Taxi Driver Behaviour

Spook_ie

ripcord wrote: »

1. Absolutley incorrect. Being stuck in traffic does not give you any right to pick and chose which lane you use. You queue like everyone else.

2. Take the ROTR as gospel or guideline if you like. Either way, the route the taxi driver took was wrong. And I'm sorry, but your comment about doing what is "natural" regardless of the ROTR makes me nervous about meeting you on the road.

3. Most people (except you obviously) would only apply the clock when they GET to the roundabout! :rolleyes: It's obvious, when you GET to the roundabout, you apply the clock, the exit is at 12. God help you if your roundabout entrace was on a sharp corner.

4. :eek: Unbelievable. As a 'considerate' driver, you should stay in the LHL and allow time and space for the drivers to pull out infront of you! If you move to RHL, you add traffic to the people who are actually turning right!! SURELY you can see this???

5. I was getting weary at typing this stuff - but you made it into a joke about me following the ROTR!! :pac::pac: Now you are REALLY grasping for support for your view! Or have you finally run out of ideas and won't admit the taxi driver was wrong??

6. It's pretty simple. I follow the ROTR. You don't. You do whatever feels 'natural' first and then go to the ROTR if you're really stuck. That leg you're standing on is starting to buckle.

I am getting tired of explaining this to you over and over again. Maybe I should just give up on you. But you're providing good entertainment now. I look forward to your response!!

1 Wrong it is a requirement of passing your test to be able to make progress in a traffic enviroment, giving due care and attention to other road users and conditions

The following are the most common faults which
give rise to candidates failing the driving test:
• inadequate observation moving off, at junctions, at
roundabouts and when changing lanes
• failure to anticipate the actions of other drivers
• incorrect road position on the straight, on bends,
turning left, turning right, at roundabouts, and when
overtaking
• inadequate progress at junctions, roundabouts, on the
straight, and when overtaking
• incorrect, inadequate or inappropriate use of mirrors
and signals
• non-compliance with traffi c controls, e.g. road signs
and markings and traffi c lights
• incorrect inadequate or inappropriate use of vehicle
controls, including gears, clutch, accelerator, steering,
handbrake, footbrake, and secondary controls
• excessive speed for the road or traffi c conditions
• failure to yield the right of way to others
• lack of competence in the reverse and turnabout
manoeuvres

Indeed so far you would most likely have picked up fail points under at least three headings in a test situation

2. As stated until someone can find a SI relating to RABs then with the absence of signage and roadmarkings neither of you were right or wrong

3 As stated that was only put in for the pedants amongst us, generaly I would agree that the exit in question is 12, but technicaly it isn't

4 Given that there is no SI pertaining to RABs ( AFAIK ) then using either lane is permissable, and I would use the lane that gave more consideration to other road users.

5 As stated several times I venture an opinion that given the circumstances neither you or the taxi driver was in the wrong in their selection of an entry point to the RAB, where there was a conflict was in the two of you believing that you both had the right of way on the exit

6 People who blindly follow generalised direction documents are ( shall we say ) in need of a dose of common sense, generalised documents, because of there very generalisation, are of little use in real world situations, a simple question for you, in the event of a collision would the insurance company have paid out on
a Your Self
b The Taxi Driver
c Neither, they would have used a "knock for knock" settlement

Glad you, like myself, find a good argument as entertaining;)

ripcord

Spook_ie wrote: »

1 Wrong it is a requirement of passing your test to be able to make progress in a traffic enviroment, giving due care and attention to other road users and conditions



Indeed so far you would most likely have picked up fail points under at least three headings in a test situation

2. As stated until someone can find a SI relating to RABs then with the absence of signage and roadmarkings neither of you were right or wrong

3 As stated that was only put in for the pedants amongst us, generaly I would agree that the exit in question is 12, but technicaly it isn't

4 Given that there is no SI pertaining to RABs ( AFAIK ) then using either lane is permissable, and I would use the lane that gave more consideration to other road users.

