Clonmel Thread

zurbfoundation

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It should be permit or paid parking. And on one side of the street only.

These are residential avenues - why should they be paid or require a permit - i see the residential only parking signs have been erected on davis road now. Wonder will the SG staff ignore these also

zurbfoundation

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Isn't the car park by the greyhound track free?

Free as in cost of parking or free as in available?

Yes to both.

Jakey Rolling

dieselbug wrote: »

"poor cyclists" :rolleyes:

Very indicative of a them and us attitude.

Poor "people who happen to travel by bike sometimes". Might even cycle to work and help reduce the congestion from single occupant vehicles at peak times. Probably also own a car and contribute motor tax, VRT, fuel duty to the economy. Poor cyclist might be a child out for a healthy, hopefully safe spin with their parents. Where else they gonna go when some motorists would literally run them off the road?

klose

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Funnily enough, I was in the Showgrounds this morning (laughing at the eejits doing laps of the carpark waiting for a free space) and commented on how it was odd that the car park was full, but there were very few customers inside. Must have been staff parking there while the works are going on. Isn't the car park by the greyhound track free?

I thought the same myself the other week when I was there, i imagine a good few people park the car there and head into the town centre as the tesco car park is often full on busier days.

zurbfoundation

zurbfoundation wrote: »

These are residential avenues - why should they be paid or require a permit - i see the residential only parking signs have been erected on davis road now. Wonder will the SG staff ignore these also

Paid for by non residents. Residents to have permits, as is usual in other areas.

zurbfoundation

Deleted User wrote: »

Paid for by non residents. Residents to have permits, as is usual in other areas.

What are non-residents paying for?

Have the residents of Elm Park, Cherrymount, Airhill all got permits?

And on your original idea of parking on one side of these roads, which lucky pensioner gets to park outside their home and which will be forbidden to leave their car where they have parked it for the last 40 years or so and have to cross the street and park outside their neighbors house? Left or Right - you choose.

dieselbug

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

"Very indicative of a them and us attitude"


Poor "people who happen to travel by bike sometimes". Might even cycle to work and help reduce the congestion from single occupant vehicles at peak times. Probably also own a car and contribute motor tax, VRT, fuel duty to the economy. Poor cyclist might be a child out for a healthy, hopefully safe spin with their parents.

Where else they gonna go when some motorists would literally run them off the road?

"Very indicative of a them and us attitude"

Certainly not, but why just pick out "poor cyclists" as if they are some persecuted group. Why not poor walkers or poor dog walkers or even poor horse riders.
Cyclists are no different to any of the others. You have the good the bad and the ugly in all groups. If everybody treated each other with a bit of respect and basic good manners and took a responsible attitude then I'm sure this amenity could be be enjoyed by all.

"Where else they gonna go when some motorists would literally run them off the road?"[/QUOTE]

Agreed,"some motorists" but not all and the same can be said of some cyclists who show very little consideration for other users.

zurbfoundation

zurbfoundation wrote: »

What are non-residents paying for?

Have the residents of Elm Park, Cherrymount, Airhill all got permits?

And on your original idea of parking on one side of these roads, which lucky pensioner gets to park outside their home and which will be forbidden to leave their car where they have parked it for the last 40 years or so and have to cross the street and park outside their neighbors house? Left or Right - you choose.

My vision would be for residents to have permits to park. I can see the difficulties of having parking on one side only, it was just a thought. Non residents would have to pay (a hefty fee) to park on that stretch. In other words, make it too dear for them to park in a residential area.

Jakey Rolling

dieselbug wrote: »

Agreed,"some motorists" but not all and the same can be said of some cyclists who show very little consideration for other users.

Yup, idiots on bikes, idiots in cars.

Actually had words with a middle-aged club cyclist last week who went through a red light at Lyon's chipper as I was driving through the junction. Told him he is giving all cyclists a bad name. And him with the GoPro on his helmet, bet he won't be posting that one up on YouTube!

