Civillians in Syria being openned fire on (warning: graphic video)

MrPain

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People need to see this and be aware of what these people are going through. really make you grateful to live in a 1st world country.

cliffs on vid:

- Unarmed civilians protesting against the government in the city of Izraa being fired at by government troops with sniper rifles, ak47s, etc..

if video is innaprropriate mod please delete

sdanseo

That's absolutely horiffic, please delete.

WARNING: Half a man's face is shot off in the above video.

Kivaro

Best thing to do is to report it as I did, not because of the theme of the post but because of the extremely disturbing clip, which shows the execution of innocent civilians. It is not suitable in this forum because kids may see it.

papermaker

never seen anything like it in my life...I feel physically sick

ct89

BANG BANG!! CLASS!

cruiser178

its not often im at a loss for words.....

Shield

IMHO this is very inappropriate. If you delete your post, you'll delete the thread, which I think would be the morally correct thing to do. This isn't rotten.com

KINGVictor

It is really horrible to watch scenes like that ,especially with kids been caught up in the fracas.

I really hope the Syrian government exercises restraint and let their citizens express their democratic right to protest and voice their opinion.

David086

Ugh.......................

Chuck Stone

It's pretty shocking but I don't think taking it down serves any purpose other than to diminish the reality of oppression.

We're way too removed from this stuff by our media.

Hank Scorpio

Disturbing

KINGVictor

psni wrote: »

IMHO this is very inappropriate. If you delete your post, you'll delete the thread, which I think would be the morally correct thing to do. This isn't rotten.com

I am sorry but I don't share your opinion, it is videos like this that keep the revolution in the Arab states going, putting into consideration that there is severe state press censorship in regards to the actual state of affairs in these countries.

Without a doubt, these sort of videos are repulsive but it is reality and if it would help in galvanising support for the people's aspiration for change then unfortunately it has be done. As we can see, YouTube are not deleting these videos because they understand the impact it is having.

MrPain

psni wrote: »

IMHO this is very inappropriate. If you delete your post, you'll delete the thread, which I think would be the morally correct thing to do. This isn't rotten.com

I removed the video, but I still think people should really think about these events. When you hear about them on the news you rarely think twice about it but when you see the individual suffering these people are enduring it really amkes you grateful for the life you have.

Sorry for any offence caused


edit: now I see people want it up, I let a mod decide

FrostyJack

If youtube aren't taking it down, I don't think you should.

It is not suitable in this forum because kids may see it.

As apposed to the numerous threads about rape, incest and murder on here :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

The solution to people being killed by their oppressive government is to dehumanise it. Turn the sufferings of people being killed for daring to challenge oppression in to words that mean nothing... :rolleyes:

Youtube haven't removed the video. The people who recorded this video recorded it so that the people of the world would know of their plight. They want people to see what they're going through because they need people to support them. I'm not saying that embedding the video in the OP is a good idea but at the very least the link should be kept. It's not nice to watch but being killed for daring to protest isn't very nice either.

MrPain

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The solution to people being killed by their oppressive government is to dehumanise it. Turn the sufferings of people being killed for daring to challenge oppression in to words that mean nothing... :rolleyes:

Youtube haven't removed the video. The people who recorded this video recorded it so that the people of the world would know of their plight. They want people to see what they're going through because they need people to support them. I'm not saying that embedding the video in the OP is a good idea but at the very least the link should be kept. It's not nice to watch but being killed for daring to protest isn't very nice either.

Ok I went with this not embeded, but link is still there.

Kivaro

FrostyJack wrote: »

As apposed to the numerous threads about rape, incest and murder on here :rolleyes:

Yes, but these threads do not have an accompanying video.

Believe you me, I am the last person on the planet to stifle free speech, but in this instance there is the risk of too many vulnerable people (kids) stumbling onto this thread.


The events in Syria is an abomination and is another example of a powerless UN. The video should be available for all to see in the correct forum.

FrostyJack

Kivaro wrote: »

The video should be available for all to see in the correct forum.

Which is?

Shield

Guys IMO this breaches Part 4 of the site's Terms of Use:

"You agree NOT to use Boards.ie to:

• post Material that contains violence, or offensive subject matter"

If this doesn't fall under the above heading, I don't know what does.

tweedledee

Who gives a ****e about Syria,Palestine ,Libya etc,????The people of Ireland need more attention.
God it irritates me when some PC idiots complain about Arab dictators,the Irish public need more tlc.

