steriods

mushykeogh

Hanley wrote: »

I was going to say the exact same, but then went to check and make sure I wasn't wrong. And it turned out I was.... Clen is used to treat asthma!

Well you learn something new everyday!

Mellor

gymsoldier wrote: »

Clenbuterol is steroid alright, banned by WADA aswell, taken orally its used as a fat burner.

There is a pretty clear definition of steroids. Clenbuterol isn't a steroid. Just because banned by WADA but that doesn't mean it is. It's a stimulent, has thermogenic effects . You are mixing up steroid and PED.

Obviously not all "steroids" are anabolics either, one of the most common steroids is cholesterol. Eat your eggs people

El_Drago

Mellor wrote: »

There is a pretty clear definition of steroids. Clenbuterol isn't a steroid. Just because banned by WADA but that doesn't mean it is. It's a stimulent, has thermogenic effects . You are mixing up steroid and PED.

Obviously not all "steroids" are anabolics either, one of the most common steroids is cholesterol. Eat your eggs people

Precisely.

Although it is anabolic,Clen isn't classed as a steroid. A steroid, by its very definition, is a compound which forms a complex with its complementary steroid receptor and translocates to the nucleus to cause transcription of the target "muscle-building" genes (assuming it's an anabolic steroid of course). On the other hand, the anabolic qualities of Clen are attributed to binding and activating a non-steroid receptor, the beta-2 adrenoceptor, to cause increased muscle contractions.Also,when used a fat-burner Clen is certainly not the best choice as it's fairly specific for its target receptor, which isn't readily expressed on fat cells.

Mellor

I don't understand the receptor science, I just knew it wasn't a steroid. i'll take your word for it
As for fat burning, I imagine this is down to its thermogenic effects (similar to epidrine) rather than targeting fat cells

powersand

STEROIDS ARE FOR LOSERS / NERDS

FACT

deadlybuzzman

powersand wrote: »

STEROIDS ARE FOR LOSERS / NERDS

FACT

Any statement ending with FACT is 100% irrefutable fact FACT

gymsoldier

powersand wrote: »

STEROIDS ARE FOR LOSERS / NERDS

FACT

But your a "bodybuilder"

powersand

gymsoldier wrote: »

But your a "bodybuilder"

LOL my mistake on last thread im bodybuilding i dont go on stage so to answer to your question is no LOL im to small to go on stage

anyway im all natural i take no juice

El_Drago

Mellor wrote: »

I don't understand the receptor science, I just knew it wasn't a steroid. i'll take your word for it
As for fat burning, I imagine this is down to its thermogenic effects (similar to epidrine) rather than targeting fat cells

The thermogenic effects of Clen inadvertently causes fat loss.However, because ephedrine is a relatively non-selective beta adrenoceptor agonist, it also targets the beta-1 and -3 adrenoceptors (expressed abundantly on fat cells), the activation of which collectively leads to greater fat loss than targetting the beta-2 receptor alone (Clen). The potential side effects of ephedrine arise as a result of the expression of beta-adrenoceptors on other tissues as well as fat cells,notably the heart.

Parsley

powersand wrote: »

LOL my mistake on last thread im bodybuilding i dont go on stage so to answer to your question is no LOL im to small to go on stage

anyway im all natural i take no juice

joose up -> go on stage

win?

:pac:

gymsoldier

Haha didnt you listen to what Dave Tate said about Human Potential. Stop using up all the gear for the athletes that need it haha :D

papajimsmooth

I always wonder why people say eating is the hardest part of doing steroids, i could just eat until i run out of food?

BlastedGlute

Who said eating is the hardest part of taking steroids???? Surely it was that eating is the hardest part of bodybuilding????

the drifter

Eating is the hardest part of any type pf training for most people...

Ill lift stuff all day
Ill throw people around all day

Unfortunately ill also eat pizza all day

Hanley

the drifter wrote: »

Eating is the hardest part of any type pf training for most people...

