'Back To Basics' Tourney Discussion

FewFew · 22-04-2011 12:34pm

Solitaire wrote: »

Its pretty much Lightning/Fire based. It could damage the Termie armor, but unless the armor was already severely compromised by Ghostie wailing on it for a loooong time first it wouldn't be fatal in Eliphas' case. Tzeentch's boon imbues his armor with incredible energy resistance it would shield him from the majority of the elemental/energy damage and then Nurgle's would mop up the leftovers with biomechanical regen. Still... why didn't I think to finish it that way??!?

Still... last couple of match-ups hurt. I wanted Black Cat to get a bit further because I have a long-running soft spot for her and she's pretty darn capable up until the low-mid tiers, and Eliphas is a screaming ball of hate and high-tier silliness that should have gone quite far in this tourney causing a few nice upsets along the way, barring any kind of absurdly unfortunate mishap... oh dear

I think that, right now, a saved memcording of Eliphas waits to be reincarnated on the plains of Chaos, already planning the terrible vengeance he shall wreak on Black Cat for having the indecency to have her own hex-field backfire on her and clip Eliphas along the way, resulting in Failblog Power :P

Can you play Eliphas in the game? Or is he just a character? I'd imagine he'd be prrrretty damn unstoppable if all he had to face were space marines etc.

Galvasean · 22-04-2011 2:35pm

Fewcifur wrote: »

Can you play Eliphas in the game? Or is he just a character? I'd imagine he'd be prrrretty damn unstoppable if all he had to face were space marines etc.

You can play as him in Retribution. As you progress in missions you earn new abilities. The ones I loaded him out with are a selection of the powers available to him (you can't actually pick all the upgrades in a single campaign because that would be ludicrous!). As there is no canon story set for Retribution (it's a fairly new game and we won't know what story arcs are canon until they make another DoW game), I chose the ones that are most in line with his character, ie: keeping himself alive at all costs and worrying about everything else later (with the exception of the mark of Khorne, whose blessings are almost exclusively offensive as the Blood God cares not whose blood spills so long as it spills!).

There are also characters in the Wh40k universe whose power dwarfs that of Eliphas...

Galvasean · 22-04-2011 2:48pm

Solitaire wrote: »

I think that, right now, a saved memcording of Eliphas waits to be reincarnated on the plains of Chaos, already planning the terrible vengeance he shall wreak on Black Cat for having the indecency to have her own hex-field backfire on her and clip Eliphas along the way, resulting in Failblog Power :P

Funny that Eliphas seems to have rubbed off on some of you... Originally the only reason the makers of Dawn of War brought him back after being killed in Dark Crusade was "due to his unexpected popularity among fans".

FewFew · 22-04-2011 8:45pm

Oh, so he's playable in DoW? Ah ok. But I meant in the WH 40k with the lil figures etc, I don't know a huge amount about it, but can you go out and buy the figurine and wreak havoc?

Solitaire · 22-04-2011 8:59pm

Does Noob still have any of his old cryomancy powers for this tourney or is he limited to his shadow magic?

FewFew · 22-04-2011 9:12pm

Solitaire wrote: »

Does Noob still have any of his old cryomancy powers for this tourney or is he limited to his shadow magic?

Shadow magic, he lost the freeze-o skills when he became Noob rather than Sub original.

Galvasean · 23-04-2011 5:25am

Fewcifur wrote: »

Oh, so he's playable in DoW? Ah ok. But I meant in the WH 40k with the lil figures etc, I don't know a huge amount about it, but can you go out and buy the figurine and wreak havoc?

Haven't been involved with the figures game in many years. As far as I know none of the DoW characters are available in the table top game.

Solitaire wrote: »

Does Noob still have any of his old cryomancy powers for this tourney or is he limited to his shadow magic?

I'm pretty sure once he became Noob Saibot he lost all of his sub-zero style ice abilities.

FewFew · 23-04-2011 3:48pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Haven't been involved with the figures game in many years. As far as I know none of the DoW characters are available in the table top game.

Oh he's just a DoW character? Aw right, sure I thought he was old school 40k by the sounds of it. Ah ok.

Galvasean · 23-04-2011 9:52pm

Fewcifur wrote: »

Oh he's just a DoW character? Aw right, sure I thought he was old school 40k by the sounds of it. Ah ok.

Back in my playing days (of the table top game) they were moving from 2nd to 3rd edition of the rules. One of the big changes they made was to bring down the power of champions and special characters. This proved unpopular with many. I think they are on 5th edition now and from reading the GW website characters seem to be very mighty again.

PS: sorry 'bout the delay in bringing on the next fight. Haven't been home today.

Galvasean · 24-04-2011 1:12am

Cyberwolf77 wrote:

However if Constantine is not the agressor in this scenario i see no way for him to emerge victorious.

I actually meant for Constantine to be the aggresor in this scenario. apologies for my poor wording.

cyberwolf77 · 24-04-2011 1:23am

Galvasean wrote: »

I actually meant for Constantine to be the aggresor in this scenario. apologies for my poor wording.

