Bullets, bomb scares, death threats, attacked in the streets and now

Eirebear

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I am pretty sure most of the British football articles that appear in the IT are taken from the Guardian. I believe the Irish Independent take theirs from the Telegraph.

Yeah i get that impression from their website - still the same thing though, sadly it's not just the scottish media who are guilty of **** stirring.

Re: Jelle's post, i get what your saying - but he wasnt having a dig at anything Irish or Celtic related there. It seems people are all too willing to jump on him at the moment even if he is simply trying to explain his standpoint. The absence of Brewster must be getting to sompe people!

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

There's always an opportunity.
For every shop owner refusing Irish there will be one who will be happy to accept any employee/customer.

Was there? Which historical record says this?

PauloMN

Eirebear wrote: »

Why? I dont particularly see anything wrong with what he has said in that post.

No offence, but to hear a fan of The Rangers FC coming out with "Integration comes from two sides though, right ?" just made me laugh a little.

I'm not going to get into a debate over whether The Rangers FC are or were a sectarian club or not. I have my opinion on that as I'm sure you have yours. What I do know, and what I reckon most decent fans of The Rangers FC know if they are honest about it, is that their fanbase has a much larger problem element of hardcore loyalist support than Celtic would have equivalent hardcore republican elements. The Rangers FC haven't been able to shake off that element as successfully as Celtic have imo.

Coupled with that, loyalism and, to some degree, unionism is intrinsically linked with the Orange Order and Free Presbyterianism, both of which as we all know are inherently anti-Catholic. Neither republicanism or nationalism have that same link with religion (which is obviously a good thing), hence even those Celtic fans with republican ideals are not likely to hate others based purely on religious persuasion.

To put it simply - and this is just my opinion but also my firm belief - the fans of The Rangers FC who hate Celtic fans largely hate them because they see them as mainly Catholic and that many would have Irish heritage. The famine song, billy boys etc. are living proof of that fact. Read the words of those songs to see. The Celtic fans who hate fans of The Rangers FC hate them simply because they are fans of The Rangers FC. Not that I'm saying one form of hatred is any less vile than another, but hatred associated with heritage, race and religion is always going to end up being a lot more dangerous than hatred based on association with a different football club.

Savage Tyrant

PauloMN wrote: »

No offence, but to hear a fan of The Rangers FC coming out with "Integration comes from two sides though, right ?" just made me laugh a little.

I'm not going to get into a debate over whether The Rangers FC are or were a sectarian club or not. I have my opinion on that as I'm sure you have yours. What I do know, and what I reckon most decent fans of The Rangers FC know if they are honest about it, is that their fanbase has a much larger problem element of hardcore loyalist support than Celtic would have equivalent hardcore republican elements. The Rangers FC haven't been able to shake off that element as successfully as Celtic have imo.

Coupled with that, loyalism and, to some degree, unionism is intrinsically linked with the Orange Order and Free Presbyterianism, both of which as we all know are inherently anti-Catholic. Neither republicanism or nationalism have that same link with religion (which is obviously a good thing), hence even those Celtic fans with republican ideals are not likely to hate others based purely on religious persuasion.

To put it simply - and this is just my opinion but also my firm belief - the fans of The Rangers FC who hate Celtic fans largely hate them because they see them as mainly Catholic and that many would have Irish heritage. The famine song, billy boys etc. are living proof of that fact. Read the words of those songs to see. The Celtic fans who hate fans of The Rangers FC hate them simply because they are fans of The Rangers FC. Not that I'm saying one form of hatred is any less vile than another, but hatred associated with heritage, race and religion is always going to end up being a lot more dangerous than hatred based on association with a different football club.

Tee hee hee!!!

Also: quality post. Bang on all accounts.

PauloMN

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Tee hee hee!!!

Just using the "official" name, as pointed out on their thread.

Dempsey

PauloMN wrote: »

Just using the "official" name, as pointed out on their thread.