Ill lift stuff all day
Ill throw people around all day

Unfortunately ill also eat pizza all day

This is absolute fact. Training is easy. It only takes a few hours a day and is enjoyable. Eating right is an all the time thing.

gymsoldier

papajimsmooth wrote: »

I always wonder why people say eating is the hardest part of doing steroids, i could just eat until i run out of food?

How about multiple site injections if you were on Test Prop. Daily pinning, id hate that, surely that would be the worst part ha

SanoVitae

the drifter wrote: »

Eating is the hardest part of any type pf training for most people...

Back in 1998, I worked with an ex-professional bodybuilder who was one of the top guys in Ireland back in the day.

He said that during his career, he and his training partners used to smoke dope in order to get the munchies and then cram in all the food they needed to eat throughout the day to build/maintain muscle.

Sounds way worse than dieting....

gymsoldier

SanoVitae wrote: »

Back in 1998, I worked with an ex-professional bodybuilder who was one of the top guys in Ireland back in the day.

He said that during his career, he and his training partners used to smoke dope in order to get the munchies and then cram in all the food they needed to eat throughout the day to build/maintain muscle.

Sounds way worse than dieting....

Haha you mean like Arnie:



There use to be a supplement out about 3 years ago with some extract of cannabis in it called Black Hole, I think its banned now though:

DL Saint

gymsoldier wrote: »

Haha you mean like Arnie:



There use to be a supplement out about 3 years ago with some extract of cannabis in it called Black Hole, I think its banned now though:

Epic name for a supplement

SanoVitae

DL Saint wrote: »

Epic name for a supplement

It was named after one of its side effects......

Barry.Oglesby

I wonder what would happen if, say for example, the humble common or garden daisy flower was discovered to have amazing anabolic properties? Would people say how wrong it is to eat daisies before training, or how daisies were for losers?
Is it just things are synthesised in labs that people have a problem with? When people get dental pain, do they insist on only using clove oil or do they take Neurofen?
Cheating is cheating, but I’m just curious as to why people have certain attitudes towards drugs.

gymsoldier

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Cheating is cheating, but I’m just curious as to why people have certain attitudes towards drugs.

I agree with steroids being banned in professional sports to have a level playing ground. But why do people think it’s cheating for the average Joe blogs to take something to break the barrier of human genetics? Taking steroids is not the "easy way out of hard work", that’s the naive clueless person talking in my opinion. And just to clarify, I’m not a user of steroids and never have been. I don’t have the testicular fortitude to pin, thats my fear, needles.

boomtown84

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if, say for example, the humble common or garden daisy flower was discovered to have amazing anabolic properties? Would people say how wrong it is to eat daisies before training, or how daisies were for losers? NO,the whole country would be ripped....and loving it.
Is it just things are synthesised in labs that people have a problem with?Yes.....imo
When people get dental pain, do they insist on only using clove oil or do they take Neurofen?taking drugs for the good of your health is entirely different to taking them for an edge over a competitor
Cheating is cheating, but I’m just curious as to why people have certain attitudes towards drugs.because imo sport should be played on a level playing field......btw i still enjoy watching sports where competitors are on drugs...but for the most part they're all on them so no upper hand eg strongman

..

gymsoldier

boomtown84 wrote: »

btw i still enjoy watching sports where competitors are on drugs...but for the most part they're all on them so no upper hand eg strongman

Just wanna edit my quote about banning steroids in all sports. Juice up those strongmen and bodybuilders!!!!

But keep the ban in Rugby, Swimming, 100m etc.

boomtown84

gymsoldier wrote: »

Just wanna edit my quote about banning steroids in all sports. Juice up those strongmen and bodybuilders!!!!

But keep the ban in Rugby, Swimming, 100m etc.

Yes but there should be a new organisation set up. An untested organisation which holds it's own world championships.
i'd bet good money that'd soon become verrrrry popular!

Degsy

SanoVitae wrote: »

Back in 1998, I worked with an ex-professional bodybuilder who was one of the top guys in Ireland back in the day.