Ah, I see. Vote edited according to new information.

Solitaire · 24-04-2011 2:23am

I still don't see many traps being able to get the better of D's super-grade heightened senses and his Left Hand's analytical skills. They'd see it coming a mile off. We ARE talking about Drac's most successful lab experiment ever here

Galvasean · 25-04-2011 1:36pm

Latest fight is a little bit different...

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 1:51pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Latest fight is a little bit different...

Seems to be a handicap match.

FewFew · 25-04-2011 3:04pm

I like the way Solitaire describes things with mid-tier, baseline etc.

Also, can't believe D is gone!

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 3:05pm

I can believe D is gone. That was a damn big bomb.

FewFew · 25-04-2011 3:14pm

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

I can believe D is gone. That was a damn big bomb.

He never would have fallen for a trap though, not with Left Hand.

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 3:20pm

Who's to say Constantine would be unable to shield the bomb from Left Hand's ability to sense it.

FewFew · 25-04-2011 3:23pm

Don't think he has that skill level, or maybe he does. I'm not up on my Constantine.

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 3:32pm

Well he does have the blood of a demon flowing through his veins. That may give him a bit of a power boost.

FewFew · 25-04-2011 3:38pm

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

Well he does have the blood of a demon flowing through his veins. That may give him a bit of a power boost.

His blood is tainted, don't think it's the exact same thing. Plus it's more a case of D being super experienced in battling such things. He's a hunter himself and those he hunts often employ such traps.

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 3:40pm

True, but Johnny also brought friends to confuse D and allow him a chance to destroy his enemy

FewFew · 25-04-2011 3:45pm

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

True, but Johnny also brought friends to confuse D and allow him a chance to destroy his enemy

Yeah, why is it exactly that Constantine has vampires working for him? It's actually a bit of a clash of worlds really, the vampires in D's world are incredibly powerful and like lords and ladies, I'm guessing in the grittier world of Constantine they're more like your Buffy-esque vampires. If it's the latter then D would slice through them without a bother, if it's the former then there's no way so many of them would hang around in ambush for a half-breed. Plus all those vampires you have waiting would be like a signal flare for Left Hand, no way would he walk into that unawares.

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 3:48pm

Exactly, D comes in ready for a brutal fight against multiple opponents. he would hardly pause to consider the mere mortal who was blocking his path, nor would he consider the possibility of him masterminding the assault. Therefore he never bothers to check for mundane traps.

Kess73 · 25-04-2011 4:29pm

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

Exactly, D comes in ready for a brutal fight against multiple opponents. he would hardly pause to consider the mere mortal who was blocking his path, nor would he consider the possibility of him masterminding the assault. Therefore he never bothers to check for mundane traps.

D might not want to check, but LeftHand would think of checking and would be sure to make sure that D knows about it..

Kess73 · 25-04-2011 4:31pm

Fewcifur wrote: »

Yeah, why is it exactly that Constantine has vampires working for him? It's actually a bit of a clash of worlds really, the vampires in D's world are incredibly powerful and like lords and ladies, I'm guessing in the grittier world of Constantine they're more like your Buffy-esque vampires. If it's the latter then D would slice through them without a bother, if it's the former then there's no way so many of them would hang around in ambush for a half-breed. Plus all those vampires you have waiting would be like a signal flare for Left Hand, no way would he walk into that unawares.

Yeah Constantine having vampires working for him seems a bit odd given how things went down twice between Constantine and the King of the vampires.

Kess73 · 25-04-2011 4:36pm

cyberwolf77 wrote: »

Well he does have the blood of a demon flowing through his veins. That may give him a bit of a power boost.

His blood is cursed/tainted, and whilst it works as a defence against vampires, as was shown when the King of the vampires decided to munch on Constantine, there is one fatal flaw in anyone's theory of Constantines cursed blood having an effect on D.

Constantine's blood can impact upon vampires, but it does not affect Dhampirs.

D is not a vampire and is a Dhampir, and similar to Blade who is one in the Marvel universe, he has the strengths of the vamps without the obvious weaknesses.

FewFew · 25-04-2011 5:49pm

"Here I come to save the day" that's what mighty Kess would saaaaay

Kess73 · 25-04-2011 7:55pm

Fewcifur wrote: »

"Here I come to save the day" that's what mighty Kess would saaaaay

Son of a........:pac::pac:

I'm upset now and am going to have a good cry.

Galvasean · 25-04-2011 9:35pm

Random draws are so cruel, first Eliphas, now 'D'. Couple of super powered combatants dead already.
I would have 'seeded' the first round, bu oh my, the effort! :pac:

cyberwolf77 · 25-04-2011 11:49pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Random draws are so cruel, first Eliphas, now 'D'. Couple of super powered combatants dead already.
I would have 'seeded' the first round, bu oh my, the effort! :pac:

Thus the reason I never seeded tournaments

FewFew · 26-04-2011 1:17am

Kess73 wrote: »

Son of a........:pac::pac:

I'm upset now and am going to have a good cry.