5 As stated several times I venture an opinion that given the circumstances neither you or the taxi driver was in the wrong in their selection of an entry point to the RAB, where there was a conflict was in the two of you believing that you both had the right of way on the exit

6 People who blindly follow generalised direction documents are ( shall we say ) in need of a dose of common sense, generalised documents, because of there very generalisation, are of little use in real world situations, a simple question for you, in the event of a collision would the insurance company have paid out on
a Your Self
b The Taxi Driver
c Neither, they would have used a "knock for knock" settlement

Glad you, like myself, find a good argument as entertaining;)

1. Wrong again. None of that allows for selecting the wrong lane to ''progress". You would be essentially overtaking the other cars in the LHL that are going in the same direction as you. Not good on a roundabout. In fact - if the tester said go straight ahead, and you used the RHL, they would mark against you immediatley for being in the wrong lane! :pac:

2. I was right. He was wrong. I'm 100% sure about that, as is most people here. You seem to have issue with it. All the other stuff you tried to back this up with failed. Is the legislatation your last resort?? I haven't got the time or inclination to look through all that legal stuff. But you obviously do... so fire away if it makes you happy!

3. "Technically it isn't"??? Are you blind?? Can you see the picture I posted?? Its EXACTLY 12 o'clock. And now you agree, but didn't before? Jesus wept...

4. You seem to have no grasp of this at all. I'll say it again. Read carefully. If you wanted to be curteous to those coming out of the petrol station, you should slow down in the LHL, and allow them time and space to move out in front of you. Moving into the RHL is causing more traffic to those actually going right. Please tell me you understand that now?? That's the second time i've explained it to you.

5. Yes, both of us believed we were in the correct lane. Your point being? I was the one in the correct lane. Therefore I was right, he was wrong. Pretty simple.

6. Now your saying the ROTR is a "generalised direction document". Brilliant. :rolleyes: I'd love to see you adderess a judge with that! I do use common sense, but I also use the ROTR, because, well, the are the "rules", hence the name. I really hope I don't meet you on the road.

Spook_ie

First of all an apology if this post throws off any subsequent replies to the previous post

A question, did the taxi driver commit an indictable traffic offence by approaching the RAB in the RHL and leaving at the exit he did, if so then I'll admit I'm wrong if not then the case is proven that neither driver was in error in their belief that they were " in the right lane "

tayto lover

Has anyone been on the Ballymascanlon Roundabout north of Dundalk (Old Belfast Road) where there are numerous exits (6 i think). You cannot see the exits as you approach because of a high grass, raised centre. The sign as you approach from Dundalk Inner Relief Road shows the layout with exits but it is quite easy to cut off motorists taking the Motorway (Exit 1) or Newry (Exit 2) if you stay in the left-hand lane to go for 12 o'clock i.e. Ravensdale (Exit 3). I believe there has been many crashes on it. The best rule for this roundabout is the "old rule" of left-hand lane for first two exits and right-hand lane for the others as its simpler and more straight-forward.

ripcord

Spook_ie wrote: »

First of all an apology if this post throws off any subsequent replies to the previous post

A question, did the taxi driver commit an indictable traffic offence by approaching the RAB in the RHL and leaving at the exit he did, if so then I'll admit I'm wrong if not then the case is proven that neither driver was in error in their belief that they were " in the right lane "

Maybe soemone here has the know-how to go into the legal aspect of it. I certainly don't.

I would imagine if a guard was following him, and he nearly caused an accident, we would be done for dangerous driving. Part of that would be the judge seeing that he broke the rules of the road.

But why do you have to bring it that far?? Can you not accept that he was in the wrong lane because the rules of the road?

Spook_ie

ripcord wrote: »

Maybe soemone here has the know-how to go into the legal aspect of it. I certainly don't.

I would imagine if a guard was following him, and he nearly caused an accident, we would be done for dangerous driving. Part of that would be the judge seeing that he broke the rules of the road.

But why do you have to bring it that far?? Can you not accept that he was in the wrong lane because the rules of the road?