He said that during his career, he and his training partners used to smoke dope in order to get the munchies and then cram in all the food they needed to eat throughout the day to build/maintain muscle.

Sounds way worse than dieting....

I cant think of anything that would kill your desire to go to the gym better than being stoned.

Parsley

Degsy wrote: »

I cant think of anything that would kill your desire to go to the gym better than being stoned.

i've done a full smolov session after hitting a gravity bong... it can be done :pac:

Degsy

Parsley wrote: »

i've done a full smolov session after hitting a gravity bong... it can be done :pac:

Christ no way..there's enough headwreckers in my gym when my head is clear.

stevefinnn

Few links here in why you should never take steriods

http://staff.potsdam.k12.ny.us/~hwilson/Debate%20Drugs%20n%20Sports/I%20do%20them%20too%20Steroids.jpg

http://blog.getanabolics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/steroid1.jpg

http://juliemichaelson.com/assets/blog/hot_weird_funny_amazing_cool8_a-women-bodybuilder-trainwreck-16_2009073023323611542.jpg

http://steroidmediawatch.com/wp-content/uploads/steroids-not-in-my-game-plan-football-500x359.jpg

http://www.nosteroids.org/Images/graphics/steroids.jpg

http://files.sharenator.com/20070402_steroids_Steroids_are_good-s450x266-14362-580.jpg

http://www.artsandopinion.com/2008_v7_n3/volume_images/steroids-2.jpg

http://i1.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/590/draft_lens16606841module144644921photo_1294079889blown-up-bicep.jpg

TeddyTedson

I'm very put off steroids after reading some of this stuff. I'm even reluctant about prescribed steroids.

DL Saint

boomtown84 wrote: »

Yes but there should be a new organisation set up. An untested organisation which holds it's own world championships.
i'd bet good money that'd soon become verrrrry popular!

I think this guy will support you on that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgopPV3a8wM&feature=relmfu

boomtown84

DL Saint wrote: »

I think this guy will support you on that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgopPV3a8wM&feature=relmfu

"if you got three f*ckin feet.....RUN mothaf*cka!"

funny sh*t!:D

TeddyTedson

Are people sure Havoc a steroid? I've seen it for sale from reputable stores

gymsoldier

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Are people sure Havoc a steroid? I've seen it for sale from reputable stores

RPN Havoc??? With the active ingredient being 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol?? Yes that surely is classed as a steroid.

dartstothesea

People need to respond to my question about what Dave Tate meant when he talked about the type of strength training that had no trade off with endurance. (The video on the previous page).

TeddyTedson

gymsoldier wrote: »

RPN Havoc??? With the active ingredient being 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol?? Yes that surely is classed as a steroid.

Yea RPN Havoc. It's not legal then, right? Is there a difference between pro hormone and steroid, or is pro hormone just another way to get around the law?

Dathai

stevefinnn wrote: »

Few links here in why you should never take steriods


http://juliemichaelson.com/assets/blog/hot_weird_funny_amazing_cool8_a-women-bodybuilder-trainwreck-16_2009073023323611542.jpg

Worst Gynecomastia EVER. That lad needs to get himself sorted, quick.

Hanley

Dathai wrote: »

Worst Gynecomastia EVER. That lad needs to get himself sorted, quick.

I really like that movie he was in

qvsr46ofgc792k

in the gym I go, I have seen a bloke make more gains in 4 weeks then I did all year.... how.... STERIODS.

With those results I can see why people do them.
But with the side effects I would never dream of going near them.

Not just that but the way he lifts (his posture and all) he is going to **** his back up or slip a disc well before his dick falls off.

Dathai

Just out of interest, what kind of gains is he making? Is it noticeable size, or just the numbers he is lifting?

Mellor

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Yea RPN Havoc. It's not legal then, right? Is there a difference between pro hormone and steroid, or is pro hormone just another way to get around the law?