We should be referred to as "The Celtic Football Club" if thats the case, Keith AFC will choke to death on cornflakes first I reckon

Coillte_Bhoy

Eirebear wrote: »

Yeah i get that impression from their website - still the same thing though, sadly it's not just the scottish media who are guilty of **** stirring.

Re: Jelle's post, i get what your saying - but he wasnt having a dig at anything Irish or Celtic related there. It seems people are all too willing to jump on him at the moment even if he is simply trying to explain his standpoint. The absence of Brewster must be getting to sompe people!

Where has he disappeared too? I kind of miss him:o

Coillte_Bhoy

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I am pretty sure most of the British football articles that appear in the IT are taken from the Guardian. I believe the Irish Independent take theirs from the Telegraph.

any such articles are credited at the bottom with '(c) Guardian' etc or they certainly should be

PauloMN

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Where has he disappeared too? I kind of miss him:o

So do I, haven't heard any co-efficient chat in ages. Last post of his I saw was the one where he was telling us that Mowbray could teach Lenny some respect and dignity. :eek: Anyway, I digress....

Jelle1880

Disagree Paulo.

Not speaking for all Celtic fans, but to hear some of your fellow fans use stuff like 'Soon there'll be no Protestants at all' and the likes makes it perfectly clear that there is also an element at Parkhead which hates Rangers because they are seen as the enemy, based on religion and political beliefs.

Savage Tyrant

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Disagree Paulo.

Not speaking for all Celtic fans, but to hear some of your fellow fans use stuff like 'Soon there'll be no Protestants at all' and the likes makes it perfectly clear that there is also an element at Parkhead which hates Rangers because they are seen as the enemy, based on religion and political beliefs.

That song is sung by a minute number of supporters outside the ground and in a few pubs. They are morons and idiots. That song NEVER, and I do mean NEVER picks up any voice inside the ground.

PauloMN

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

That song is sung by a minute number of supporters outside the ground and in a few pubs. They are morons and idiots. That song NEVER, and I do mean NEVER picks up any voice inside the ground.

True... unlike the famine song and billy boys. That's the point, the scale of the problem in the two clubs cannot be compared, it's like chalk and cheese.

I can honestly say I've never even heard that song, it can't exactly be common.

Jelle1880

That might very well be, but The Billy Boys and Why Don't You Go Home hardly pick up any voice at Ibrox either, it's a morgue most of the time anyway.

I guess with both fans it's the away support which mostly indulges in these chants.

Savage Tyrant

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That might very well be, but The Billy Boys and Why Don't You Go Home hardly pick up any voice at Ibrox either, it's a morgue most of the time anyway.

I guess with both fans it's the away support which mostly indulges in these chants.

No Jelle... absolutely NOT both sets of fans.... The one song you can point out as being sectarian is NOT SUNG by anything more than literally a handfull of fuckwits in our support.....the 2 main offending songs your lot sing, are sung in voice by 1000's of your fans....There is a MASSIVE difference!
We are NOT 2 sides of the one coin!
Fuck the "Old Firm" - No more guilt by association!

KeithAFC

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

No Jelle... absolutely NOT both sets of fans.... The one song you can point out as being sectarian is NOT SUNG by anything more than literally a handfull of fuckwits in our support.....the 2 main offending songs your lot sing, are sung in voice by 1000's of your fans....There is a MASSIVE difference!
We are NOT 2 sides of the one coin!
Fuck the "Old Firm" - No more guilt by association!

Iv been calling for that for years. The Rangers FC do need to get away from the Old firm thing against such a club like celtic.

Jelle1880

Agreed, I don't want to be associated with Celtic when I say that I'm a Rangers fan.

Le King

KeithAFC wrote: »

Iv been calling for that for years. The Rangers FC do need to get away from the Old firm thing against such a club like celtic.

You have four posts in this thread. Not one of them condemning the attack. Classy.

