Athiests that hope their wrong

kylith

liamw wrote: »

Why do we assume that a deity would particularly care about humans, an evolved species at an arbitrary moment 13.7billion years post Big-Bang?

Everyone talks about afterlifes, do bacteria get to have an afterlife too? Do oak trees?

Computers do: Silicon Heaven. Where else would all the calculators go?

Dave! wrote: »

Yeah oak trees do

Yep. They come back as a nice table and chairs, and maybe some flooring.

Irish Fire

Improbable wrote: »

I'd rather have the salesman who managed to convince the first blind man to buy sunglasses.

Aint that the truth.....

Irish Fire

As I said earlier I don't believe but anyway is this god person (what ever it be) not all forgiving?? If so why does it matter that I or others didn't get down on my knees to pray?

Also the birds and bees etc.... don't have churches etc..... so what happens to them?

galwegians

dlofnep wrote: »

It isn't a matter of hoping, because it's a clear cut issue for me. God does not exist, and there is no evidence to suggest that he/she does.

I would gladly love to live eternally in paradise. So in that respect, I'd be happy to be wrong. However, I'm 99.9% sure that I'm right.

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

so see ya in paradise, later.

Coriolanus

I'd be one of those who hopes they're wrong. I don't hope I'm wrong about the Christian God though.

I read a book years ago that followed a small jati through centuries of death and reincarnation.

If I could "choose" to have an afterlife, that'd be a fairly large draw.

Pity it's all bullshlt! :pac:

Irish Fire

galwegians wrote: »

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

so see ya in paradise, later.

How are you 100% sure?

Three years of brain washing would convince anyone.......

oldrnwisr

galwegians wrote: »

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

Gee, a gnostic theist, there's a first.:rolleyes:

Ok, prove it.

Irish Fire

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Gee, a gnostic theist, there's a first.:rolleyes:

Ok, prove it.

Can't wait for that.............. :D

Robert ninja

Don't be hatin' yo - dude spent 3 years reading the same book. I feel sorry for him.

We won't be seeing ya in paradise, galwegians - I thought you'd know that by now after studying that book for so long you're sure to know you'd only get to see us (and 90% of the world) in hell.

Kiva.D

I don't pretend to know much of religion or non-religion. Though I tend to sway to the non-believer side... But with all the people suffering through heartache, torture and tragedy in this world, let's hope there's something better afterward.

eoin5

galwegians wrote: »

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

so see ya in paradise, later.

Someone read and tried to explain it to me every week for about 18 years...

You almost had me though

Irish Fire

oldrnwisr wrote: »

Gee, a gnostic theist, there's a first.:rolleyes:

Ok, prove it.

eoin5 wrote: »

Someone read and tried to explain it to me every week for about 18 years...

You almost had me though

Here's your brother........... :)

axer

I hope I get my 12 virgins!

Zillah

Irish Fire wrote: »

As I said earlier I don't believe but anyway is this god person (what ever it be) not all forgiving?? If so why does it matter that I or others didn't get down on my knees to pray?

Well, you see, you have to believe in God and obey him and beg for forgiveness before you see any evidence that he existed, if you wait until you actually meet him and realise you weren't being lied to then you have to suffer for eternity....for some reason.

ShooterSF

smokingman wrote: »

I do this to ammuse myself after soaking in all the lies as a kid and turning it around in my head. I sometimes "come out" as god at a party or two and no-one can disprove what I'm spouting on about for the same reasons deists repeat ad nausium. I would highly recommend this to anyone here who has tried to debate with deists and met brick walls - it is wildly amusing to argue from the other side of the fence with the caveat that you, yourself are the deity in question.

Sorry but if somehow I end up in a debate on religion at a party, plan A is to push an agree to disagree approach and if that doesn't work plan B is to go for the jugular and usually "offend" them so they stop engaging me. If I'm at a party the last thing I want is to discuss religion.. yawn.

himnextdoor

It would seem that not many people hope to be wrong.

MCPlant

I don't hope I'm wrong - that's an express service to eternal damnation.
Naturally, I hope that if I'm wrong (and access to an afterlife is granted based on guidelines set out by an embittered 8,000 year old) the guy in charge or on door duties can appreciate the fact I'm a product of my upbringing and that in a world where increasing emphasis is put on verifying your claims it's HIS responsibility to stay relevant and be verifiable.

