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Bike Upgrade - BMW F800R - thoughts?

  • 12-04-2011 8:11am
    #1
    scorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭


    Hi all,

    I'm looking to upgrade the Bros for a larger 'naked' style bike in the future. I've been pondering for ages and can't seem to find something that grabs me. To be honest, I haven't actually been out and tested any yet but just from forums and internet search.

    So - after reading galwaytt's thread on his rental experience of the F800R I started looking at it.

    Anyone on here own one that can give a bit of feedback? I'm mainly a commuter (every day, all weather) but would like to get out a bit more on the weekends. The Bros is now 20 years old so I need to treat it with respect - long distances are also no the most comfortable.

    What are BMW like to service in general? (I'm not the type that needs to get a service from the dealerships - I know a good bike mechanic who will do if that's any cheaper). Any other issues or advantages?

    Would like to hear general feedback from folk here...

    Thanks


Comments

  • #2
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    I would prefer the new z1000 over the BMW.


  • #3
    Pigeon Reaper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Pigeon Reaper


    I use a BMW for some long trips and commuting. It's a bit different to the other Japanese bikes I've owned but you get used to it quickly. They are reliable once serviced and looked after and the quality is slightly better than the japanese bikes but then you will pay more. If you're planning on going far look at getting a small fairing. The F800 also tend to go for easier cruising speed rather than outright performance so expect torque instead of blistering top speeds. Bros where good in their day but things have really moved on. See about ABS if you're using it in all weathers and you'll love the belt drive. My own BMW is easy to service and the parts are quick and easy to find. The F800 will have some bits you can't resonably do yourself like most modern bikes but don't let that put you off.


  • #4
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,786 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Cuddlesworth wrote: »
    I would prefer the new z1000 over the BMW.

    Different bike, different function. The F800R is a stylish, light, very economical roadster.

    The Z is more muscle bike - nothing wrong with that, but there's no comparison. The F will probably be more saleable down the road, as well -most BeeEmm's are, esp simple ones.

    OP, as on my thread, the seating position I found a bit tight, but I think it had the low seat fitted (both feet flat on the ground). Me, I'd buy the F800GS for the riding position and handlebars, but the R is probably cheaper.

    If you like the riding position of your Bros, I think the R is a good match.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #5
    Wossack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭Wossack


    I'd say cuddlesworth means the new z1000sx


  • #6
    fatbast
    Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭fatbast


    good bikes,but avoid early models, which had engine problems mostly fixed under warranty. kinda pricey for what they are tho maybe look at triumph/honda alternatives like street triple/tiger800 or hornet 600...i've a bmw r1200s at the moment for sale which does the same job for a mere 5750:).....here's a pic


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  • #7
    Cuddlesworth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Wossack wrote: »
    I'd say cuddlesworth means the new z1000sx

    I didn't but now I've got a new hard-on. That is a sexy sexy bike. And with the z1000 engine must be amazing to drive.


  • #8
    ifah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭ifah


    z750r for me - in white !


  • #9
    bogman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bogman


    Take a test ride on the new Triumph Tiger 800 and you wont be long making your mind up, for me it would have to be the 800XC, test drive both, also BMW servicing is frighteningly expensive @ around 100€ /hr+

    2011-triumph-tiger-800-an-3_800x0w.jpg


  • #10
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,786 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I like the Triumph too, and will try one for myself: but how much do Dublin Triumph charge per hour ? I bet it's very similar to BeeEmm.........someone has to pay for all that glass/stainless/coffee/potted plant's............

    One thing about that Triumph though, and I felt it about my 1200GS - impossible to keep clean, and looks like ****e after 1 wet week.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #11
    scorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭scorn


    How critical is it that you get BMW/Triumph serviced at the dealerships? What if you have a trusted bike mechanic?


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  • #12
    doc crock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭doc crock


    scorn wrote: »
    How critical is it that you get BMW/Triumph serviced at the dealerships? What if you have a trusted bike mechanic?


    Dont know about triumph but BMW are fine with you getting it serviced elsewhere once your mechanic uses genuine BMW parts where necessary.

    Btw the f800r looks great , i would have one in a heartbeat


  • #13
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,786 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    scorn wrote: »
    How critical is it that you get BMW/Triumph serviced at the dealerships? What if you have a trusted bike mechanic?
    doc crock wrote: »
    Dont know about triumph but BMW are fine with you getting it serviced elsewhere once your mechanic uses genuine BMW parts where necessary.

    Btw the f800r looks great , i would have one in a heartbeat

    That's just it you see; your regular bike mechanic would only be able to service some of it: oils, filter's, chain, sprocket's etc.

    Which, in fairness, is the stuff you'll need done most often.

    Unless he's spent €12k (yes, €12,000 ! :eek: ) on the diagnostic machine (for both the Triumph & BeeEmm btw.........), you won't be able to do firmware updates, fuelling maps upgrades, sensor readout's, ABS and brakework etc. - you need the diagnostic machine to change the brake fluid.........

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #14
    Wossack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,026 ✭✭✭Wossack


    or ye can use TuneECU for triumphs for free :)


  • #15
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,786 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Wossack wrote: »
    or ye can use TuneECU for triumphs for free :)

    So. would you let a non-dealer, using a laptop, at your €8k+ bike ?