DarkJager

Yeah I have to agree with the other guys. The video is absolutely horrific and shouldn't be posted here.

tweedledee]Who gives a ****e about Syria,Palestine ,Libya etc,????The people of Ireland need more attention.
God it irritates me when some PC idiots complain about Arab dictators,the Irish public need more tlc.

Thats what this thread is about, so if you'd rather whinge about Ireland, there are plenty of other threads to do it in.

Dwellingdweller

FrostyJack wrote: »

Which is?

Disturbing videos/images?

On topic-didnt watch the vid (on my phone) but it is important, no matter how gruesome the content, that people know what is happenin in today's world. It shouldn't be watered down.

DarkJager

Dwellingdweller wrote: »

Disturbing videos/images?

On topic-didnt watch the vid (on my phone) but it is important, no matter how gruesome the content, that people know what is happenin in today's world. It shouldn't be watered down.

Watch the video before you say that. A guy with blood flooding out of a wound in his throat, another guy with his head split in half from sniper fire - there is nothing in that video of journalist merit as its quite simply brutal.

EDIT: I've just finished watching the whole thing and it definitely is not suitable for here. Children with their brains hanging out, a guy dying with his mouth exploded by a bullet. I'm not a softy by any stretch for "gore" videos, but this is real suffering and really should not be linked on this site.

FrostyJack

Dwellingdweller wrote: »

Disturbing videos/images?

There is one of them on Boards?

Having watched the video, I can say it isn't pleasant viewing, maybe a good compromise would be to describe the details of the video (I know this waters it down). If people really want to see it, I'm sure a quick search on youtube will find it.

"You agree NOT to use Boards.ie to:
post Material that contains violence, or offensive subject matter"

If this doesn't fall under the above heading, I don't know what does.

Well it could be argued you do not see any violence in the video only the aftermath. As for the offensive subject matter, see my previous post.

DarkJager

FrostyJack wrote: »

There is one of them on Boards?

Having watched the video, I can say it isn't pleasant viewing, maybe a good compromise would be to describe the details of the video (I know this waters it down). If people really want to see it, I'm sure a quick search on youtube will find it.



Well it could be argued you do not see any violence in the video only the aftermath. As for the offensive subject matter, see my previous post.

Ok, let me list it from what I see:

1) Numerous images of badly wounded people being dragged to safety.
2) Blood pouring out a throat wound on a dying man
3) Image of a person with their skull split in half from a sniper round.
4) Images of dead children with their brains hanging out a gaping wound in their skull.
5) More numerous images of badly wounded/dying people.
6) Credits

However crazy and distasteful AH gets at times, this video has no place in here and is more suited to rotten.com. I understand the message of the video, but for a general forum which doesn't restrict by age this really is not appropriate.

partyatmygaff

DarkJager wrote: »

EDIT: I've just finished watching the whole thing and it definitely is not suitable for here.

Where should it be moved to then?

Nein 11? This isn't gore for gore's sake. These people are being killed and they want people to know their suffering so that others will see their plight. If we censor videos for fear of "offending" or "disturbing" someone then we are playing right in to the hands of the oppressive governments that these people want to remove.

300 dead means nothing to anyone. People will say "Ah, isn't that terrible?" and then move on. Some might even make a few "OH the humanity" style posts with a few and perhaps a few :mad: and they will feel nothing. It's just a few faceless dead adding to a death tally in a far away country.

sdanseo

This simply isn't suitable for AH, I'm afraid.

Dwellingdweller

DarkJager wrote: »

Watch the video before you say that. A guy with blood flooding out of a wound in his throat, another guy with his head split in half from sniper fire - there is nothing in that video of journalist merit as its quite simply brutal.

EDIT: I've just finished watching the whole thing and it definitely is not suitable for here. Children with their brains hanging out, a guy dying with his mouth exploded by a bullet. I'm not a softy by any stretch for "gore" videos, but this is real suffering and really should not be linked on this site.

****. Yeah FrostyJack, theres a thread in the cool pics/vids ( though the vid is a far cry from "cool" :roll: ) forum along the lines of 'most moving/shocking pics&vids you've ever seen'. Still: wow.

DarkJager

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Where should it be moved to then?

Nein 11? This isn't gore for gore's sake. These people are being killed and they want people to know their suffering so that others will see their plight. If we censor videos for fear of "offending" or "disturbing" someone then we are playing right in to the hands of the oppressive governments that these people want to remove.

300 dead means nothing to anyone. People will say "Ah, isn't that terrible?" and then move on. Some might even make a few "OH the humanity" style posts with a few and perhaps a few :mad: and they will feel nothing. It's just a few faceless dead adding to a death tally in a far away country.

