What's the 'most Irish' Premier League club?

Het-Field · 19-04-2011 9:33pm

Pure_Cork wrote: »

Cork City FC did not die as a legal entity, Cork City Investments FC Ltd was wound up, and during that liquidation process Cork City FC was taken over by the supporters trust.

This has already been done to death, you've already had this debate with OhNoYouDidn't, what exactly has this got to do with "What's the 'most Irish' Premier League club?"?

So between the intervention of FORAS and the court appointed demise of CCIFC who was capable of owning the assets ? Can an entity survive without the buffering of a separate legal personality, and all that it entails ?

It is a legal discussion,as opposed the Trigger style existentialist discussion about the longevity of sweeping brushes.

I agree, it has gone woefully off topic.

OhNoYouDidn't · 19-04-2011 9:36pm

Het-Field wrote: »

So between the intervention of FORAS and the court appointed demise of CCIFC who was capable of owning the assets ? Can an entity survive without the buffering of a separate legal personality, and all that it entails ?

It is a legal discussion,as opposed the Trigger style existentialist discussion about the longevity of sweeping brushes.

I agree, it has gone woefully off topic.

You have been lazy with your terminology. You have been corrected. Move on.

Pure_Cork · 19-04-2011 9:37pm

Het-Field wrote: »

So between the intervention of FORAS and the court appointed demise of CCIFC who was capable of owning the assets ? Can an entity survive without the buffering of a separate legal personality, and all that it entails ?

It is a legal discussion,as opposed the Trigger style existentialist discussion about the longevity of sweeping brushes.

I agree, it has gone woefully off topic.

Simply, CCIFL continued to exist in the hands of the liquidator, FORAS took over Cork City FC from the liquidator/CCIFL.

Het-Field · 19-04-2011 9:38pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You have been lazy with your terminology. You have been corrected. Move on.

My terminology does not negate the fundamental point. Seeking to compare Rovers with Cork City is lazy, and are chalk and cheese from a legal perspective.

The liquidator is the to dissipate the assets. Once the liquidator has control the entity has no hope of recovery.

losthorizon · 19-04-2011 9:43pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Yes I can. The point was made that the LoI is the same standard as the SPL minus the big two.

Actually according to the UEFA co-efficients they are worse (and thats including Celtics results)! With Rangers included they are better.

Rangers achievement in reaching the the UEFA Cup final wears off in two years time and unless scottish clubs start improving they will soon around the same level as the LOI which has been making slow gains for the past ten years.

The_Kew_Tour · 19-04-2011 10:03pm

citytillidie wrote: »

John McKenna was one of the founders from Co Monaghan and was also the 1st Manager

Ah right sure that's the case you can add in at least 11 teams of the top my head that are Irish including Man United so.

K-9 · 19-04-2011 10:30pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I don't know what happens in Britain because I simply don't care.

But in both Cork and Derry's case (and Shels) there was such a fundamental legal change in the ownership structure, from limited companies to trusts, the underlying legal entity was dissolved, although in Corks case that decision was in effect taken for them

Remember I was involved in Rovers doing this.

There was no 'new incarnations' of the teams.

Jaysus, is there any team in the LoI that hasn't been or isn't in bother.

OhNoYouDidn't · 19-04-2011 11:19pm

K-9 wrote: »

Jaysus, is there any team in the LoI that hasn't been or isn't in bother.

Is there any team in the EPL that hasn't been or isn't in bother....

TangyZizzle · 19-04-2011 11:21pm

K-9 · 19-04-2011 11:36pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Is there any team in the EPL that hasn't been or isn't in bother....

Well it was a rhetorical question so it didn't need answering.

And yes.

Zebra3 · 20-04-2011 12:23am

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

But in both Cork and Derry's case (and Rovers, Shels and Limericks) there was a fundamental change in ownership structure, specifically changing the clubs to fans owned trusts from limited companies.

In both cases, the underlying companies had to go.

You haven't a clue what you're on about. :rolleyes:

Please let me know about the fans trusts that now own Shels and Limerick.

Cork went out of existence and a new club was set up. Same with Limerick and Derry. That is fact that has nothing to do with who I support.

