HC semi-final: Leinster v Toulouse 30th April 2011, 1530

BoarHunter

That is just the last of faith i had in ERC gone for me ... this is ridiculous in my opinion. The player could be playing for any team and be any nationality he deserves a ban. I for example think that Candelon case should be revised to a ban for his murder aginst the Saints number 9. but i think you can't be cited if you have been penalized on the fact... which is a shame.

When i am fully behind Leinster to give the english a right spank in the final i just think this decision is totally wrong and cast a shadow on their way to victory.

In the meantime Roncero was cited for a late charge on Parra in AMLIN. Something that wasn't even whistled by the referee.

Where is the logic ?

na na na this is not right.

JustinDee

The Citing commmissioner at one game saw something to cite. Another at another game didn't.
Thats life.

BoarHunter

JustinDee wrote: »

The Citing commmissioner at one game saw something to cite. Another at another game didn't.
Thats life.

or turned a blind eye which is the obvious. the guy sent a man back to the showers intentionnaly ( whatever was happening in the game at that moment ). come on ... that's life ... :rolleyes:

Teferi

BoarHunter wrote: »

cast a shadow on their way to victory.

I agree with you the lad should should have been banned but this sentence is nonsense.

Leinster have had the hardest road to the final by miles. SOB has been the best player in the HEC. It casts absolutely no shadow whatsoever and if somebody tries to say that one tiny incident devalues a cracking season then there is a smell of begrudgery around.

wixfjord

BoarHunter wrote: »

That is just the last of faith i had in ERC gone for me ... this is ridiculous in my opinion. The player could be playing for any team and be any nationality he deserves a ban. I for example think that Candelon case should be revised to a ban for his murder aginst the Saints number 9. but i think you can't be cited if you have been penalized on the fact... which is a shame.

When i am fully behind Leinster to give the english a right spank in the final i just think this decision is totally wrong and cast a shadow on their way to victory.

In the meantime Roncero was cited for a late charge on Parra in AMLIN. Something that wasn't even whistled by the referee.

Where is the logic ?

na na na this is not right.

Ah suck it up, it made no difference to the game, and if it had been whistled, would Nyanga have been caught for holding too?
What difference does it make to you now that all the French teams are out?
Shadow my arse, we'll have beaten the three best teams in England and France if we win the tournament, the hardest route ever, and indeed the hardest possible.

Typical whingey French! /gross stereotype

JustinDee

BoarHunter wrote: »

or turned a blind eye which is the obvious. the guy sent a man back to the showers intentionnaly ( whatever was happening in the game at that moment ). come on ... that's life ... :rolleyes:

It isn't "the obvious".
In fact, claiming a match official to be willfully tainted is quite a serious charge, especially with no proof whatsoever.

Conspiratorial and morally relative rubbish about players on French teams being singled out is also u-bendworthy. Used to be funny. Now just pathetically 'ennuyeux'. Toulouse didn't even complain to the citing commissioner. And Roncero, having plenty of previous, is an easy target for any disciplinary official to spot.

I can guarantee you one thing and no proof needed. If Nyanga (why was he even starting on that side?) tried that crap again, he'd get the exact back again.

theofficepest2

In the irish Times

O’Brien reacted by flinging his arm back and striking his Zaire-born opposite number in the face. The injury Nyanga subsequently suffered meant he had to be replaced by captain Thierry Dusautoir.

Surely o'Brien must have the strenght of a Grizzly bear if Nyanga had to go off for this? I thought he was only 'Bullock' strong.

:pac: Ourp

irishbucsfan

JustinDee wrote: »

If Nyanga (why was he even starting on that side?) tried that crap again, he'd get the exact back again.

Interesting to see you condoning O'Brien's actions!

MarVeL

Very glad to see there was no citing but I have to admit I did feel there was a case to answer.

JustinDee

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Interesting to see you condoning O'Brien's actions!

I'm not condoning it.