No I can't because of the simple fact that if he didn't commit an indictable traffic offence by approaching in the RHL and leaving at that exit then he wasn't in the wrong


I assume that the bolded bit is a typo or maybe a freudian slip ( seeing as the H and W are so far apart )

BostonB

tayto lover wrote: »

Has anyone been on the Ballymascanlon Roundabout north of Dundalk (Old Belfast Road) where there are numerous exits (6 i think). You cannot see the exits as you approach because of a high grass, raised centre. The sign as you approach from Dundalk Inner Relief Road shows the layout with exits but it is quite easy to cut off motorists taking the Motorway (Exit 1) or Newry (Exit 2) if you stay in the left-hand lane to go for 12 o'clock i.e. Ravensdale (Exit 3). I believe there has been many crashes on it. The best rule for this roundabout is the "old rule" of left-hand lane for first two exits and right-hand lane for the others as its simpler and more straight-forward.

I could be wrong, but I thought the old rule was always exit from the left lane, and if in the left lane, you have to take the next exit. Right lane is only for people not taking the exit. I'm open to correction. Been a long time since I did a test.

My rule is don't hit anything. Give way to any erratic/high risk vehicles. After that I'll follow the "latest" guidelines as best I can.

Many trucks, buses can't follow the lane markings on these "too small" roundabouts. Taxis'es can't follow any road markings, signals or laws. Taxi's drive according to Brownian motion, so qualify as high risk on that alone.

Spook_ie

BostonB wrote: »

I could be wrong, but I thought the old rule was always exit from the left lane, and if in the left lane, you have to take the next exit. Right lane is only for people not taking the exit. I'm open to correction. Been a long time since I did a test.

My rule is don't hit anything. Give way to any erratic/high risk vehicles. After that I'll follow the "latest" guidelines as best I can.

Many trucks, buses can't follow the lane markings on these "too small" roundabouts. Taxis'es can't follow any road markings, signals or laws. Taxi's drive according to Brownian motion, so qualify as high risk on that alone.

Now now, calm down dear, that is true of a lot of road users not just taxi drivers

Spook_ie

BostonB wrote: »

http://www.dewsburydrivingschool.hostoi.com/index.php?p=2_14

ripcord wrote: »

That's great! The colorful drawings make it easy to follow. Where were you Boston 20 posts ago!! :D

This should help those on here who still can't get their heads around it..

Spook_ie wrote: »

Yeah rely on the English

from the uk highway code

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338

186

Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

* signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
* keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

* signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
* keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

* select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
* you should not normally need to signal on approach
* stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
* signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.
187

BostonB

Spook_ie wrote: »

Now now, calm down dear, that is true of a lot of road users not just taxi drivers

LOL, Yes but not every road user has a BostonB shape in the bonnet....

ripcord

Spook_ie wrote: »

from the uk highway code

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338

Why are you showing the english rules?? The description of the roundabouts given in the website BostonB mentioned matched our rules perfectly. Don't muddle things...

ripcord

Spook,

There has been some bashing of taxi drivers on here, and its probably the main reason you are keeping this going. Even while most people agreed the taxi driver was wrong, you continue to support him. Of course that is your choice. However, anyone reading this thread can see how desperate your arguments are becoming.(Post numbers in brackets)

• You inferred I was agressive and 'road raging' (54) - you were wrong.
• You demanded a picture of the roundabout (52) - it was given
• Even with that, you claimed the exit was at 1'clock (69) - I posted another picture with a line to show it was 12.
• Then you claimed you can switch lanes if there is traffic in the LHL (75) - you cannot
• Then you claimed the RHL would be the curteous thing to do (75) - I explained how this was incorrect - twice
• Someone posted a helpful website that matched our system (87) - you tried to dismiss it because it was english
• Then you tried to say someone doing the test would get marks for sitting behind cars in the LHL (93) - Testers know the rules of the road. If you were in the RHL, you would get a mark.

