Ketosis - having trouble getting "into it"

EileenG · 20-04-2011 5:19pm

Saturated fats are not a problem. It's a myth that saturated fats cause heart disease, one which is lovingly repeated by the makers of margarine and yogurt drinks. Transfats are the evil ones which clog arteries.

Either count the raw food, weigh out X grams of whatever meat it is, calcalate the calories and add any extra fat used in cooking. Or cook and weigh, then look up the cals for the cooked version. Tesco often gives the nutritional values per cooked portion for its meat.

Ice. · 20-04-2011 8:30pm

EileenG wrote: »

Saturated fats are not a problem. It's a myth that saturated fats cause heart disease, one which is lovingly repeated by the makers of margarine and yogurt drinks.

It's a myth that saturated fats are not a problem, one which is lovingly repeated by the meat & dairy industries and their proxies.

EileenG wrote: »

Transfats are the evil ones which clog arteries.

You better strike ruminants off your consumption list then.

Davei141 · 20-04-2011 8:47pm

Ice. wrote: »

It's a myth that saturated fats are not a problem, one which is lovingly repeated by the meat & dairy industries and their proxies.

You better strike ruminants off your consumption list then.

Nobody cares about your vegan bullshit.

Ice. · 20-04-2011 8:50pm

Davei141 wrote: »

Nobody cares about your vegan bullshit.

I guess people like to hear good things about their bad habits..

Davei141 · 20-04-2011 8:55pm

Preach it.

Ice. · 20-04-2011 9:00pm

Davei141 wrote: »

Preach it.

What is this supposed to mean?

Davei141 · 20-04-2011 9:25pm

It means your problem is with people who don't subscribe to veganism and has nothing to do with foods being healthy or unhealthy.

Ice. · 20-04-2011 9:38pm

Davei141 wrote: »

It means your problem is with people who don't subscribe to veganism and has nothing to do with foods being healthy or unhealthy.

I don't have a problem with people who don't "subscribe to veganism". What I do have a problem with is misinformation that is propagated and regurgitated ad infinitum. I won't be a cheerleader for the "saturated animal fat is good" brigade. That kind of information is either desperately ignorant or deliberately irresponsible.

Mellor · 21-04-2011 3:49am

Nobody said it was good, they said it wasn't bad.
Saturated fats are animal based.
A coconut is a decent proportion of saturated fat

21-04-2011 8:25am

EileenG wrote: »

Saturated fats are not a problem. It's a myth that saturated fats cause heart disease, one which is lovingly repeated by the makers of margarine and yogurt drinks. Transfats are the evil ones which clog arteries.

Really? I thought it was all about the packing efficiency of the fatty acid chains, in which case saturated fats and trans fats are equal. Is it the double bond?

This is the first time I've heard anything like that, I'm really confused.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 21-04-2011 3:12pm

Well anyway back to the topic:

Can too much protein stop you from getting into ketosis?

EileenG · 21-04-2011 4:30pm

Lilah Silly Slogan wrote: »

Well anyway back to the topic:

Can too much protein stop you from getting into ketosis?

Yes, since in large qualities it can be broken down into glucose, but this is more of a protein with supplemental protein powders like whey than with real food.

EileenG · 21-04-2011 4:31pm

true-or-false wrote: »

Really? I thought it was all about the packing efficiency of the fatty acid chains, in which case saturated fats and trans fats are equal. Is it the double bond?

This is the first time I've heard anything like that, I'm really confused.

The first time you've heard that transfats are evil?

21-04-2011 10:24pm

EileenG wrote: »

The first time you've heard that transfats are evil?

Nope. But I'm due to sit a metabolism exam next week and this is the first time I've heard there's a difference between transfats and saturated fats. You're usually the voice of truth on these things so I assumed you know something I don't. Is it the double bond?

OP, sorry bout being off-topic, if this isn't cleared up easily I'll start a fresh thread for it, I don't mean to hi-jack.

EileenG · 21-04-2011 11:24pm

Apart from a few naturally occurring transfats like CLA, transfats are usually cheap vegetable oils which have been chemically processed to make them solid at room temperature and which your body can't handle. The human body has thousands of years of experience of digesting sat fats, but not transfats. For a long time, people doing studies tended to lump sat fats and trans fat in together, and so a steak with 20g of sat fat was counted in the same category as fries with 20g of highly processed and overheated transfats.

whiteonion · 24-04-2011 7:29pm

I don't excersise so I wonder is it possible for a person with my lifestyle to stay in ketosis on 40-50 grams of carbohydrates a day. I have been a bit to liberal with the carbs latley. How low do I need to go to stay in ketosis?

EileenG · 24-04-2011 11:58pm

whiteonion wrote: »

I don't excersise so I wonder is it possible for a person with my lifestyle to stay in ketosis on 40-50 grams of carbohydrates a day. I have been a bit to liberal with the carbs latley. How low do I need to go to stay in ketosis?

