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Dublin Marathon 2011 Novices Mentored Thread

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    #902
    DULLAHAN2
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭DULLAHAN2


    Is many people going to do the athlone 3/4. I am thinking about doing it as i have a 20 mile planned that weekend. Would many run it as a LSR or PMP?


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    #903
    chinguetti
    Registered Users Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    The 2hrs pacers in Clontarf were running at even splits. The reason i know this is that i was the other pacer.:D

    It usually takes a couple of kms to get to the pace that we need to go at (5.40 a km i think) and then you just run along at that pace for the rest of the distance.

    To someone earlier on here who said they would run the first half quick and then slow down for the second half of a marathon, thats a plan for having the most painful couple of hours of your life. If you plan to run a 4h 30 marathon, first half should be around 2.16 for Dublin. Don't try to do a 2 hr first half and hang on for the second, you will implode around the 20 mile mark if you somehow last that long.

    The hardest thing to do is the smart thing, the excitement gets the better of you and you run like the clappers. If anyone wants to try this out, run the 10 miler next week. Do the first 5 miles fast and hang on for the second half. Trust me, you'll never try it a second time.

    Pacing yourself is hard to learn but like everything, you have to practise it.


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    #904
    jamesmurphy1
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭jamesmurphy1


    chinguetti wrote: »
    The 2hrs pacers in Clontarf were running at even splits. The reason i know this is that i was the other pacer.:D

    It usually takes a couple of kms to get to the pace that we need to go at (5.40 a km i think) and then you just run along at that pace for the rest of the distance.

    To someone earlier on here who said they would run the first half quick and then slow down for the second half of a marathon, thats a plan for having the most painful couple of hours of your life. If you plan to run a 4h 30 marathon, first half should be around 2.16 for Dublin. Don't try to do a 2 hr first half and hang on for the second, you will implode around the 20 mile mark if you somehow last that long.

    The hardest thing to do is the smart thing, the excitement gets the better of you and you run like the clappers. If anyone wants to try this out, run the 10 miler next week. Do the first 5 miles fast and hang on for the second half. Trust me, you'll never try it a second time.

    Pacing yourself is hard to learn but like everything, you have to practise it.

    How right you are ran the Kildare half last year and ran off to fast at the start struggled the last 3 miles will never do that again if I aiming for 4.30 for DCM does that mean I should aim for app 10 min miles straight from the start would 09.50 be way to quick?


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    #905
    dev123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 420 ✭✭dev123


    DULLAHAN2 wrote: »
    Is many people going to do the athlone 3/4. I am thinking about doing it as i have a 20 mile planned that weekend. Would many run it as a LSR or PMP?
    From what I can see from the website the pacers for the Athlone 3/4 marathon will be pacing this as a progression run. So for someone with a target of 4 hours for Dublin the pacer will run an average of 10:13min/miles for the first 1/4, 9:41 for the second 1/4 and 9:17 for the third 1/4.

    My understanding of this is that it will give you an idea of what it feels like to run at near PMP when you have 12 odd miles in your legs.

    I'm going to sign up for it as it gets great reviews and will be a real indicator of as to where I am at with regards to being able to maintain my PMP.

    (I'm planning on running the middle 15 miles at PMP with the first and last 2 miles at an easy pace, but only because Jack Daniels is telling me to :))


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    #906
    jamesmurphy1
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭jamesmurphy1


    Can any one tell me there are groups who meet up on Saturday morning for LSRs in the Phoneix Park do you know the time and venue


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    #907
    RayCun
    Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    jamesmurphy1 wrote: »
    Can any one tell me there are groups who meet up on Saturday morning for LSRs in the Phoneix Park do you know the time and venue

    There's a thread in the main forum that's updated regularly.
    There are 8 people meeting up this saturday, 9am in the papal cross car park.


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    #908
    menoscemo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    jamesmurphy1 wrote: »
    Can any one tell me there are groups who meet up on Saturday morning for LSRs in the Phoneix Park do you know the time and venue

    Generally at 9am at the papal cross car park.

    You can follow this thread for updates. There is a group run tomorrow morning.