I replied to a poster on his claim that the citing commissioner at the Aviva was somehow bent.
Then I said Sean O'Brien would thump Nyanga again if Nyanga tried that again.

Thats not condoning anything. I'm glad he didn't get cited but would have said fair dinkum if he had been called up on it.

BoarHunter

wixfjord wrote: »

Ah suck it up, it made no difference to the game, and if it had been whistled, would Nyanga have been caught for holding too?
What difference does it make to you now that all the French teams are out?
Shadow my arse, we'll have beaten the three best teams in England and France if we win the tournament, the hardest route ever, and indeed the hardest possible.

Typical whingey French! /gross stereotype

I don't care who wins or who lose in HCup , expecially after such a good game. If Toulouse wins the HCUp it's nice, if it's someone else so be it. I am more interested in TOP14 ( which is from my personal point view a more difficult competition ) . As i live in Ireland and love the country i back Leinster for the Finale of the HCUp and gladly.

I am just concerned by the judgement of the ERC commission which is a real joke and proved it again this week end. Just does nothing good to the reputation of the Cup itself.

The player is very good, would be a shame to miss the finale but after what he did he should answer in front of a disciplinary commitee, i'm sorry to say that. Otherwise everything is permitted on the pitch.

EDIT : and i think you need to have at least a quarter of semi away to call it hardest route but it's another debate which is i think meaningless anyway. The HCUP is made of this. One year the finale is in paris and semis are all in france : everybody was WHINGING in Ireland about this if i remember well. The other year it's different. this Cup will never be completely fair and will always be for calendar reasons and game development sake. To do well you should scrap the group stages and focus on the domestic leagues.

The Rooster

O’Brien reacted by flinging his arm back and striking his Zaire-born opposite number in the face. The injury Nyanga subsequently suffered meant he had to be replaced by captain Thierry Dusautoir.

This misinformation from Thornley in the Times is causing a lot of the angst it seems.

Dusautoir was ready to come on before the incident.

JustinDee

BoarHunter wrote: »

I am just concerned by the judgement of the ERC commission which is a real joke and proved it again this week end. Just does nothing good to the reputation of the Cup itself

If they punish someone for sticking a digit in a player's eye socket, for example, you cry foul and that its because its a French team or player involved (despite the fact that the FFR as well as being a partner in the ERC is also well represented within it).
If they don't punish anyone, you cry foul still.

Maybe it should be just like your wonderful Top 14 where players can escape any disciplinary review altogether? Thats what you get when privately-owned franchises hold more sway.

If you want to be fair here, try to be equivalent with critique of the French pro league. You quote it as an example when it is anything but.

BoarHunter

JustinDee wrote: »

If they punish someone for sticking a digit in a player's eye socket, for example, you cry foul and that its because its a French team or player involved (despite the fact that the FFR as well as being a partner in the ERC is also well represented within it).
If they don't punish anyone, you cry foul still.

Maybe it should be just like your wonderful Top 14 where players can escape any disciplinary review altogether? Thats what you get when privately-owned franchises hold more sway.

If you want to be fair here, try to be equivalent with critique of the French pro league. You quote it as an example when it is anything but.

i didn't quote TOP14 as an exemple of fairness, they have their share of bad decisions within.

molloyjh

BoarHunter wrote: »

I don't care who wins or who lose in HCup , expecially after such a good game. If Toulouse wins the HCUp it's nice, if it's someone else so be it. I am more interested in TOP14 ( which is from my personal point view a more difficult competition ) . As i live in Ireland and love the country i back Leinster for the Finale of the HCUp and gladly.

I am just concerned by the judgement of the ERC commission which is a real joke and proved it again this week end. Just does nothing good to the reputation of the Cup itself.

The player is very good, would be a shame to miss the finale but after what he did he should answer in front of a disciplinary commitee, i'm sorry to say that. Otherwise everything is permitted on the pitch.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. These things are never perfect. Nor can they be. Nyanga wasn't seriously hurt because of what happened (he played on for a few mins after). If you're going to get upset over that you should also get upset about the offence that led to it. That had more potential to be game-changer than SOBs thump. Dusatoir was always going to replace Nyanga. At most this just meant it happened a couple of minutes earlier. Had the game panned out differently though Nyangas infringement could have cost Leinster their place in the final.