Apols if I read too much into your comment. I like to treat people as people whatever the mode of transport.

marvin80

dieselbug wrote: »

"Very indicative of a them and us attitude"

Certainly not, but why just pick out "poor cyclists" as if they are some persecuted group. Why not poor walkers or poor dog walkers or even poor horse riders.
Cyclists are no different to any of the others. You have the good the bad and the ugly in all groups. If everybody treated each other with a bit of respect and basic good manners and took a responsible attitude then I'm sure this amenity could be be enjoyed by all.

Agreed,"some motorists" but not all and the same can be said of some cyclists who show very little consideration for other users.

I made the reference to 'poor cyclists' (tongue-in-cheek) after comments here:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105779299&postcount=6206

I'm a cyclist and motorist - a small minority from both codes give the rest a bad name unfortunately. I think cyclists more so because if they break a red light, it's seen by a lot more people.

But anyway - I'm going to give the Blueway a spin at the weekend - hopefully the weather holds up.

by8auj6csd3ioq

These are residential avenues - why should they be paid or require a permit - i see the residential only parking signs have been erected on davis road now. Wonder will the SG staff ignore these also

they are also public roads aren't they? This is the one that joins King Street to The Showgrounds is it? Who put up the signs of residential parking, the residents or the council?

It wasnt me123

Anyone having problems with water in Clonmel this afternoon? No water in Old Waterford Road.

zurbfoundation

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

they are also public roads aren't they? This is the one that joins King Street to The Showgrounds is it? Who put up the signs of residential parking, the residents or the council?

Many roads have them now - powerstown road, davis road included, shamrock hill, james st - also places like Ann st - coucil errected these signs as they designated the area as parking for residents only - residents cant just go lashing signs up as they please.

clfy39tzve8njq

zurbfoundation wrote:

Many roads have them now - powerstown road, davis road included, shamrock hill, james st - also places like Ann st - coucil errected these signs as they designated the area as parking for residents only - residents cant just go lashing signs up as they please.

All roads in all estates are public roads can you imagine the outcry if someone drove into an estate on the outskirts of town and parked outside someones door.
But somehow the same people think nothing of parking outside someones door just because it's near a shop etc.

by8auj6csd3ioq

residents cant just go lashing signs up as they please.

Someone lashed one up on Davis Road with no parking and an arrow pointing to both sides. Unless someone is blocking a driveway or making it unduly difficult to get out of one they are free to park there

All roads in all estates are public roads can you imagine the outcry if someone drove into an estate on the outskirts of town and parked outside someones door.

There is no right to the space outside your door unless there is a driveway there which is being blocked

zurbfoundation

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

Someone lashed one up on Davis Road with no parking and an arrow pointing to both sides.

Any public signage needs planning permission - without it the person responsible for errecting it has a period of time to remove it - if that person is not identifiable then the council removes it straight away. If the sign you are refering to is still there then maybe this (i think 3 weeks) notice period of removal is current- in which case the council must know who erected it and have engaged with them - you would want to be pretty good with concrete and metal work to go errecting your own parking signs however/ it seems like specialist work to me _ i would worry about it falling down and causing injury or damage

zurbfoundation

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

Unless someone is blocking a driveway or making it unduly difficult to get out of one they are free to park there

There is no right to the space outside your door unless there is a driveway there which is being blocked

Do you park in loading bays or disabled spaces without being a commercial vehicle driver or a disabled driver respectively? The council designate areas for residents only to park in the same way as they designate loading bays or disabled parking spaces.

clfy39tzve8njq

Alina High Teacup wrote:

There is no right to the space outside your door unless there is a driveway there which is being blocked

Where did I say there is. The point I'm making is that the same people who park in a residential area because it's handy for a shop, are the very people that would blow a fuse if somebody parked in front of their houses in estates further out of town.

clfy39tzve8njq

zurbfoundation wrote:

Do you park in loading bays or disabled spaces without being a commercial vehicle driver or a disabled driver respectively?