You can check the FAI press release that was issued before the 2010 season and it had no history beside Cork FORAS and the new Derry club.

In new Derry's case, the FAI needed to ensure there was no objection from the IFA to UEFA over a new club from their juristriction joining the LoI so the FAI ordered the new club to pay off the debts of the old club that were owed to Dungannon and Linfield (but not to players or businesses owed money by the old club).

If it was still the same club, there would have been no need for those debts to have been paid as there would have been no approval from the IFA needed.

Pure_Cork · 20-04-2011 8:50am

Het-Field wrote: »

My terminology does not negate the fundamental point. Seeking to compare Rovers with Cork City is lazy, and are chalk and cheese from a legal perspective.

The liquidator is the to dissipate the assets. Once the liquidator has control the entity has no hope of recovery.

There were differences between the two situations, but they weren't hugely far apart. There was no hope for the holding company CCIFL, but Cork City FC was then taken over by the supporters trust.

Zebra3 · 20-04-2011 2:05pm

Delaney appeals for new Limerick club for 2007 season..

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/wanted-new-limerick-club-to-play-in-first-division-64809.html

LoI website on new Derry-Cork FORAS game at start of 201 season:
"It’s a new dawn at the Brandywell Stadium as the new Derry City take on the newly-established Cork City Foras Co-op in what should be a fascinating first match of the new season"

http://www.loi.ie/index.php/clubs/premier-division/derry-city/latest-news/1425-preview-derry-city-v-cork-city-foras-co-op

losthorizon · 21-04-2011 8:37pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

England are always on about their famous defeat to Hungary at Wembley as their first ever home defeat. Yet 5 years earlier in 1949, Ireland beat England 2-0 at Goodison Park. This is not considered a home defeat. Why? Because in 1949, the Ireland team was so dominated by Everton players, and the Everton support base was so dominated by Irish emigrants, the game was effectively considered a home game for Ireland.

There were only two Everton players in the team which equalled the amount of Shamrock Rovers players in the team. In fact Tommy O'Connor the Rovers winger set up the second goal.

Johnny Utah · 27-04-2011 1:09pm

So Everton then, yeah?

And they even have a young Irish lad, Seamus Coleman, playing in the first team!

KeithAFC · 27-04-2011 1:15pm

Arsenal would be.

LimeTime · 27-04-2011 1:17pm

Johnny Utah wrote: »

So Everton then, yeah?

And they even have a young Irish lad, Seamus Coleman, playing in the first team!

Ah yeah, that makes them Irish:rolleyes:

Johnny Utah · 27-04-2011 2:54pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Arsenal would be.

The Gunners are more French than English!

TheBigLebowski · 27-04-2011 2:59pm

So crap threads are allowed as long as they're about the premier league. I see.

flas · 27-04-2011 3:15pm

why is this thread still open but the other one the exact same as it got locked?

_blank_ · 27-04-2011 3:28pm

because the other thread was an obvious attempt at trolling, and while a bit misgiuded, this thread wasn't.

Zebra3 · 27-04-2011 3:40pm

Des wrote: »

because the other thread was an obvious attempt at trolling, and while a bit misgiuded, this thread wasn't.

Tough call imo.

Dub13 · 27-04-2011 4:17pm

I taught about closing this when it was started but I am not here to direct what people talk about,if this floats your boat who am I to say you cant talk about it even if its not my cup of tea.

OhNoYouDidn't · 27-04-2011 4:31pm

Des wrote: »

because the other thread was an obvious attempt at trolling, and while a bit misgiuded, this thread wasn't.

Are you sure about that? Did you check your crystal ball?

Its either a daft topic for the lock or it isn't. And in this case, shockingly, a daft EPL thread was allowed run where the Irish one was huckled in seconds.

OhNoYouDidn't · 27-04-2011 4:33pm

Dub13 wrote: »

I taught about closing this when it was started but I am not here to direct what people talk about,if this floats your boat who am I to say you cant talk about it even if its not my cup of tea.

Thought.

If that is the case I'm sure you will repoen the other thread....

Dub13 · 27-04-2011 4:35pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Thought.

If that is the case I'm sure you will repoen the other thread....

