Dole claimants who refuse offers of work will have payments cut

Overheal

slim1919 wrote: »

no i dont write cvs like that this is not a cv its a public board thanks for pointing out that i am **** at spelling like i did not all ready know that and insulting someone because of that fact is really childish

I am really doubtful he was having a go at you, just pointing out a fact. Good punctuation and grammar, like anything else, comes from practice. If you don't practice when you don't feel it's important then you'll never get very good at it, and at some point you may ruin your chance at a job because you missed something on your CV. Whether that something was a typo or just worded awkwardly. Writing is incredibly important for everyone, because it's usually the first mode of contact between you and a prospective employer.

slim1919

fair enough i will try and work on it

dan_d

kerash wrote: »

I've been on SW and i've had to join fas before applying for sw and been called in to show proof i'm looking for work - i.e bring along copies of jobs you've applied for. I know other people who've had to do the same.
Maybe because there are so many more people signing on now they arent as stringent. That was just my experience.
Hope you have some luck soon btw.

Hmm. Well, now you've supposedly to be on the dole 30 days before joining FAS now. Anyway, I've signed on with them ages ago. Had minimal contact to be honest - had one interview with them about what my "plans" are :rolleyes::rolleyes:...and that was it. They've said to me a few times they can't do anything for me, in that I've got qualifications, and there's not much else they can offer me - they basically left it at "you know where we are if you need anything". Nobody's come near me otherwise.

Thanks for your wishes btw:)

djpbarry

Clareboy wrote: »

The reality is that most unemployed people in their 50s are unemployable.

From Dec 2008 to Dec 2010, people in the 45-59 age bracket experienced the lowest % increase in unemployment compared to all other age groups, the largest increase being in the 15-24 age group. You might think you’re unemployable, but you have decades of experience, which puts you in a far, far better position than a recent school-leaver or graduate.

Clareboy wrote: »

Ageism is a big problem is this country and there is also a widespread anti male attitude among employers.

Anti-male attitude? Are you serious?

djpbarry

dan_d wrote: »

Hmm. Well, now you've supposedly to be on the dole 30 days before joining FAS now. Anyway, I've signed on with them ages ago. Had minimal contact to be honest - had one interview with them about what my "plans" are :rolleyes::rolleyes:...and that was it.

To be fair, there’s little FÁS can do for those who already have third-level qualifications – that’s not really what they’re there for.

dan_d

I know, but the system that's out there is a one-size-fits-all and you still get forced to go to FAS. It's a paper pushing exercise if ever I saw one. Nobody's willing to change or think about it either...it's just what they've always done so they'll keep doing it.:rolleyes:

Clareboy

djpbarry wrote: »

From Dec 2008 to Dec 2010, people in the 45-59 age bracket experienced the lowest % increase in unemployment compared to all other age groups, the largest increase being in the 15-24 age group. You might think you’re unemployable, but you have decades of experience, which puts you in a far, far better position than a recent school-leaver or graduate.
Anti-male attitude? Are you serious?

Irish employers have no interest in employing people with experience. They would rather take on young people or non Irish nationals who will work for small wages, will not demand their rights or stand up for themselves and will not start any trouble like joining a trade union or upsetting the apple cart.

Have a walk around your local town and look around any supermarket, shop, library, restaurant, bar or hotel. How many middle aged males will you see working in those establishments? Not many I would say!

later12

djpbarry wrote: »

To be fair, there’s little FÁS can do for those who already have third-level qualifications – that’s not really what they’re there for.

Gulp.

djpbarry

Clareboy wrote: »

Irish employers have no interest in employing people with experience. They would rather take on young people or non Irish nationals who will work for small wages...

So why is unemployment highest among young people?

Clareboy wrote: »

Have a walk around your local town and look around any supermarket, shop, library, restaurant, bar or hotel. How many middle aged males will you see working in those establishments? Not many I would say!

How many middle-aged males are actively seeking employment in such establishments (in junior roles)? Not many I would say.

Savage Opress

It seems that there is a lot of dislike and animosity for those people who are unemployed for a lengthy period of time.
I wonder, of the people who have posted negative comments towards the unemployed,how many of you know what it is actually like to be out of work for a lengthy period of time

I was working in the construction industry for many years,in England and Ireland (i returned during the Celtic tiger boom).

I have tried and tried to find work,after 7 months growing more and more depressed about being unemployed,I applied for and completed a 2 year diploma course in IT studies,I vividly remember walking up to collect my diploma(with a whole bunch of distinctions,i might add ),i felt like king Kong,i had a new direction,new hope,i had a purpose,there was meaning to my life again,sorry if that sounds corny.

After the course it was back on the dole,i told myself,this is only short term,with my new qualifications I'll find work in no time at all,what a fool i was,I've been for the interviews,I've had that "up and down" look you get when you walk into the interview room before you are interviewed by someone who is going to make damn sure he or she is not going to hire someone who may take their job in five years.

How many rejections and refusals does it take before you throw in the towel and go through the "whats the f**king point" stage until you get your third,fourth or even fifth wind and try to pull yourself out of this socially debilitating situation AGAIN.