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    #909
    tHE vAGGABOND
    Registered Users Posts: 6,687 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    DULLAHAN2 wrote: »
    Is many people going to do the athlone 3/4. I am thinking about doing it as i have a 20 mile planned that weekend. Would many run it as a LSR or PMP?
    I am doing it anyway, just to do a LSR somewhere different tbh


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    #910
    pistol_75
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭pistol_75


    tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »
    I am doing it anyway, just to do a LSR somewhere different tbh

    I have entered as well. Probably do as an LSR as well.


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    #911
    DULLAHAN2
    Registered Users Posts: 871 ✭✭✭DULLAHAN2


    Yeah i was thinking of doing it as an lsr aswell. I was going to race it as a half marathon with 6 odd miles of a cooldown but that would be silly since DCM is only 4 weeks after it and the fact i have to drive hour and a half to it so i reckon a lsr at 9- 9.30 min miles will be better.


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    #912
    Skidrow
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭Skidrow


    Are there pacers for the Phoenix Park National Lottery 10 mile on Sat 20th ?


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    #913
    ger664
    Registered Users Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭ger664


    Skidrow wrote: »
    Are there pacers for the Phoenix Park National Lottery 10 mile on Sat 20th ?

    No but there is for the half marathon. 1:30, 1:40, 1:50 & 2:00 are pace bands.


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    #914
    belcarra
    Registered Users Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭belcarra


    pistol_75 wrote: »
    tHE vAGGABOND wrote: »
    I am doing it anyway, just to do a LSR somewhere different tbh

    I have entered as well. Probably do as an LSR as well.
    I'm in for this also and similarly will be doing it at a reduced pace somewhere around 4hr+ Marathon pace. This will be on the back of galway half Marathon the day before (also at training pace) so it'll be a tough weekend for me, but a key one. I'm doing NYC though so I'll have an extra week to recover than the rest of you guys:-)


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    #915
    RayCun
    Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|||210 miles||
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|||197||
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|23|136m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|||247miles since May||


    Let's be havin ye


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    #916
    Nules10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|||210 miles||
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|23|136m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|||247miles since May||


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    #917
    run44
    Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭run44


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|||210 miles||
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|23|136m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|


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    #918
    shivDCM
    Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭shivDCM


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|||210 miles||
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|


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    #919
    RayCun
    Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Monday | Tuesday|Wednesday|Thursday|Friday|Saturday|Sunday
    rest|3m/5k|6m/10k|3m/5k|rest|14m/22k|cross


    If you're doing the Frank Duffy 10 mile next weekend, that's good enough as your long run. If you want to make up the miles, you could do a short and easy recovery run on Sunday.

    If you're not racing on the weekend, you could run the 6 mile midweek run as a fartlek session. Here's a guide. Warm up for a couple of miles, then do intervals of varying distances and speeds - the shorter the distance you run, the faster you should run. Let your breathing recover completely after each interval before starting the next one.


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    #920
    rom
    Registered Users Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭rom


    So I put 1hr 20 mins for 10 miles into mcmillanrunning.com calculator
    It says times for Long Runs and Easy Runs. Which one is for my LSR ?

    Long Runs 9:04 to 10:04
    Easy Runs 9:04 to 9:34

    which one is for my Sunday run ?

    Thanks


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    #921
    ger664
    Registered Users Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭ger664


    rom wrote: »
    So I put 1hr 20 mins for 10 miles into mcmillanrunning.com calculator

    It says times for Long Runs and Easy Runs. Which one is for my LSR ?

    Easy Run is a run you can easily do but at a slow pace.
    Long run is a distance that you do not run regularly or have never tackled before.
    rom wrote: »

    Long Runs 9:04 to 10:04
    Easy Runs 9:04 to 9:34

    which one is for my Sunday run ?

    Thanks

    These paces are wrong because
    ecoli wrote: »
    Calculators are predictors of what you should be running for each event if you are training specifically for that event.

    You are not running a 10 Mile race in October. Go back to the calculator and enter a realistic time you are aiming for in the marathon, and then use the training paces it spits out.


