsed. Tis annoying though.

keano2012

GavRedKing wrote: »

Busquets is possibily one of the greatest DM to ever have played the game in any era, I despise his antics and I'm not to fond of Barca but on pure footballing ability no DM comes near him right now, he really is that good.

Anytime would be blessed to have a player like Busquets in their starting XI.

are you serious now?? you put busquests in the same league as keane, viera, makelele, gerrard et al etc...really gav?

kryogen

GavRedKing wrote: »

Busquets is possibily one of the greatest DM to ever have played the game in any era, I despise his antics and I'm not to fond of Barca but on pure footballing ability no DM comes near him right now, he really is that good.

Anytime would be blessed to have a player like Busquets in their starting XI.

Sometimes I dream about him in a United jersey, then I wake up crying

Nuri Sahin

GavRedKing wrote: »

Busquets is possibily one of the greatest DM to ever have played the game in any era, I despise his antics and I'm not to fond of Barca but on pure footballing ability no DM comes near him right now, he really is that good.

Anytime would be blessed to have a player like Busquets in their starting XI.

Of all time? I'm not sure about that. Definitely the best around at this moment in time and has been for the past few years, antics aside though.

keano2012

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Of all time? I'm not sure about that. Definitely the best around at this moment in time and has been for the past few years, antics aside though.

his antics alone rule him out as one of the greatest ever. can u imagine keane or viera rolling around faking injury...

kryogen

keano2012 wrote: »

are you serious now?? you put busquests in the same league as keane, viera, makelele, gerrard et al etc...really gav?

None of Keane, Viera, Gerrard were DM's

Makelele was, and he was unbelievable at it, but Busquets gives you what he did and more. Technically gifted.

geeky

I reckon Ramires at Chelsea gets nothing near the credit he deserves. He's not a pretty player to watch but, in many a big game, he's single-handedly prevented an immobile, top heavy midfield from being overrun.

kryogen

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

I've wanted to say something, just wasn't arsed. Tis annoying though.

Ive let it go for ages just keep seeing it today and yesterday

kryogen

keano2012 wrote: »

his antics alone rule him out as one of the greatest ever. can u imagine keane or viera rolling around faking injury...

Funny you mention it, but yes I can see Viera rolling around faking injury, all I have to do is close my eyes and use my memory

GavRedKing

keano2012 wrote: »

are you serious now?? you put busquests in the same league as keane, viera, makelele, gerrard et al etc...really gav?

I think hes better then them at different things, I dont know why Gerrard is in there though, has he ever really played DM enough to be considered for this discussion?

For instance I'd have a Keane or Vieira as a leader and box to box player able to drive the team on from the final 3rd, I'd love a Makelele for his deep-lying playmaking and reading of the game.

Busquets takes elements of all those and combines them to form one of the most complete players around.

I'd kill for him in our midfield with Ramires.

Nuri Sahin

geeky wrote: »

I reckon Ramires at Chelsea gets nothing near the credit he deserves. He's not a pretty player to watch but, in many a big game, he's single-handedly prevented an immobile, top heavy midfield from being overrun.

I'd have said this a year or two ago, but has he not been somewhat average/poor this season?

*Haven't watched much of Chelsea this season to really notice*

GavRedKing

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

Of all time? I'm not sure about that. Definitely the best around at this moment in time and has been for the past few years, antics aside though.

He'll go down as one of the greatest I reckon, the years of Spanish and Barca dominance really will help, even if he does act like a little girl at times.

Nuri Sahin

GavRedKing wrote: »

He'll go down as one of the greatest I reckon, the years of Spanish and Barca dominance really will help, even if he does act like a little girl at times.

I best agree, otherwise I'll have Andersonisgod writing up an essay for me as to why he's the greatest of all time :P

But seriously, I do think he's been the best around for the past few years, no doubt about that. I'd like to see him at another club however, much like I wanted to see Pep at another club, although Bayern is not what I had in mind -_-

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A brief but decent read on Thiago Silva being considered the best in the world.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1633129-why-paris-st-germains-thiago-silva-is-the-worlds-best-defender

GavRedKing

Nuri Sahin wrote: »

I'd have said this a year or two ago, but has he not been somewhat average/poor this season?

*Haven't watched much of Chelsea this season to really notice*

I think hes done ok anyway, his role isnt really to bomb on but in games hes taken the opportunity to do so and left Lampard sitting infront of the back four.

Hes a good player but hes as likely to get sent off for a lunge as he is to put in a top drawer performance IMO and his decision making is very erratic.