I did not lock it but it was an obvious attempt at trolling.

OhNoYouDidn't · 27-04-2011 5:38pm

Dub13 wrote: »

I did not lock it but it was an obvious attempt at trolling.

I agree. But this thread isn't?

Dub13 · 27-04-2011 5:44pm

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I agree. But this thread isn't?

There are some people who like to talk about crap like this,as I said its not my cup of tea but we are not hear to direct the conversation.

super_furry · 27-04-2011 8:08pm

Gotta be Millwall. Sure we still have them to thank for Mick McCarthy bringing us the World Cup, after he learned his trade there.

flas · 27-04-2011 11:16pm

Des wrote: »

because the other thread was an obvious attempt at trolling, and while a bit misgiuded, this thread wasn't.

to be honest they are both very obvious attempts at trolling, well thats the way it seems to me, just my opinion though!

The_Kew_Tour · 27-04-2011 11:29pm

Yeovil Town.... what them wearing green and all that

edolan · 27-04-2011 11:46pm

The most Irish premier league clubs I can think of are

Sligo rovers
Shamrock rovers
Bohemians
UCD
Derry city
Dundalk
Drogheda
Bray wanderers
Galway united
St Pats

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:08am

Joke's been done, mate.

CSF · 28-04-2011 1:09am

edolan wrote: »

The most Irish premier league clubs I can think of are

Sligo rovers
Shamrock rovers
Bohemians
UCD
Derry city
Dundalk
Drogheda
Bray wanderers
Galway united
St Pats

Derry?

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:10am

CSF wrote: »

Derry?

If they weren't Irish they'd be called LondonDerry

edolan · 28-04-2011 1:12am

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Joke's been done, mate.

This thread is a joke.

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:13am

edolan wrote: »

This thread is a joke.

You shouldn't state the obvious. It makes you look stupid

CSF · 28-04-2011 1:13am

TangyZizzle wrote: »

If they weren't Irish they'd be called LondonDerry

Manchester isn't called LondonManchester, Derry can f*ck off back to the UK and take Limerick with them.

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:14am

CSF wrote: »

Manchester isn't called LondonManchester, Derry can f*ck off back to the UK and take Limerick with them.

Lol. Angry Shels fan is angry!

edolan · 28-04-2011 1:16am

TangyZizzle wrote: »

You shouldn't state the obvious. It makes you look stupid

Go on ya header.

CSF · 28-04-2011 1:17am

TangyZizzle wrote: »

Lol. Angry Shels fan is angry!

Have you not seen our last 2 results? I'm aggressively happy:D

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:18am

CSF wrote: »

Have you not seen our last 2 results? I'm aggressively happy:D

I was there for the Bohs match on Monday, mate

CSF · 28-04-2011 1:21am

TangyZizzle wrote: »

I was there for the Bohs match on Monday, mate

Oh yeah, you're one of those now:)

TangyZizzle · 28-04-2011 1:23am

CSF wrote: »

Oh yeah, you're one of those now:)

Not the first time I'v been mistaken for a Bohs fan, yuck :P

losthorizon · 21-02-2017 5:01pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

England are always on about their famous defeat to Hungary at Wembley as their first ever home defeat. Yet 5 years earlier in 1949, Ireland beat England 2-0 at Goodison Park. This is not considered a home defeat. Why? Because in 1949, the Ireland team was so dominated by Everton players, and the Everton support base was so dominated by Irish emigrants, the game was effectively considered a home game for Ireland. Again in 1995 when Ireland played the Euro '96 qualifying playoff at Anfield, Ireland effectively had that as a home game with huge support from both sides of the Merseyside divide. But that was against Holland.

It wouldn't happen in any EPL ground today that Ireland would effectively have a home game against England from the host clubs local support, but Everton is the only place it has happened, or could have happened.

Very few Everton players on the team. In fact the team had two Shamrock Rovers palyers on the team. At the time the English acknowledged the defeat as a foreign loss. Seems to have been forgotten about since as Hungary thumbed later on. Not surprising as Hungary were an amazing team at the time. A bit like Brazil or Barcelona.

What's the 'most Irish' Premier League club?

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