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    #922
    tHE vAGGABOND
    Registered Users Posts: 6,687 ✭✭✭tHE vAGGABOND


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|3|16 Miles|226 miles|Very disrupted week due to injury to left knee :mad: |
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|


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    #923
    jamesmurphy1
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭jamesmurphy1


    shivDCM wrote: »
    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|||210 miles||
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|
    jamesmurphy1 240miles could not finish LSR yesterday stopped at 14 disappointed


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    #924
    jamesmurphy1
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭jamesmurphy1


    Lads looking for a bit of help struggling the last 2 weeks on the LSR at week 11 in HH novice 2 about two weeks ahead of time as i hoped to do two 20 mile as part of the program. Doing Frank duffy next week and hoping to do athlone which would be one of my 20 mile runs after yesterday feel like never running again


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    #925
    Nules10
    Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    jamesmurphy1 wrote: »
    Lads looking for a bit of help struggling the last 2 weeks on the LSR at week 11 in HH novice 2 about two weeks ahead of time as i hoped to do two 20 mile as part of the program. Doing Frank duffy next week and hoping to do athlone which would be one of my 20 mile runs after yesterday feel like never running again

    james not sure where you are based. But i find the group runs in the park a great help to me when i am doing my LSR's not sure i could do them without the group at this stage. I don't know how to do the link but there is a thread in the main forum. I know someone has mentioned it on here before. If you are not based in Dublin they aren't much good to you though.


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    #926
    RayCun
    Registered Users Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|3|16 Miles|226 miles|Very disrupted week due to injury to left knee :mad: |
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|||62||
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|
    jamesmurphy1|||240miles|could not finish LSR yesterday stopped at 14 disappointed|


    Are you just running out of steam on the LSRs? How fast are you running them? Are you taking any water or gels? What have been your longest runs apart from these LSRs?


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    #927
    red face dave
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|3|16 Miles|226 miles|Very disrupted week due to injury to left knee :mad: |
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|||137.3 miles||
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|3|21|83|Good hard run this morning hill running. Now off on holidays hope to do a bit out there|
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|
    jamesmurphy1|||240miles|could not finish LSR yesterday stopped at 14 disappointed|


    Off now for some warm weather training catch up with ye all in a week


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    #928
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|3|16 Miles|226 miles|Very disrupted week due to injury to left knee :mad: |
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|4|29.7|167.0 miles|14 Miles from O'Connell St through Phoenix Park and back home was fun|
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|||104miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|3|21|83|Good hard run this morning hill running. Now off on holidays hope to do a bit out there|
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|
    jamesmurphy1|||240miles|could not finish LSR yesterday stopped at 14 disappointed|


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    #929
    razor12345
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭razor12345


    Missed my LSR this weekend, doing the ten miler on saturday, should I try and find it in before Saturday, or just leave it


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    #930
    Mr abbey
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭Mr abbey


    RayCun wrote: »
    Monday | Tuesday|Wednesday|Thursday|Friday|Saturday|Sunday
    rest|3m/5k|6m/10k|3m/5k|rest|14m/22k|cross


    The HH Novice plan I have is 13 miles this week. I know 1 mile is going to make f all difference but I'm just wondering why this is, and if the one I have is an old one or something? Really don't want to sound ridiculous but am just curious?


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    #931
    Mr abbey
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭Mr abbey


    Name|Sessions Completed|This Week|Total so far|Comments
    meijin|||94 miles||
    Vagga|3|16 Miles|226 miles|Very disrupted week due to injury to left knee :mad: |
    shels4ever|||not sure||
    Nules10|4|32.83|229|Feeling pretty chuffed right now. great week :)|
    Duckee|||80||
    liamog|4|29.7|167.0 miles|14 Miles from O'Connell St through Phoenix Park and back home was fun|
    Concerned2|||302.7 miles||
    cr17|||116 miles||
    Rider|||113m||
    Househunter|||231.3||
    Mr Abbey|4|24m|128miles||
    PDCAT|||111.8m||
    TomD101|||99.3miles|
    ShivDCM|4|31|167m||
    BobMac104|||140.05m||
    dylbert|||119.5||
    ger664||| 160 Kms| |
    specialk1977|||122|
    red face dave|3|21|83|Good hard run this morning hill running. Now off on holidays hope to do a bit out there|
    galwayhooker|||||
    Younganne|||64m||
    noeleoreid|||27||
    pulpo|||150 km||
    rom|||146 miles||
    TiptoeMushroom|||104km since June 22nd. | |
    special1977||| ca emember total| |
    mazken|||81 miles||
    run44 (Aoife)|4|31.3m|278.3m total|Good week, but looking forward to a rest day tomorrow!|
    jamesmurphy1|||240miles|could not finish LSR yesterday stopped at 14 disappointed|

    Might actually register soon!


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