I'd never park in a disabled space but must admit to a few sneaky ones in loading bays :-)
I get your point though it's not whether it's legal or not it's manners not to park in residential area. There's plenty other options.

by8auj6csd3ioq

"I get your point though it's not whether it's legal or not it's manners not to park in residential area." That is just opinion. No whoever asked i never parked in disabled or loading bay, maybe loading bay on Sunday never disabled. And never in residential with official signs which are backed by law. In davis road the sign is inside someone fence and has arrows at both sides as if it applies to more area than outside the gate. Not an official sign so i would not take any notice.

I am distinguising between residential with council signs and people who think they own the public road

zurbfoundation

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

"I get your point though it's not whether it's legal or not it's manners not to park in residential area." That is just opinion. No whoever asked i never parked in disabled or loading bay, maybe loading bay on Sunday never disabled. And never in residential with official signs which are backed by law. In davis road the sign is inside someone fence and has arrows at both sides as if it applies to more area than outside the gate. Not an official sign so i would not take any notice.

I am distinguising between residential with council signs and people who think they own the public road

The areas i have referenced as being residents only parking are just that - signed by the council as such and can be enforced if they choose - if you are refering to someone sticking a bollard out in front their gate or a hand painted piece of plywood in the garden, well not as legal binding i would guess

clfy39tzve8njq

Alina High Teacup wrote:

That is just opinion.

Of course it's an opinion I never claimed otherwise. Just because something is law doesn't make it right just makes it legal

Alina High Teacup wrote:

I am distinguising between residential with council signs and people who think they own the public road

And I'm distinguishing between what's legal and what I consider good manners

by8auj6csd3ioq

And i gave my opinion as to how i would not bow to people who think they own the public road

by8auj6csd3ioq

"The areas i have referenced as being residents only parking are just that - signed by the council as such and can be enforced if they choose"- Do non residents park there and do the council take action?

clfy39tzve8njq

Alina High Teacup wrote:

And i gave my opinion as to how i would not bow to people who think they own the public road

You're talking legal, I'm talking what I consider right. I don't get caught up too much in legality and when I look around and see who's making the laws I'm glad I don't

by8auj6csd3ioq

it is the law who says where people can park and the law that governs the resident only sign.

Is it all showgounds staff. A woman told me once he daughter worked in M&S and she parked in the showgrounds and had to move her car threes times a day to different parts of the park. Ground then up and then back down i think she said. Are the showground staff not allowed to park in showgrounds at all now?

clfy39tzve8njq

Alina High Teacup wrote:

it is the law who says where people can park and the law that governs the resident only sign.

Like I said I'm not a slave to the law I prefer to go by what feels right when it comes to parking outside people's houses.

Alina High Teacup

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

it is the law who says where people can park and the law that governs the resident only sign.

Is it all showgounds staff. A woman told me once he daughter worked in M&S and she parked in the showgrounds and had to move her car threes times a day to different parts of the park. Ground then up and then back down i think she said. Are the showground staff not allowed to park in showgrounds at all now?

I remember hearing somewhere that in the run up to Christmas that staff were requested to park elsewhere.

zurbfoundation

Alina High Teacup wrote: »

Do non residents park there and do the council take action?

Yes and yes they can do

I would think for shamrock hill it was teachers of the primary school parking there at some point and for Ann st probably people working in irishtown / in both cases they dont park there anymore/ mainly down to local residents pulling people up on it rather that the council doing much more than erecting a sign.

In the case of showgrounds staff i am not sure of the policy of parking in their own carpark but they dont seem to- or the free car park next door. Plenty of m and s uniforms to be seen floating down powerstown road

clfy39tzve8njq

Deleted User wrote:

I remember hearing somewhere that in the run up to Christmas that staff were requested to park elsewhere.

It should be built into planning permission that there's ample parking for staff in these centres