Technically, there is a difference between steroid and prohormone. From a chemical point of view.
I imagine Havoc was originally a designer drug/steriod created to get around current laws as it was different chemically from steroids and not on banned lists.
But that doesn't mean that the effects are any different on your body, especially if it causes your body to produce more hormones.

wiki wrote:

A prohormone is a substance that is a precursor to a hormone, usually having minimal hormonal effect by itself. The primary function of a prohormone is to enhance the strength of the hormone that already occurs in the body. Prohormones add no hormones whereas steroids add hormones which commonly causes confusion between the two.

qvsr46ofgc792k

Dathai wrote: »

Just out of interest, what kind of gains is he making? Is it noticeable size, or just the numbers he is lifting?

Oh yeah the gains he is making are very noticeable.

Now in saying that though what he lifts doesn't look right for his size at all. He is too small to be lifting what he does. One if the reasons why it's obvious he is juicing.

If you are tempted my advice is stay away.
Steroids are for lazy ****s who are afraid if a bit of hard work.

Doug Cartel

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

Steroids are for lazy ****s who are afraid if a bit of hard work.

You don't have a clue do you? Steroids enable you do do more work through quicker recovery times and all that, but they don't do the work for you

SanoVitae

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

Steroids are for lazy ****s who are afraid if a bit of hard work.

I would argue that those who take steroids, especially top bodybuilders, work harder than you could possibly imagine.

They are extreme in size because they train and diet extremely hard.

Barry.Oglesby

Doug Cartel wrote: »

You don't have a clue do you? Steroids enable you do do more work through quicker recovery times and all that, but they don't do the work for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qBX2PGStk

gymsoldier

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

before his dick falls off.

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

If you are tempted my advice is stay away.
Steroids are for lazy ****s who are afraid if a bit of hard work.

Youre (Im going to have to use capitals to make my point) CLUELESS!! :D

Dathai

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

Oh yeah the gains he is making are very noticeable.

Now in saying that though what he lifts doesn't look right for his size at all. He is too small to be lifting what he does. One if the reasons why it's obvious he is juicing.

If you are tempted my advice is stay away.
Steroids are for lazy ****s who are afraid if a bit of hard work.

He's big, but he's small and lifting big numbers.. Ok.

If you step back and watch what the guy is doing, examine the reps and sets and the areas he's hitting and what numbers he's using you'll probably work out how he's getting big (but small at the same time). Instantly proclaiming that it's steroids is ridiculous. Although, I can't imagine anyone (even those on steroids) getting massive in 4 weeks, unless they're doing some sort of uber German Volume Training.

qvsr46ofgc792k

Oooh did I step on the toes of some of the juicers on the board. Just as well I didn't say it in the gym to you or you would probably take my head off ha ha.

But seriously are you all meaning to tell me that the gains you make through steroid use could not be made through heavy lifting, time, dedication and a strict diet... Of course they can.

If the side effects were not attached I would be be taking them myself. But the fact that they are and people are still using them proves my point!

Nate--IRL--

Maliyah Wooden Belly wrote: »

But seriously are you all meaning to tell me that the gains you make through steroid use could not be made through heavy lifting, time, dedication and a strict diet... Of course they can.

I was under the impression that given the proper diet and training they would allow the trainee to exceed their genetic potential.

Nate

qvsr46ofgc792k

Dathai wrote: »

He's big, but he's small and lifting big numbers.. Ok.

If you step back and watch what the guy is doing, examine the reps and sets and the areas he's hitting and what numbers he's using you'll probably work out how he's getting big (but small at the same time). Instantly proclaiming that it's steroids is ridiculous. Although, I can't imagine anyone (even those on steroids) getting massive in 4 weeks, unless they're doing some sort of uber German Volume Training.

I don't understand what you are getting confused about?

His size is noticeably bigger but he isn't huge. The big difference I have seen in a month is he was squating 60kg 5x5 about a month ago and yesterday I saw him squat 200kg.

It took me well over a month to get from 100 kg to 120kg