If at a later date I were to decide that heaven wasn't for me I'd make a sport of breaking as many of the cardinal sins as possible in a single combo.

mikhail

MCPlant wrote: »

If at a later date I were to decide that heaven wasn't for me I'd make a sport of breaking as many of the cardinal sins as possible in a single combo.

I'm proud [1] to announce that I'm doing that right now by imaging the nude forms [2] of three [3] women I couldn't be bothered actually chasing [4] as they all have gob****e boyfriends [5] who piss me off [6]. Mmm, pie [7].

[1] Pride
[2] Lust
[3] Greed
[4] Sloth
[5] Envy
[6] Wrath
[7] Gluttony

EDIT: Remarkable how all of the worst things you can do involve normal human desires, and none involve raping innocent children.

Undergod

Cardinal sin is different to the seven deadly sins... which themselves aren't considered actual sins usually.

Sorry, sorry! Know your enemy, and all that?

legspin

axer wrote: »

I hope I get my 12 virgins!

Nah. 3 sluts with imaginations as sick as my own please.

himnextdoor

Undergod wrote: »

Cardinal sin is different to the seven deadly sins... which themselves aren't considered actual sins usually.

Sorry, sorry! Know your enemy, and all that?

If only Cardinal sins were considered as actual sins by Cardinals.

dead one

himnextdoor wrote: »

It would seem that not many people hope to be wrong.

This is because people prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

nobody3

axer wrote: »

I hope I get my 12 virgins!

Of course you do, but they're gay

liamw

dead one wrote: »

This is because people prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

...coming from the YEC

dead one

liamw wrote: »

...coming from the YEC

........ coming from accidents.

dead one

dead one wrote: »

........ coming from accidents.

Now dead one, I'm sure his parents love him very much!

dead one

Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire, you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.

bluewolf wrote: »

Now dead one, I'm sure his parents love him very much!

His parents didn't create life on earth, that life came from accidents (as per your faith). So every body coming from accidents:eek:

dead one

dead one wrote: »

Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire, you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will.

His parents didn't create life on earth, that life came from accidents (as per your faith). So every body coming from accidents:eek:

What faith dead one? I think I have corrected you several times but you are so keen to run off ranting you keep getting it wrong

b318isp

dead one wrote: »

This is because people prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

Your dead right if you mean "many people", and includes religious beliefs.

dead one

b318isp wrote: »

Your dead right if you mean "many people", and includes religious beliefs.

Here I see confirmation bias in your comment, Check you are preferring your information over religious beliefs!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon wherein decision makers have been shown to actively seek out and assign more weight to evidence that confirms their hypothesis, and ignore or underweigh evidence that could disconfirm their hypothesis.

:pac:

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

What faith dead one? I think I have corrected you several times but you are so keen to run off ranting you keep getting it wrong

You don't have faith in faith that is your faith!!!, Simply;).

dead one

dead one wrote: »

You don't have faith in faith that is your faith!!!, Simply;).

What are you basing that on, dead one?

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

What are you basing that on, dead one?

Science, evolution, accidents

dead one

dead one wrote: »

Science, evolution, accidents

That has nothing to do with my faith or lack thereof, and does not answer my question.
You really don't know what I believe or don't believe despite our previous interactions, do you? Just spouting more rhetoric as usual?

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

That has nothing to do with my faith or lack thereof, and does not answer my question.
You really don't know what I believe or don't believe despite our previous interactions, do you? Just spouting more rhetoric as usual?

Good to see Cognitive dissonance in your comment . Why you don't do the right!!!

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling:eek: caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance. They do this by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and actions. Dissonance is also reduced by justifying, blaming, and denying. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

:cool:
You said, i ran off now you ran off

dead one

dead one wrote: »

Good to see Cognitive dissonance in your comment . Why you don't do the right!!!

In English, please?

:cool:
You said, i ran off now you ran off

No, I'm right here still waiting for an answer.

Though judging by your rambling, I'm not going to get one.

CerebralCortex

dead one wrote: »

Good to see Cognitive dissonance in your comment . Why you don't do the right!!!


:cool:
You said, i ran off now you ran off

Okay who taught dead one to use the internet? :eek:

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

In English, please?

qui n'est pas français

bluewolf wrote: »

No, I'm right here still waiting for an answer.

Even if i give you 10000 answers, You will say the same thing

No, I'm right here still waiting for an answer.