Fuhrer

KeithAFC wrote: »

Iv been calling for that for years. The Rangers FC do need to get away from the Old firm thing against such a club like celtic.

Aye, it would really help Rangers if they could be associated with a club which had supporters that were more sectarian, violent and bigoted then their own so theyd look better by comparison.

jethro081

i've never had any interest in scottish football, or the old firm in general, but recent events have given me a powerful dislike of rangers football club.





















how could they stoop so low as to sign el hadj diouf

KeithAFC

Fuhrer wrote: »

Aye, it would really help Rangers if they could be associated with a club which had supporters that were more sectarian, violent and bigoted then their own so theyd look better by comparison.

We can all look at negatives and so on. The sectarian chants in history from both sides, child abuse and so on. It won't change anything.

seafood dunleavy

I've checked wikipedia and unless I'm wrong they're called Rangers Football Club with no 'the'!!

Jelle1880

seafood dunleavy wrote: »

I've checked wikipedia and unless I'm wrong they're called Rangers Football Club with no 'the'!!

The club is incorporated as The Rangers Football Club plc.

A Dub in Glasgo

So KeithAFC is referring to his beloved Rangers not by their football name but by their corporate name... that explains everything!

Jelle1880

The Rangers is commonly used by Rangers fans.

PauloMN

At least the "old firm" tag is one thing we can all agree on, can't stand it either. Can't see the likes of Sky etc. dropping it though.

PauloMN

From the Record:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/celtic/2011/04/23/neil-lennon-i-d-reconsider-my-position-as-celtic-boss-if-threats-got-worse-it-s-affecting-life-outside-the-game-86908-23080861/

If Lennon leaves at the end of the season because of this I'll be fuming. :mad: I'd support any decision he makes or the Celtic board makes, but it'll set us back 30 years that such terrorism will have won.

NEIL LENNON last night admitted terrorism could force him to quit Celtic.

The manager has stayed strong in the face of abuse and death threats since he first pulled on the Hoops 11 years ago.

Less than a fortnight ago he vowed the bigots would not drive him out but as the madness is cranked up to an unimaginable level, Lennon now admits he is close to breaking point.

He said: "If this was to escalate further I would seriously have to reconsider my position. I can do my job OK but living a normal life is different. The sectarian side of things had gone quiet for me for a few years but since last January, when things started to get sent in the post, it's taken a turn for the worse again and that's unpleasant.

"You get offered the Celtic job once in a lifetime and you take all of the crap that goes with it but I get things a little differently.

"What's happening to me is unprecedented. I want it to end. I want it to stop."

Lennon knows by making his admission it might spark his tormentor of tormentors to ratchet up the madness further to ensure he does walk. But he reckons a positive could emerge from his revelation.

He said: "If activity (from the lunatics) is stepped up it might increase the chance of the culprit being caught."

Lennon was involved in a touchline bust-up with Rangers manager-in-waiting Ally McCoist at Celtic Park in March.

But the Irishman has now thanked the Ibrox coach for his support.

Lennon said: "I welcomed Ally's words about this matter but I also understand there's not a lot you can do. It's a matter for the police to sort out."

Lennon doesn't expect a transformation in supporters' attitudes when he takes Celtic to Ibrox tomorrow for the seventh and most important Old Firm game of the season.

He said: "There might be a few sympathetic voices in the ground among the Rangers fans, which would be nice. But I'm not looking for sympathy.

"I'm looking to go there and win a football match. I don't want the focus to be on me. I've spoken to the Press today and now I want to focus on football.

"I'm not saying Ibrox is going to be a title decider but it could be good for us in psychological terms if we get a positive result."

When Lennon was asked if the events of the next month could decide his future he said: "Possibly, yes. But it might not be my decision. It might involve the Celtic board as well.

"Meanwhile, I'm still not clear on my team for Ibrox. I'll see the players in training then make up my mind.