Anyway he's a big lad and he knew what he was doing. I'm sure he'll get over it. It's the risk you take in those situations. But if you want the officials to spot these things then you'll have to hold them to that standard constantly, not just when it suits. Don't award the try, card SOB and reverse the penalty in favour of Toulouse. I'd be willing to bet that Toulouse would rather the 7 than the 3.

BoarHunter

I'm not saying this changed the game. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE END RESULT. WELL DONE LEINSTER and best of luck in the finale

profitius

Nyanga deserved a smack for holding SOB off the ball. Its nothing serious. Like a player lieing offside in rucks that get a good shoeing.

Boarhunter makes a good point though. SOB should have got a week or two suspension. That would have been fair.

molloyjh

BoarHunter wrote: »

I'm not saying this changed the game. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE END RESULT. WELL DONE LEINSTER and best of luck in the finale

I'm not saying it did. I'm just saying that at that point in time the Nyanga offence was far more likely to change the course of the game than SOBs. And if you want officials to spot everything then it needs to be everything. And how many people out there spot everything all the time?

These things happen. They go your way sometimes, not others. It's imperfect, but what isn't?

sock puppet

Not a chance Toulouse would have taken the 3 points. Their scrum was already dominant against 8.

BoarHunter

profitius wrote: »

Nyanga deserved a smack for holding SOB off the ball. Its nothing serious. Like a player lieing offside in rucks that get a good shoeing.

Boarhunter makes a good point though. SOB should have got a week or two suspension. That would have been fair.

Actually after reviewing the video for the first time i think Nyanga was well right to hold on SOB who linked out of the scrum well before the ball poped out of it so who started the foul ?

profitius

BoarHunter wrote: »

Actually after reviewing the video for the first time i think Nyanga was well right to hold on SOB who linked out of the scrum well before the ball poped out of it so who started the foul ?

He just deserves it ok!

get over it

Dr.Evil

BoarHunter wrote: »

Actually after reviewing the video for the first time i think Nyanga was well right to hold on SOB who linked out of the scrum well before the ball poped out of it so who started the foul ?

Because all great back rows play legally..

Things like this happen in rugby, sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't. End of.

irishbucsfan

Dr.Evil wrote: »

Because all great back rows play legally..

Things like this happen in rugby, sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't. End of.

That's his point. People are saying that Nyanga got a smack because he was breaking the rules. But O'Brien was as well, so it's hardly a justification. That's the point.

O'Brien should have been cited, and should have been banned. End of. French supporters have every right to complain, and to say "get over it" is unfair. Absolutely justice has not been served, and French people have a right to feel aggrieved.

But I am definitely much happier to say that than if I was saying "Sean O'Brien deserves his ban!"

Hippo

Jeez this is getting tedious. How about we go back to Morgan Parra breaking Sexton's jaw in last year's HEC? Any justice there? Certainly didn't help the Leinster campaign to retain the trophy.

Sometimes these things get picked up and sometimes they don't. C'est, as Gerry Thornley might say, la vie.

BoarHunter

BoarHunter wrote: »

That is just the last of faith i had in ERC gone for me ... this is ridiculous in my opinion. The player could be playing for any team and be any nationality he deserves a ban. I for example think that Candelon case should be revised to a ban for his murder aginst the Saints number 9. but i think you can't be cited if you have been penalized on the fact... which is a shame.

When i am fully behind Leinster to give the english a right spank in the final i just think this decision is totally wrong and cast a shadow on their way to victory.

In the meantime Roncero was cited for a late charge on Parra in AMLIN. Something that wasn't even whistled by the referee.

Where is the logic ?

na na na this is not right.

Correction : Candelon was cited which is justice i think. Emphazise even more SOB case now only the french play dirty, everybody knows that