No I don't agree, this video simply is not suitable for any forum on this site. Even the most hardcore news stations in the western world would not show this, however much they wanted to highlight what is going on over there. I'm truly shocked personally, so the video has delivered the intended message to me.

However, I remember my first time watching a beheading video back in 2005 and how it stayed with me for days after. I really have to say, this video isn't much different, and besides its intended political and humanitarian message, I really don't wish for anyone unprepared to see things like this to stumble across it just because the link is here. This is an Irish discussion forum, not /b/ or some gore site.

Nodin

DarkJager wrote: »

No I don't agree, this video simply is not suitable for any forum on this site. Even the most hardcore news stations in the western world would not show this, however much they wanted to highlight what is going on over there. I'm truly shocked personally, so the video has delivered the intended message to me.

However, I remember my first time watching a beheading video back in 2005 and how it stayed with me for days after. I really have to say, this video isn't much different, and besides its intended political and humanitarian message, I really don't wish for anyone unprepared to see things like this to stumble across it just because the link is here. This is an Irish discussion forum, not /b/ or some gore site.

Theres a fucking warning in the thread title, and a warning in the post. Theres no images, only a link.

DarkJager

Nodin wrote: »

Theres a fucking warning in the thread title, and a warning in the post. Theres no images, only a link.

There is still a link. And "graphic video" doesn't half ****ing describe whats actually in it.

FrostyJack

Dwellingdweller wrote: »

****. Yeah FrostyJack, theres a thread in the cool pics/vids ( though the vid is a far cry from "cool" :roll: ) forum along the lines of 'most moving/shocking pics&vids you've ever seen'. Still: wow.

Though that would defeat the purpose of the video putting it in with the freaks, it isn't a "happy slapping" video or rally car crash. How do you age restrict a forum? Ask for a date of birth? Give credit card details? Interview people? Ask them questions about 1980's? They can all be gotten around if someone wants to. The fact it is on youtube (the generalist forum of them all) negates that point.

I really don't wish for anyone unprepared to see things like this to stumble across it just because the link is here

How do you stumble upon the link? It is clearly marked in the title and in the description? If you don't want to see it don't look.

Nodin

DarkJager wrote: »

There is still a link. ......

People can be traumatised by hovering their mouse over a link now?

partyatmygaff

DarkJager wrote: »

I really don't wish for anyone unprepared to see things like this to stumble across it just because the link is here.

No one is forcing anyone to click on the link.

The point is that the link is available so that those who are prepared are able to see it. It's not about presenting the video as much as it is about making people aware of the video's existence and its content.

Peyton Manning

DarkJager wrote: »

There is still a link.

Thank God you're alright, I was afraid the person who put a gun to your head and made you watch it might have shot you. Phew.

FrostyJack

DarkJager wrote: »

There is still a link. And "graphic video" doesn't half ****ing describe whats actually in it.

What did you expect to see? A cartoon? Someone with a blackeye? Anyone who clicks on a link with "graphic video" and is shocked needs a dictionary.

Kivaro

Nodin wrote:

Theres a ****ing warning in the thread title, and a warning in the post. Theres no images, only a link.

Nodin wrote: »

People can be traumatised by hovering their mouse over a link now?

The video was there for some time before the link replaced it.
Maybe you should know the facts before jumping in.

My name is URL

psni wrote: »

IMHO this is very inappropriate. If you delete your post, you'll delete the thread, which I think would be the morally correct thing to do. This isn't rotten.com

****'s real man

Nodin

Kivaro wrote: »

The video was there for some time before the link replaced it.
Maybe you should know the facts before jumping in.

I saw it. There was none of the graphic images described on the still image of the video. It was changed to a link and still he's going on.

DarkJager

It seems people aren't understanding my viewpoint. I am not offended by the link, I've seen plenty of stuff like it before. Except...that was not boards.ie which has a high rate of teen as well as adult users. I'm no softy for this stuff, but I don't think it should be linked here, simply because there are plenty of sites out there already which cater to this audience (and are specifically geared towards it and everything gore). If people want to watch that sort of stuff, then let them search for it and don''t be linking it here.

Tom Brady wrote:

Thank God you're alright, I was afraid the person who put a gun to your head and made you watch it might have shot you. Phew

Wow, you're a real witty one aren't you? As I said above, I have watched the link, and personally am not offended by it, but slightly (and humanly) shocked by what I've seen in it. My point remains - if you want to DISCUSS things like that here thats fine. But if you want to watch them in all their graphic detail, then **** off somewhere else.

dathi1

I think its important that there should be no censorship of these images. We're too mollycoddled by mainstream media as to the nature of war and suppression. Watch it and see what real world dictatorship is.
Its a reminder to nurture and fight for what's left of what we call democracy in this country.
It's a stark reminder that power hungry politicians can and will do anything for power.

