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Augmerson

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

Atleast it aspires to something. The flag of the North hasn't a great track record on unity.

Madam

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

How can you possibly know that for certain, Reme;)ber the old song 'My father was orange and my mother was green'?

DColeman

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

Some say it's being hijacked by Repuublicans and Eirigi. Look at that women who had her flag banned.

steddyeddy

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

Thats complete BS the tricolour has never needed to unite people. Look at the north if you want to see a place that needs uniting. Learn to seperate the norths problems and the souths they are very very different.

later12

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

Then why is the tricolour not a sort of greeny-orange instead of having that big space between us.


I actually thought the version with the harp in the white centre made more sense, in that respect, in that the state would be neutral in the religious struggle.

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You don't find many nationalist followers of King Billy.

Didnt see this just to finish. William of orange took the name from the province of orange, his followers included catholics and protestents, the orange tradition excluded some of king billy's followers ie catholics thus giving the orange another meaning. I dont like the idea that the orange was hijacked to represent sectarianism and bigotry as well but hey its not my tradition. The KKK sought advice from the orange order apoun setting up thus tarnishing the colour with meaning and alliances far away from king billys colours.

So the orange has went from representing catholic and protestent followers of king billy to a group who discriminated against catholics and people who were friends with catholics and then the KKK sought advice from the tradition. A far cry from the principility of orange eh? Now saying that I respect peoples right to follow whatever tradition they want its not my tradition. However when people from this tradition dont realise that their use of the colour has differed radically from those who claimed it originally and have a problem with a country using the colour to represent unity and peace between protestent and catholic as opposed to sectarianisn well frankly they can look deep into my eyes and realise I dont give a f*&^.

Son Of A Vidic

LordSutch wrote: »

That's the funny thing about the Tricolour, it aspires to Unite the Green & Orange, but it never has . . .

Ah but there's your mistake, you forgot about the white part of the flag. The white symbolises peace/tolerance/unity. Did you ever think you would see the Queen bow her head in solemn respect for Irish rebels, who fought against the British Crown?

Now when you consider the historical events that took place last week, the co-operation and teamwork that happens everyday in the North. As mutual respect and trust strengthens the bonds between both communities, reunification will occur, not if, but when. No one can say how long this may take, but there's no hurry anyway. So I'm sorry to say to you, times are changing and thankfully people like you with you're negative defeatist attitude will ultimately fail.

Iwasfrozen

steddyeddy wrote: »

Didnt see this just to finish. William of orange took the name from the province of orange, his followers included catholics and protestents, the orange tradition excluded some of king billy's followers ie catholics thus giving the orange another meaning. I dont like the idea that the orange was hijacked to represent sectarianism and bigotry as well but hey its not my tradition. The KKK sought advice from the orange order apoun setting up thus tarnishing the colour with meaning and alliances far away from king billys colours.

So the orange has went from representing catholic and protestent followers of king billy to a group who discriminated against catholics and people who were friends with catholics and then the KKK sought advice from the tradition. A far cry from the principility of orange eh? Now saying that I respect peoples right to follow whatever tradition they want its not my tradition. However when people from this tradition dont realise that their use of the colour has differed radically from those who claimed it originally and have a problem with a country using the colour to represent unity and peace between protestent and catholic as opposed to sectarianisn well frankly they can look deep into my eyes and realise I dont give a f*&^.

I never mentioned catholics I said nationalist but anyway yes, catholic followers of king Billy but they were a minority and fought more then likely for their own reasons. Unionists do not (despite what some nationalists would tell you) celebrate the battle of the Boyne for triumphalist reasons. They celebrate it because it ment the survival of their culture despite nearly over-whelming odds against them (at the start of the war anyway). King James II was a horrible man, not only was he an English king interested in Ireland purely to use a stepping stone to take back his crown in England he was also a strong believer in the divine right of kings and an advocate that salvation could only be found in the catholic church. Not only that but he was also a puppet of Lious XIV of France. The Ulster Scots in being the only ones to stand against James in large numbers did us all a favour.

Now my problem with the flag is that it represents a people who do not want to be represented bu it. We've already given up our territorial claim to the North. It's high time we changed out flag to reflect that. Something like the gold harp on green field Leinster flag would be nice.

Liam Byrne

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It's high time we changed out flag to reflect that. Something like the gold harp on green field Leinster flag would be nice.

Probably a topic for another thread, but there's no logic in having a Leinster flag to represent all 4 provinces (or, PC-speaking, the 3 + our part of Ulster).

Iwasfrozen

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Probably a topic for another thread, but there's no logic in having a Leinster flag to represent all 4 provinces (or, PC-speaking, the 3 + our part of Ulster).

It doesn't have to be an exact copy of the Leinster flag. Maybe something like the "Erin go bragh" flag with the words taken out.

Deedsie

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Probably a topic for another thread, but there's no logic in having a Leinster flag to represent all 4 provinces (or, PC-speaking, the 3 + our part of Ulster).

The flag doesn't represent a land mass though in my opinion! It represents the Irish people wherever they are! Plenty in the North regard themselves as Irish.

sensibleken

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

It doesn't have to be an exact copy of the Leinster flag. Maybe something like the "Erin go bragh" flag with the words taken out.

Im sticking with my original suggestion of the Daghda playing electric guitar on a volcano

Iwasfrozen

sensibleken wrote: »

Im sticking with my original suggestion of the Daghda playing electric guitar on a volcano

That would be so cool! But how about instead of an electric guitar we have him playing a harp. And instead of a volcano he's standing on top of Carrantuohill. To you know, represent the Irish and all.

sensibleken

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

That would be so cool! But how about instead of an electric guitar we have him playing a harp. And instead of a volcano he's standing on top of Carrantuohill. To you know, represent the Irish and all.

I disaprove of this suggestion. Therefore I propose a civil war and 100 years of mutual animosity to decide the matter

Iwasfrozen

sensibleken wrote: »

I disaprove of this suggestion. Therefore I propose a civil war and 100 years of mutual animosity to decide the matter

Ok but I get Dublin..., and Monaghan.

sensibleken

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Ok but I get Dublin..., and Monaghan.

Phew!..ugh i mean...damn!

purplepanda

KeithAFC wrote: »

Thats because it is. Different culture.

Is this the opinion of people from both traditions in Northern Ireland?

sensibleken

purplepanda wrote: »

Is this the opinion of people from both traditions in Northern Ireland?

People from both traditions express various opinions that deviate on a sliding scale from the mean. Therefore bombs.