To those people who posts negative and sometimes hateful comments about he long term unemployed i say this... Count yourselves damn lucky to be working and pray you never know what "this"feels like.
With the European and world economies being the way the are,you may be one of us sooner than you think.

To the civil servants out there, who abuse the power that comes with your job to inflict unnecessary suffering on those who are already suffering,you will be remembered, and the favour will be returned in kind.

To the miserable fraction of a man who interviewed me two weeks ago,i say,i am everything you are not and never will be,and hopefully i will see YOU standing in a dole queue someday soon.

Here's a quote for all those long term unemployed.

Until you are broken, you
don't know what you are made of.
Fall, but Rise. Break, but never crumble. True strength.

murraykil

Savage Opress wrote: »

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I have tried and tried to find work,after 7 months growing more and more depressed about being unemployed,I applied for and completed a 2 year diploma course in IT studies,I vividly remember walking up to collect my diploma(with a whole bunch of distinctions,i might add ),i felt like king Kong,i had a new direction,new hope,i had a purpose,there was meaning to my life again,sorry if that sounds corny.

After the course it was back on the dole,i told myself,this is only short term,with my new qualifications I'll find work in no time at all,what a fool i was,I've been for the interviews,I've had that "up and down" look you get when you walk into the interview room before you are interviewed by someone who is going to make damn sure he or she is not going to hire someone who may take their job in five years.

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To the miserable fraction of a man who interviewed me two weeks ago,i say,i am everything you are not and never will be,and hopefully i will see YOU standing in a dole queue someday soon.

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It can be very hard to get a job in IT without a degree and work experience. If you really want to continue with a career in IT you should do at least one more year, and preferably two more for an honours degree. It would also be a good idea to choose a course with a work placement element.

It's very unlikely that anyone interviewing you is in fear of you replacing them in 5 years; it's much more likely that they will want to have further progressed themselves in 5 years and that you will have reached their level.

Good luck.

djpbarry

Savage Opress wrote: »

...I've had that "up and down" look you get when you walk into the interview room before you are interviewed by someone who is going to make damn sure he or she is not going to hire someone who may take their job in five years.

Rest assured that a recruiter with that kind of an attitude is not going to last very long in their position.

Savage Opress wrote: »

How many rejections and refusals does it take before you throw in the towel and go through the "whats the f**king point" stage until you get your third,fourth or even fifth wind and try to pull yourself out of this socially debilitating situation AGAIN.

You’ve answered your own question there – you have to keep going. I was unemployed for a while after graduating from university and I was pretty depressed about it. I remember when it became clear that I was going to struggle to find a job related to my degree, I decided I needed to try and find something just to keep me ticking over. I remember going back to two of the Dunnes Stores branches I had previously worked in (which involved swallowing a lot of pride) only to be told they had no positions free that summer – I don’t think I’ve ever been so depressed and I was certainly questioning why I had bothered spending four years getting a degree.

But, I soldiered on. Because I had to. A few months later I got a minimum wage job temping in offices and about 18 months after that, I managed to get a job I actually wanted to do. I haven’t looked back since.

Now, please stop assuming that anyone who criticises long-term unemployed people has never been unemployed themselves. Secondly, the criticism is aimed not at you, but at those who are quite happy to sit on benefits for the rest of their lives. I know of people who haven’t worked for years and have never made any attempt whatsoever to get themselves back into the labour force – as far as they’re concerned, they’re entitled to claim welfare indefinitely until a well-paid job lands in their lap. Those people are deserving of every bit of scorn and criticism that comes their way.

EDIT: I should have finished by saying good luck with your job search. Don't give up - you'll get there eventually.

djpbarry

murraykil wrote: »

It can be very hard to get a job in IT without a degree and work experience. If you really want to continue with a career in IT you should do at least one more year, and preferably two more for an honours degree.

Not necessarily - employers want to see demonstrable skills and knowledge. Working on your own projects in your own time is a great way to do this.

murraykil

djpbarry wrote: »

Not necessarily - employers want to see demonstrable skills and knowledge. Working on your own projects in your own time is a great way to do this.

This is true but in companies where HR whittle down the cv's before passing them on to the tech guys for interview candidates there may be little chance to demonstrate skills.

However, mobiles apps are an ideal solution for the OP; it's a great way to work on his own and add an in demand skill to his cv.

Savage Opress

murraykil wrote: »

This is true but in companies where HR whittle down the cv's before passing them on to the tech guys for interview candidates there may be little chance to demonstrate skills.

However, mobiles apps are an ideal solution for the OP; it's a great way to work on his own and add an in demand skill to his cv.

Thats a coincidence,just saw a FAS course.. Mobile Technology and Android apps.
Could be interesting,any advice relating to this would be well appreciated

murraykil

I don't know about that course but I think it would be a great thing for you to do. I expect it would help your job prospects as just like companies needed a website years ago and web developers were in high demand, it's similar for mobile apps now. If nothing else, you can start making your own apps and hopefully start selling in the market place!