"I'm pretty sure Rangers won't be as open as Kilmarnock were. Sunday will be tight and tense because there's a lot riding on the result but I want my players to express themselves.

"They're in good spirits but it could be 0-0, 1-0, 1-1 or 6-1. I'm open-minded about the game."

A Dub in Glasgo

Jelle1880 wrote: »

The Rangers is commonly used by Rangers fans.

I have lived in Glasgow for nearly 18 years and I have yet to hear any Rangers fan I know refer to The Rangers when describing their club. I have worked with and played 5 a side with loads of Rangers fans.

Coillte_Bhoy

Le King wrote: »

You have four posts in this thread. Not one of them condemning the attack. Classy.

He's online now, still waiting.....

Dempsey

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I have lived in Glasgow for nearly 18 years and I have yet to hear any Rangers fan I know refer to The Rangers when describing their club. I have worked with and played 5 a side with loads of Rangers fans.

The two on this forum regularly have their opinion shown up, what does that tell you?

In infinitely more important news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13175213

Two men have been arrested after raids by police targeting people suspected of posting "sectarian and hate filled" comments on websites.

Delighted, SwallowSwallow and Rangersmedia must be ****ting themselves.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

The two on this forum regularly have their opinion shown up, what does that tell you?

In infinitely more important news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13175213



Delighted, SwallowSwallow and Rangersmedia must be ****ting themselves.

As must The Muddleboard etc

Oh before anything else is said I don't use either of the two mentioned as I would feel dirty

celtic723

Seems we've a few trololololols.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

celtic723 wrote: »

Seems we've a few trololololols.

Where

Eirebear

celtic723 wrote: »

Seems we've a few trololololols.

In the words of PauloMN - Comedy Gold.

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

In infinitely more important news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13175213



Delighted, SwallowSwallow and Rangersmedia must be ****ting themselves.

The raids, which police said were ongoing, target postings of religious and racial hate comments about Celtic manager Neil Lennon and Rangers striker El Hadji-Diouf.

Could it be, a Celtic fan arrested for racism ?
Surely not.

This is seriously dodgy stuff by the way, how can they prove you made those comments ?
'My room-mate used my computer and posted it as a joke', and you're done.

edit:

McBride:
People are being stabbed in a sectarian way in Glasgow

Lolwhat.

OhNoYouDidn't

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Could it be, a Celtic fan arrested for racism ?
Surely not.

This is seriously dodgy stuff by the way, how can they prove you made those comments ?
'My room-mate used my computer and posted it as a joke', and you're done.

edit:

McBride:
People are being stabbed in a sectarian way in Glasgow

Lolwhat.

It appears to the same old same old from Stratclydes finest. They can't arrest a Rangers fan without tugging a Celtic fan for 'balance'. Watch MI5 catch this bomber in spite of them

On a point of clarification, you are aware that the person investigated by the PSNI for money laundering was found to have no case to answer?

Its well known round here that certain clubs supporters are protested, including the Rangers, because the bile you have posted over the last couple of days would and should have seen you get a permaban from here if you followed anyone else.

Eirebear

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Its well known round here that certain clubs supporters are protested, including the Rangers, because the bile you have posted over the last couple of days would and should have seen you get a permaban from here if you followed anyone else.

Lulz - The Boards.ie moderators, officially accepted into "The Establishment"

Jelle1880

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

It appears to the same old same old from Stratclydes finest. They can't arrest a Rangers fan without tugging a Celtic fan for 'balance'. Watch MI5 catch this bomber in spite of them

On a point of clarification, you are aware that the person investigated by the PSNI for money laundering was found to have no case to answer?

Its well known round here that certain clubs supporters are protested, including the Rangers, because the bile you have posted over the last couple of days would and should have seen you get a permaban from here if you followed anyone else.

Why would any mod here protect Rangers fans ?
Talking about posting bile, have you apologised to the Bohs fans for calling them animals yet ?