That being said without him our CM is woeful, his energy, pace and drive can be pretty hard to stop when he gets going and without him we'd be killed with Lamps/Mikel/Essien.

keano2012

GavRedKing wrote: »

He'll go down as one of the greatest I reckon, the years of Spanish and Barca dominance really will help, even if he does act like a little girl at times.

i disagree....how you can put him as CM in the bracket as keane, viera, effenberg, xavi...whoever is beyond me. Id have nicky butt ahead of him


underrated- nicky butt

GavRedKing

keano2012 wrote: »

i disagree....how you can put him as CM in the bracket as keane, viera, effenberg, xavi...whoever is beyond me. Id have nicky butt ahead of him


underrated- nicky butt

You were doing very well until you said Nicky Butt.

wp_rathead

Very Underrated Player:
Darijo Srna

How a big team (no disrespect to Shaktar) never snapped him up is beyond me

Blatter

Busquets, best one touch passer you can find. Sensational close control, perfect positioning, a great physical presence, can tackle very well.

Not sure how a specialist DM could be much better tbh.

keano2012

wprathead wrote: »

Very Underrated Player:
Darijo Srna

How a big team (no disrespect to Shaktar) never snapped him up is beyond me

judging by his performance against united midweek though he is very over rated. Had an awaful game. But agree should have played with a bigger team.

Skylinehead

GavRedKing wrote: »

Busquets is possibily one of the greatest DM to ever have played the game in any era, I despise his antics and I'm not to fond of Barca but on pure footballing ability no DM comes near him right now, he really is that good.

Anytime would be blessed to have a player like Busquets in their starting XI.

He's easily the best right now, he's superb. Of all time? Probably not, Lothar Matthaus takes that for me.

keano2012

Skylinehead wrote: »

He's easily the best right now, he's superb. Of all time? Probably not, Lothar Matthaus takes that for me.

+1 for Matthaus

davids and deschamps also.

and ye are putting busquets in that bracket??

i think di rossi and pirlo are better than busquets now

Skylinehead

keano2012 wrote: »

+1 for Matthaus

davids and deschamps also.

and ye are putting busquets in that bracket??

i think di rossi and pirlo are better than busquets now

Pirlo's not a defensive midfielder at all. I'd disagree with De Rossi being better, and I'd consider him to be more of a box-to-box midfielder anyway.

Seaneh

Skylinehead wrote: »

Pirlo's not a defensive midfielder at all. I'd disagree with De Rossi being better, and I'd consider him to be more of a box-to-box midfielder anyway.

De Rossi is s DMC and he's better both technically, physically and defensively than biscuits. He's the best passer of the ball in the position in the world and a physical monster.

keano2012

Skylinehead wrote: »

Pirlo's not a defensive midfielder at all. I'd disagree with De Rossi being better, and I'd consider him to be more of a box-to-box midfielder anyway.

well if you are going to be that picky....then ya busquets is the best DM at the moment because he is actually the only DM playing football. All the others are creative, box-box, whatever.....

Skylinehead

Seaneh wrote: »

De Rossi is s DMC and he's better both technically, physically and defensively than biscuits. He's the best passer of the ball in the position in the world and a physical monster.

I don't think so, he likes to contribute to attack quite a lot so he's not really a defensive midfielder. Picking hairs there though. He's definitely not better technically, Busquet's passing is top notch. Physically, yes, De Rossi is monstrous. Defensively, I'm not sure because Barca tend to dominate possession so much so it's hard to tell, but I'll concede that De Rossi is so, so good at it. They're definitely both the best in their (similar enough) positions, and any team would be better with either.

hefferboi

Liverpool fan.

Underrated:
Giroud - don't here much about him at all. One of the best strikers in the league imo.

Kagawa - would help united so much if played in his proper position and given a sustained run of games.

Dani Alves - on par with Lahm as the best full back in the world. Better than a lot of wingers going forward and one of the best defenders in the game.

Toni Kroos - Would be a star for most of the top teams in the world. Unlucky that Bayern have so much talent in his position, but he still gets his game time.


Can't think of anyone overrated off the top of my head.

Skylinehead

hefferboi wrote: »

Liverpool fan.

Underrated:
Giroud - don't here much about him at all. One of the best strikers in the league imo.

Kagawa - would help united so much if played in his proper position and given a sustained run of games.

Dani Alves - on par with Lahm as the best full back in the world. Better than a lot of wingers going forward and one of the best defenders in the game.

Toni Kroos - Would be a star for most of the top teams in the world. Unlucky that Bayern have so much talent in his position, but he still gets his game time.


Can't think of anyone overrated off the top of my head.

I agree with all of those except Alves. His defending is pretty non-existent, he's always up the pitch and gets caught out of position. He seems to have lost some of his attacking ability over the last year as well.

Red Crow

Seaneh wrote: »

De Rossi is s DMC and he's better both technically, physically and defensively than biscuits. He's the best passer of the ball in the position in the world and a physical monster.

Busquets is a far better passer than De Rossi. It's not even close. Busquets is absolutely world class. He's best in his position in the world. The only edge I'd give to De Rossi over Busquets is his goal scoring record which is relatively insignificant becuase of the position they play.

Seaneh

Anyone who thinks biscuits has better passing ability than De Rossi is deluded. De Rossi's passing range would put most playmakers in the world to shame. When he plays at the back for Italy is literally playing the traditional sweeper role of building from the back, when he plays further forward he is a destructive monster, and on top of it all he has the technical ability to play as an 8 or a 10 when needed. He's the total midfielder, he has everything in his game.