Why answer is

Denial is a defense mechanism , in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

dead one

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Okay who taught dead one to use the internet? :eek:

It's creation, not evolution or accidents

“Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training.”:eek:

seamus

Gonna sum it up here.

dead_one's contention is that using science to explain the universe is type of faith. Faith that science is correct. This is the "cognitive dissonance" he refers to.

What he fails to consider is that science is simply an explanation which works. It's in no way linked to athiesm, and unlike any religious or spiritual explanations, it is not one based on faith, but on experimentation.

People who use science to explain the universe do not have "faith" that it is correct. It is assumed to be correct (or possibly correct), until it is it shown to be false or shown to be unlikely. This differs from "faith" because faith in something believes that it is correct, regardless of proof of falsehood (or truth). Faith is the belief that something is true, regardless of any proof.

Science is method for establishing truth. It does not declare any absolute truths and it does not rely on faith to establish truths.

Of course, what he fails to see is the irony of accusing everyone else of cognitive dissonance and denial as a way of expressing his own cognitive dissonance and denial.

CerebralCortex

dead one wrote: »

It's creation, not evolution or accidents

“Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training.”:eek:

Wha?

dead one

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Wha?

can't you understand? Creation taught me how to use internet!!!!

kylith

himnextdoor wrote: »

It would seem that not many people hope to be wrong.

When all the evidence is on your side, you don't worry too much about being wrong.

Incidentally, has anyone gone over to one of the religious fora and asked if any of them wish they were wrong?

Kadongy

An atheist who hoped they were wrong would be more properly described as agnostic than as atheist.

mikhail

Undergod wrote: »

Cardinal sin is different to the seven deadly sins... which themselves aren't considered actual sins usually.

Sorry, sorry! Know your enemy, and all that?

No need to be sorry - I like to know when I'm wrong. However, a little googling seems to support my understanding. Maybe you're thinking of Mortal Sin? The Seven Deadly Sins are quite commonly known as the cardinal sins.

CerebralCortex

Kadongy wrote: »

An atheist who hoped they were wrong would be more properly described as agnostic than as atheist.

No. I suggest doing a search through the forum for why that isn't the case.

Undergod

mikhail wrote: »

No need to be sorry - I like to know when I'm wrong. However, a little googling seems to support my understanding. Maybe you're thinking of Mortal Sin? The Seven Deadly Sins are quite commonly known as the cardinal sins.

Yup, that is actually exactly what I was thinking. Woops, my bad.

himnextdoor

galwegians wrote: »

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

so see ya in paradise, later.

Three years of Bible study and you know? Brilliant. Why bother with any education at all when indoctrination satisfies your intellectual needs so completely.

I would suggest that you 'knew' even before you enrolled and Bible study somehow 'verified' what you knew.

People who place the interests of an unknowable entity before the interests of their children will not find a place in paradise. Hard-sell salesmen do not go to heaven.

And if they do then God can stick paradise where the sun don't shine.

himnextdoor

dead one wrote: »

This is because people prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.

I think it runs much deeper than that. If I am wrong then only I am wrong whereas for most people, if they are wrong then their parents are wrong, their teachers are wrong, their priests are wrong... etc.

For most people there is no hypothesising, they simply inherit their preconceptions from their parents, society, priests. They 'hope' that they haven't been hood-winked into sacrificing their own interests to an unknowable entity.

It is not 'us' we hope to be right because none of the hypotheses are 'ours'; they were passed down to 'us' and 'we' took it on faith that they were right and 'we' spent 'our' lives accordingly. You need them to be right in order to justify your own life-decisions; if they're wrong then so are you.

In other words, religionists do not hope to be wrong for a different reason than the reason that non-religionists do not hope to be wrong. The difference being that non-religionists don't mind being proved wrong; they feel that their world view benefits from knowing that they were wrong and have nothing to lose by acknowledging that they were wrong.

For religionists, on the other hand, acknowledgement that they are wrong would be a waste of four-thousand years of culture and tradition and millions of unnecessary deaths.

dead one

galwegians wrote:

after completing three yrs of bible study. I am 100 per cent sure that you are wrong.

so see ya in paradise, later.

You are 100% right and others are 100% wrong. For others you are 100% wrong and they are 100% right. This is because Most people judge of the truth of a proposition by the consequences upon some preconceived opinion. Certain things they take as truths, and with this little standard in their minds, they measure all other theories. Why you don't use your own brain to judge yourself or Bible