Le King

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

He's online now, still waiting.....

He's not going to. As I said it's people with attitudes like his who are part of the problem. Just look at his track record. Soccer forum isn't the only place where people have a problem with his views.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Could it be, a Celtic fan arrested for racism ?
Surely not.

This is seriously dodgy stuff by the way, how can they prove you made those comments ?
'My room-mate used my computer and posted it as a joke', and you're done.

edit:

McBride:
People are being stabbed in a sectarian way in Glasgow

Lolwhat.

Like the Neil Lennon death threats, where's your proof?

El Hadj Diouf is a supporter and personal friend of Gadhafi & family, he's a walking bulleye at the best of times, never mind supporting a dictator and you want to limit the hate for him to just Celtic supporters??

Can you not understand that people are being attacked just because of religious beliefs? Yer 'Lolwhat' shows your deep rooted ignorance.

Once again, you have a half baked idea about Celtic and Rangers. When are you going to look up the facts around what you are spouting? We are all sick of reading your red top bullshít

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

Like the Neil Lennon death threats, where's your proof?

El Hadj Diouf is a supporter and personal friend of Gadhafi & family, he's a walking bulleye at the best of times, never mind supporting a dictator and you want to limit the hate for him to just Celtic supporters??

Can you not understand that people are being attacked just because of religious beliefs? Yer 'Lolwhat' shows your deep rooted ignorance.

Once again, you have a half baked idea about Celtic and Rangers. When are you going to look up the facts around what you are spouting? We are all sick of reading your red top bullshít

I actually never really claimed anything in that post, so you can keep your requests for 'proof' for yourself.
All the media reports are about police looking into Rangers and Celtic fans, I haven't heard one thing to suggest they're looking at other clubs too, hence why I made the joke about a racist Celtic fan (That's right, a joke, nothing to get your panties in a bunch over)

My 'Lolwhat' was aimed at the way McBride described it.
People don't get stabbed in a normal way apparently, it's in a sectarian way.
What's that, putting a knife in to the tune of The Billy Boys ?

KeithAFC

Le King wrote: »

He's not going to. As I said it's people with attitudes like his who are part of the problem. Just look at his track record. Soccer forum isn't the only place where people have a problem with his views.

Problem doesn't equal wrong. Anyway, everyone knows this is wrong.

Fuhrer

Jelle1880 wrote: »

McBride:
People are being stabbed in a sectarian way in Glasgow

Lolwhat.

People getting stabbed, LAUGH OUT LOUD!

Jelle1880

Fuhrer wrote: »

People getting stabbed, LAUGH OUT LOUD!

Did I offend you ?

Coillte_Bhoy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Problem doesn't equal wrong. Anyway, everyone knows this is wrong.

Eh?? So is that a condemnation or what?

OhNoYouDidn't

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Why would any mod here protect Rangers fans ?

Right on peace and love nonsense. Its a nice thing to be able to claim that The Rangers fans can come on here and post without abuse. Problem is we have to tolerate fascistic, racist ramblings from a bigot like you.

I have no idea why your postings are acceptable, but they are. A shocking state of affairs.

Jelle1880

Probably because they're not 'fascistic and racist'.

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Probably because they're not 'fascistic and racist'.

wtf? Again you post random stuff that means nothing. Do you not know how to qoute a previous post? What on earth do you mean by this pots, in what context etc???

Jazzy

love these threads. you can literally tick down absolute idiots

Jelle1880

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

wtf? Again you post random stuff that means nothing. Do you not know how to qoute a previous post? What on earth do you mean by this pots, in what context etc???

Are you honestly saying you can't make the link between my post and the one RIGHT ABOVE IT ?

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Are you honestly saying you can't make the link between my post and the one RIGHT ABOVE IT ?

Yes on a second reading but the majority of people here use the quote function, makes things easier when reading multiple threads. But then considering it's you....