Why cry, I was praising you as always good sir

cyberwolf77 · 27-04-2011 5:16am

Wait what did I do now?

That's not an illusion? Ah-HA! Then you're Captain Cyberwolf!! You're wanted for offing that artificial dhampir too! You bent the rules of our Tournament TOO far this time!", it growled. "You didn't just break Drac's favourite experiment, you screwed with the Night Itself!"

I never involved Blade in anything:

Now it was time to find out exactly what rank idiocy Wolfie had dragged him into this time.

Solitaire · 27-04-2011 3:13pm

It was a joke Wolf

Certain parties were not pleased with the ambush that nailed D and Yakon was sicced on the arrangers but it got the wrong address and got hungry and tried to eat Blade instead (canonically it has a habit of randomly eating people that get in its way)

FewFew · 27-04-2011 4:02pm

Makes sense alright, I know it's what I'd do.

Galvasean · 27-04-2011 4:57pm

Looks like Yakon is joining Eliphas and Black-cat in the HFIL.

Handsome Bob · 27-04-2011 10:31pm

The Transformers could even send their buddy Shia LeBeouf into battle for them against Jacob Black and they'd still win fcuking easily.

Galvasean · 27-04-2011 11:02pm

Every tourney needs a booby character

Solitaire · 27-04-2011 11:54pm

Wow! That was so bad I didn't even get to post Prowl's name and no explanation before 6-0 was achieved!

Damn Few made me laugh hard though

FewFew · 28-04-2011 12:31am

I was actually tempted to stage a comeback for Jacob, but I've never seen any of the movies or read the books, so I'm imagining a wolf trying to take on a gigantic robot... I mean, it's just... it's just not gonna work Jacob, I'm sorry.

Solitaire · 28-04-2011 1:09am

Maybe he could have induced Prowl to commit suicide with his psychic Emo Field? :pac:

FewFew · 28-04-2011 9:58am

Solitaire wrote: »

Maybe he could have induced Prowl to commit suicide with his psychic Emo Field? :pac:

That only works on Decepticons

FewFew · 28-04-2011 3:49pm

That middle Chucky looks like the Christopher Walken chucky!

Galvasean · 29-04-2011 12:46am

Well Fewcifur, I hope this satisfies your bloodlust!

cyberwolf77 · 29-04-2011 12:46am

Thjat match satisfies anyone's bloodlust

FewFew · 29-04-2011 1:03am

Galvasean wrote: »

Well Fewcifur, I hope this satisfies your bloodlust!

I'm loving the range of characters in this fight! Sharptooth! Who would have thunk it! Also, never heard of Pumpkin Head. Generally is he only killed when you take out the summoner?

cyberwolf77 · 29-04-2011 1:13am

Fewcifur wrote: »

I'm loving the range of characters in this fight! Sharptooth! Who would have thunk it! Also, never heard of Pumpkin Head. Generally is he only killed when you take out the summoner?

yes, unless the witch who is responsible for helping raise him is killed thus releasing him in which case he will die when he feels she has been avenged.

Galvasean · 29-04-2011 1:14am

Who is he after? Could the summoner be among the crowd?
just what the hell is going on?!!?!?

FewFew · 29-04-2011 1:32am

Galvasean wrote: »

Who is he after? Could the summoner be among the crowd?
just what the hell is going on?!!?!?

See I'd play it one of two ways, based on Pumpkin Heads ability to be killed... either VH has to find the summoner in the crowd, which is tough, or he has to kill the demon, which might be easier or impossible, depending on how readily this Pumpkin guy can die? As far as Sharptooth goes, it's pretty much a case of avoid avoid avoid until VH has time to setup a weapon to take it out. Doubt PH and ST will give each other too much hassle.

Solitaire · 29-04-2011 4:40pm

This battle would have been very different if it was Pumpkin Head vs some of the Teen Titans, or Sharptooth vs. them or Squirrel Girl...

Pumpkin is good at serially murdering realtypes and also gets bonuses against Pesky Kids; its Terror debuff seems much more effective against them, preventing them from fighting back effectively or coherently, reducing their perception and planning skills and even routing them outright from sheer fear :eek: Even Squirrel Girl's Last Second Save knack might not save her. In contrast, sortieing it against Sharpie and Helsing seems like a cruel mismatch

:P

Sharpie is the complete opposite; his specific weakness is Pesky Kids. He can happily slaughter most realtypes and even a lot of Supers/demons/Eldritch Abominations without breaking a sweat. Putting him up against Squirrel Girl in particular - a character who is the definition of Pesky Kid, and has the Forever Underestimated, Quick Thinker and The Bigger They Are... perks - could easily result in yet another crushing humiliation for the beastie that just ate Helsing and Pumpy as the starter course :pac:

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