Nodin

DarkJager wrote: »

It seems people aren't understanding my viewpoint. I am not offended by the link, I've seen plenty of stuff like it before. Except...that was not boards.ie which has a high rate of teen as well as adult users. I'm no softy for this stuff, but I don't think it should be linked here, simply because there are plenty of sites out there already which cater to this audience (and are specifically geared towards it and everything gore). If people want to watch that sort of stuff, then let them search for it and don''t be linking it here.

.................

Dear christ....would you like we didn't mention any traumatic events so no poor soul searches for them as well?

cruiser178

I logged onto boards tonight to read some of the usual banter from the usual numb skulls on this forum (including myself) In the 3 years iv'e been reading boards iv'e seen many videos marked NSFW or graphic content but noting prepared me for that imbeded video(or link,same thing)

The internet is full of gore IF you choose to watch it,i choose not to,i dont think sky news are going to be running this video on the hour every hour.

All that said,how do you debate something like this that you havent seen with your own eyes,just not for this forum imo.

DarkJager

Nodin wrote: »

Dear christ....would you like we didn't mention any traumatic events so no poor soul searches for them as well?

Don't be ****ing ridiculous. By all means, lets talk about it and the brutal reality facing those people over there. But including a link which extremely and graphically shows peoples last moments of life and a 10 year old with his brains hanging out is not part of that.

Nodin

DarkJager wrote: »

Don't be ****ing ridiculous. By all means, lets talk about it and the brutal reality facing those people over there. But including a link which extremely and graphically shows peoples last moments of life and a 10 year old with his brains hanging out is not part of that.

Its a LINK with GRAPHIC in red font beside it. Unless you click on it and fail to stop the video playing, you won't see it. Very simple.

However, If there's a person out there forcing people to click on it, please ring the Gardai and give them the description.

scrapsmac

I couldn't watch past the poor kid at the 3minute mark. Absolutely shocking and a true indication of what is happening in the world! And always will happen!

I believe youtube should keep the video up (I doubt they will though) however if it is in boards charter that graphic videos of this kind are banned then the op should respect that decision or find elsewhere to post.

Say a prayer/pause for a moment for the victims of this atrocity, particularly the children who had their whole lives ahead of them.

I can guarantee that wherever they are now, they are hoping this video is seen by as many people as possible to show the true injustice!!

KINGVictor

DarkJager wrote: »

Don't be ****ing ridiculous. By all means, lets talk about it and the brutal reality facing those people over there. But including a link which extremely and graphically shows peoples last moments of life and a 10 year old with his brains hanging out is not part of that.

The post explicitly states that the post contains extreme graphic images and since the topic is about the violence in Syria with the above warning, it won't be rocket science not to expect scenes that you described.

If anyone feels it would affect them, then there is absolutely no need to click on the link as the post itself is self-explanatory.

Peyton Manning

I think it's quite clear that DarkJager supports the inhumane oppression of the innocent Syrian people and is doing his best to make sure what he would call their propaganda doesn't get media coverage. Shameful behaviour. Go oppress somewhere else.

partyatmygaff

cruiser178 wrote: »

All that said,how do you debate something like this that you havent seen with your own eyes,just not for this forum imo.

Where is it for then? Rotten.com or 4chan for the amusement of a few gore loving sociopaths?

How can you make people aware of the terrible injustices going on in the world by censoring them or carting them off to fringe sites?

DarkJager

Tom_Brady wrote: »

I think it's quite clear that DarkJager supports the inhumane oppression of the innocent Syrian people and is doing his best to make sure what he would call their propaganda doesn't get media coverage. Shameful behaviour. Go oppress somewhere else.

Don't you even try and make assumptions about me. Because I oppose a "faces of death" style video being linked here I support oppression against the Syrian people? Quite bluntly...go **** yourself.

foxinsox

Tom_Brady wrote: »

I think it's quite clear that DarkJager supports the inhumane oppression of the innocent Syrian people and is doing his best to make sure what he would call their propaganda doesn't get media coverage. Shameful behaviour. Go oppress somewhere else.

I think it's quite clear that that post/comment is totally uncalled for.



Has anyone any suggestions about anything that we could actually do to help the people in Syria?