Skylinehead

Seaneh wrote: »

Anyone who thinks biscuits has better passing ability than De Rossi is deluded.

I can play that game too. Anyone who thinks De Rossi has better passing ability than Busquets is deluded :rolleyes:

But, I wouldn't be that dismissive in the first place, unlike you. I do think De Rossi has a better range, but Busquets' one touch passing is far superior.

Moneymaker

Over-rated:

Gotze(always felt Reus was a better player, maybe Draxler and even Meyer are ahead of him now?)
Weidenfeller(why does this guy get a game for Dortmund?)
Jerome Boateng(always struck me as a weak link)
Santon(He's not a left back)
Shane Long(Doesn't score enough goals)
Ross Barkley(The wankfest in the English media is pretty laughable)
Joe Hart(Nothing needs to be said)
Ashley Young(Not Man Utd level imo)
Benteke(Scores a few goals but doesn't have the all around game imo)
Jose Enrique

Under-rated:

Kroos(One of the best around imo, wonderful player)
Thiago Silva(Best CB in the world imo)
De Rossi(Beast)
David Pizarro(Class player)
Giroud(Finishing could be better but general play he's excellent)
Lukaku(Why isn't he Chelsea's first choice?)
Vidal(Best midfielder in Italy for some time now)
Quagriellia(Always does a job when he plays)
Busquets(Possibly the best DM of all time)
Keita(Overlooked but he was important for Barca when they were dominant, gave them some extra height and a bit of steel)
Abidal(Excellent defender, shame about his health issues)
Winston Reid(Been a rock anytime i've seen him)
Lucas

Santi101

Overrated:

Vertonghen....attacking play/ball-playing masks average defending
Kompany..hyped more for leadership qualities.
Hummels.....shockingly overrated Rather Subotic, less flashy but less error prone.

Underrated:

Gareth Barry....has this bad rep since Germany destroyed England in 2010 but a very solid player. City blew 30m on Fernandinho and loaned him out which was ludicrous. And kept Rodwell.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

Are there any positions where Italian players aren't the best in in the world?

Most I'd say!

Santi101

Is Shane Long rated? I'd say hes just completely average.

Actually think Lucas is very overrated by Liverpool fans. Their midfield will cost them this season, no top 4 finish imo.

Skylinehead

rarnes1 wrote: »

Most I'd say!

Just Buffon at this point I think, even if he hasn't started the season that well he's still the best for my money.

I'll take De Rossi if he plays alongside Busquets :pac:

Maybe Pirlo still, there aren't exactly a plethora of registas to compete with him.

Seaneh

rarnes1 wrote: »

Most I'd say!

Pretty much, I'd only say there are 3 (maybe 4) Italian players who can current claim to be "one of the best" in their positions.

Buffon, Pirlo, De Rossi and maybe the big hairy fella from Pisa.

Skylinehead

Forgot about Chiellini. It's between him, Kompany and Thiago Silva for best centre half, but I think I'd (marginally) take Silva.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I wonder could Cazorla be considered under rated? Although I suppose I've never really heard anyone speak badly of him, just seems he doesn't get lauded as much as some of the other Spaniards.

Giggsy11

Seaneh wrote: »

Pretty much, I'd only say there are 3 (maybe 4) Italian players who can current claim to be "one of the best" in their positions.

Buffon, Pirlo, De Rossi and maybe the big hairy fella from Pisa.

How many mistakes he needs to make to consider he has past it? He WAS a great player and one of the best, now he isn't even the best in Serie A.

Skylinehead

Giggsy11 wrote: »

How many mistakes he needs to make to consider he has past it? He WAS a great player and one of the best, now he isn't even the best in Serie A.

He's made 2 mistakes this season. Not exactly enough to declare a player, any player, past it.

Kirby

Well Hart makes 2 a game isn't he world class sure?

Moneymaker

Marchetti and Handanovic are above Buffon atm imo.

Giggsy11

Skylinehead wrote: »

Now you're talking crap. 1 mistake last season, still the best keeper in the world. The years before that, I can't remember one single mistake.

May 4 2012

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1562tg_highlights-chievo-verona-juventus-1-2_sport

Also Bayern's first goal at Turin. He failed to clear the ball out of danger from free kick which led to the goal. He made similar mistakes in Serie A too.

Now if you don't remember don't come up with crap posts.

Edit: Added few more videos.

shamrock55

I have to say kolo toure is underated he has been a beast of a player so far this season and from what i can remember he was a fine player in his arsenal days too

keano2012

greendom wrote: »

This season - average goals per game

Bundesliga - 3.31

Serie A 2.97

La Liga 2.81

Ligue 1 2.32

EPL 2.31

ya but with the like of Sassuolo playing in Serie A..it will always help the golas per game ratio

http://www1.skysports.com/football/teams/sassuolo/results

serie a is awful to watch....its nots that its too tactical i just think the quality is rubbish. most corrupt league in the world too i reckon