    Not saying NOT to use the s/ware - grand if you're using it on your bike.

    But someone else, on yours ??

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #16
    Rosahane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Joe Duffy do fixed price services which, crucially include the use of a loan bike! Gives you the chance to play with other models :D

    Don't underestimate the benefits of dealing with a main dealer like JD when it comes to warranty work also.

    The loaner makes a big difference as otherwise you have to have somebody pick you you up or face a couple of bus trips. :mad:

    The F800 R is a lovely bike, great handling and performance but the wind becomes an issue when you are making progress especially on the motorway ;)


  • #17
    scorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭scorn


    Thanks for that, and the loan bike does sound decent alright. I know what it's like trying to arrange a service otherwise... Will have to check the price of the 'fixed price' services - don't want to cripple myself with a decent bike that I can't afford to service.

    As for wind, can't be worse than the Bros. And there are 2 screen options for the F800R that I'm aware of, so will look into that too.


  • #18
    Rosahane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    scorn wrote: »
    Thanks for that, and the loan bike does sound decent alright. I know what it's like trying to arrange a service otherwise... Will have to check the price of the 'fixed price' services - don't want to cripple myself with a decent bike that I can't afford to service.

    As for wind, can't be worse than the Bros. And there are 2 screen options for the F800R that I'm aware of, so will look into that too.

    JD, or any of the BMW dealers probably have a demo F800R if you want a test ride. If you ring them they will quote the service prices. The prices have dropped significantly from the Celtic Tiger days and are pretty reasonable. If you are buying secondhabd there are also a few good independent BMW service people around that have previously worked for BMW dealerships and have all the diagnostic equipment.

    Best of luck with your decision.


  • #19
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    I like the look of the 800gs. As Rosahane said, service prices have fallen, last I heard there was a lot of mechanics wandering around Joe Duffy with nothing to do. If you do oil and brakes yourself its not too bad. I still haven't been there in a while, had a few bad experiences there


  • #20
    Cionn
    Registered Users Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Cionn


    Personally I have been bitten badly with BMW repair and servicing costs enough to put me right off the brand. I have an 800 st lovely bike it really is, but when it goes wrong the cost of repairs are horrendous. I recently had to get a new shaft and bearing for the rear which cost over 900 lids. I bought the bike just over two years ago second hand from a bm dealer and have only put 5k miles on it since. Also there were other repairs and it was a brutal bill to pay up on.

    C
    (still in therapy over it)


  • #21
    Rosahane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    I like the look of the 800gs. As Rosahane said, service prices have fallen, last I heard there was a lot of mechanics wandering around Joe Duffy with nothing to do. If you do oil and brakes yourself its not too bad. I still haven't been there in a while, had a few bad experiences there

    Bad experiences can happen allright, I saw it with a friend's bike in JD - bought SH privately after an off - quoted for a huge amount of work which wasn't actually required :mad:

    That said, I never had any problem there, nothing but good experiences, they even got me a FD goodwill replacement almost a year out of warranty :D

    I think any main dealer may have the same issues on occasions, the stories are the same for all the makes :eek:


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  • #22
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    I spent 20k on a new bike in there. Went to collect it and it was the wrong colour and had the wrong tyres. Also, had to make a complaint because one if the people in there was tried to charge me a grand extra on stuff that was included in the price of the bike :eek:
    Another time I went to pick up my bike at agreed time and it wasn't ready. Not too serious, but a simple phone call would have saved me a lot of hassle.

    Had a few good experiences too, and the lads working there now are bang on. As far as I know, the guy who gave me the first problem doesn't work there anymore.


  • #23
    bogman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭bogman


    720€ for a 35000km service on my BMW K1200r (excluding tyres) :mad: was the last straw for me, plenty "quality" alternatives out there, make sure you take test rides on other bikes Scorn


  • #24
    scorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭scorn


    bogman wrote: »
    720€ for a 35000km service on my BMW K1200r (excluding tyres) :mad: was the last straw for me, plenty "quality" alternatives out there, make sure you take test rides on other bikes Scorn

    Ouch - I presume that wasn't a fixed price service then...

    In the past I have managed my own servicing on the Bros, but after 5 years I decided to take it in for a professional's eye over it all. That cost me €260 with nothing more done to it than I would have done myself.

    It's unlikely that I'd get away with that on a more modern bike though (i.e. servicing it myself) so the servicing costs are definitely food for thought.


  • #25
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,786 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Cionn wrote: »
    Personally I have been bitten badly with BMW repair and servicing costs enough to put me right off the brand. I have an 800 st lovely bike it really is, but when it goes wrong the cost of repairs are horrendous. I recently had to get a new shaft and bearing for the rear which cost over 900 lids. I bought the bike just over two years ago second hand from a bm dealer and have only put 5k miles on it since. Also there were other repairs and it was a brutal bill to pay up on.

    C
    (still in therapy over it)

    ...hmm, that's a shocker alright: but a question: the ST is belt driven....there is no drive shaft ........so what 'shaft' is there to fix at the rear, and for that much money ??? :confused:

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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