Lower the carbs to get into ketosis, then add a few more gradually to find what level will keep you in ketosis. This varies from person to person, there is no set amount.

Mellor · 27-04-2011 6:24am

hows does this lok, going to give it a shot next week

Breakfast: Bacon and eggs
Snack: Protein shake
Lunch: chicken or tuna with capsicum, mushrooms, chilli
Pre-gym Protein shake
Post gym milk or similar drink
dinner: chicken/steak with brocolli or similar
snack: nuts

Amtmann · 29-04-2011 9:38am

EileenG wrote: »

The first time, you'll feel pretty crap, your body thinks you are starving and it takes a while to adjust to not having an endless supply of sugar to burn. It's never as bad after that.

Crap as in feeling light headed and weakish? I had a bout of that last week and I think now it must be because I entered ketosis. Eating very few carbs (I haven't quantified them, but between 100 and 70g I would say, possibly less)..

EileenG · 29-04-2011 3:44pm

Sounds about right. Are you feeling normal again?

Amtmann · 29-04-2011 3:53pm

Yes, better than before actually.

metamorphosis · 29-04-2011 4:00pm

Considering the daily cardio you do too tremelo, you're deffo in ketosis i imagine. Usually crappy feeling at first, like strong caffeine withdrawls and then feel good and then great.

Amtmann · 29-04-2011 4:08pm

metamorphosis wrote: »

Considering the daily cardio you do too tremelo, you're deffo in ketosis i imagine. Usually crappy feeling at first, like strong caffeine withdrawls and then feel good and then great.

Yes, the wind was really knocked out of my sails for a few days. Where before I could cycle non-stop for 1.5 hours and be recovered within a moment or two, last week I was almost dead after 20 minutes, and dizzy to boot. Not pleasant, but it's a good feeling now that that's over.

danlen · 29-04-2011 4:09pm

Isnt 70-100g quite a high amount of carbs to be able to reach ketosis at?? I would have thought it would definetely need to be under 50g anyway. Does it just come down to an individual's carb tolerance?

Amtmann · 29-04-2011 4:12pm

danlen wrote: »

Isnt 70-100g quite a high amount of carbs to be able to reach ketosis at?? I would have thought it would definetely need to be under 50g anyway. Does it just come down to an individual's carb tolerance?

Yeah, see I think I'm dipping in and out of it. I don't think I'm in full-blown ketosis. The only carbs I'm getting come from perhaps 350g vegetables every day and maybe 3 or four pieces of small fruit.

EileenG · 29-04-2011 4:12pm

That, and the amount of exercise they do. I know people who can be in ketosis on 150g of carbs, because they do a lot of cycling. The 20g figure you see so often is the point at which you can't possibly avoid ketosis, even if you do nothing but lie in bed all day.

Once ketosis is established, most people raise their carb intake until they find the level at which they can eat comfortably while staying in ketosis.

danlen · 29-04-2011 4:25pm

Yeah that makes sense, presumably because the amount of extra energy required for exercise will mean that the glucose in the system provided by the carbs will be completely used up, and hence ketones will still be required as a fuel requirement??

Would a glucose meter be more accurate in predicting ketosis than using the usual ketostix? I'm starting a keto diet soon and I was thinking of using one as a measure...

EileenG · 29-04-2011 11:30pm

Really not worth it unless you have specific medical issues, and having tried it, I can tell you that pricking yourself to get the blood to do the tests gets old really quickly. Don't know how they do it at Pelican House that they always get enough for a sample, but when I tried getting big drops of blood using the pricky thing in the kit, it never bled enough to be useful.

Besides, your body is very good at keeping glucose levels normal in your body, so that even in ketosis, you'll have a basic amount of circulating glucose, you just won't get the peaks after meals.

Ketostix are handy enough, and honestly, you'll soon get to know the feeling of being in ketosis and not need them.

Mellor · 30-04-2011 6:23am

EileenG wrote: »

Don't know how they do it at Pelican House that they always get enough for a sample, but when I tried getting big drops of blood using the pricky thing in the kit, it never bled enough to be useful.

it's simple that they use a gibber gauge needle, prehaps deeper too.
that's fine for once in a blue moon, but the regular/hpuse use ones need to be smaller if you are doing it every day, or even a few imes a day.

also, any comments on my diet plan above, starting monday

Amtmann · 30-04-2011 10:04am

metamorphosis wrote: »

Considering the daily cardio you do too tremelo, you're deffo in ketosis i imagine. Usually crappy feeling at first, like strong caffeine withdrawls and then feel good and then great.

Just tested with Ketostix. I'm definitely in ketosis with a reading of 40mg/dL (two + signs or 'Moyen' on the container legend).

Is there an optimal reading for those wishing to be in ketosis?

Ketosis - having trouble getting "into it"

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