Given that you have failed in all of the above, you have now resorted to claiming the driver is in the wrong ONLY if he commits an indictable offence. This is, frankly, stupid. You have pulled this out of nowhere. You probably feel comfortable in this, considering you have already searched the SIs. This seems to be your last ditch effort to exhonorate the taxi driver who nearly crashed into me by driving incorrectly.

Incidently, you have not come across as a very good driver. You claimed to take the "natural" approach regardless of the ROTR(69). You have a hard time judging angles and clock times(82). And most worrying, you regard the ROTR as a "generalised direction document"(92). Ironically, if you actually ARE a taxi driver, your comments have done more harm than good - adding to the stereotype that taxi drivers are poor motorists.

However, I can't take this any further. I don't have the legal skills, and I don't have time to look into it (not this weekend). I believe if the taxi driver caused an accident, he could be done for dangerous driving, given the manouver he made. Maybe others could comment on that. Hopefully someone more knowledgable in legal will keep the indictment issue going

That's it from me.
Ripcord.

Victor

Can people tone things down a little? Discuss the topic at hand and none of the jibes, please.

Spook_ie

ripcord wrote: »

Spook,

There has been some bashing of taxi drivers on here, and its probably the main reason you are keeping this going. Even while most people agreed the taxi driver was wrong, you continue to support him. Of course that is your choice. However, anyone reading this thread can see how desperate your arguments are becoming.(Post numbers in brackets)

• You inferred I was agressive and 'road raging' (54) - you were wrong.
• You demanded a picture of the roundabout (52) - it was given
• Even with that, you claimed the exit was at 1'clock (69) - I posted another picture with a line to show it was 12.
• Then you claimed you can switch lanes if there is traffic in the LHL (75) - you cannot
• Then you claimed the RHL would be the curteous thing to do (75) - I explained how this was incorrect - twice
• Someone posted a helpful website that matched our system (87) - you tried to dismiss it because it was english
• Then you tried to say someone doing the test would get marks for sitting behind cars in the LHL (93) - Testers know the rules of the road. If you were in the RHL, you would get a mark.

Given that you have failed in all of the above, you have now resorted to claiming the driver is in the wrong ONLY if he commits an indictable offence. This is, frankly, stupid. You have pulled this out of nowhere. You probably feel comfortable in this, considering you have already searched the SIs. This seems to be your last ditch effort to exhonorate the taxi driver who nearly crashed into me by driving incorrectly.

Incidently, you have not come across as a very good driver. You claimed to take the "natural" approach regardless of the ROTR(69). You have a hard time judging angles and clock times(82). And most worrying, you regard the ROTR as a "generalised direction document"(92). Ironically, if you actually ARE a taxi driver, your comments have done more harm than good - adding to the stereotype that taxi drivers are poor motorists.

However, I can't take this any further. I don't have the legal skills, and I don't have time to look into it (not this weekend). I believe if the taxi driver caused an accident, he could be done for dangerous driving, given the manouver he made. Maybe others could comment on that. Hopefully someone more knowledgable in legal will keep the indictment issue going

That's it from me.
Ripcord.

No the main reason I'm going on is because of your claim that you were 100% in the right, seldom in life is anything 100%, especialy when driving, but

Post 54 Was basicly a thankyou to the previous poster for putting yet another request to you to produce the location, I would apologise for not snipping the post down if I thought an apology was merited, your assumption that the post was anything other than an agreement that you should post the RAB location doesn't merit such an action.

Post 52 Yes and as such I thank you for eventualy realising that you cannot cast disparaging remarks on other drivers without at least having the bare minimum of eveidence being posted to support your assertions.

Post 69 I would have thought the remark " for all the pedants out there " would be self explanatory, however, for further clarification refer to the map, if you were planning the route from the map the RAB exit would be at 1.00, therefore if you were preparing for a journey you would probably approach that RAB as you would expect it to be on the map

Post 75 Yes you can, there is AFAIK no SI that prohibits you from approaching in the RHL, you cite the RoR and I state that without the requisite SI to back them up then they are guidelines NOT rules

Post 75 (again) I refer my learned friend to the previous answer

Post 87 Yes and I also dismissed the web sites advice by citing the relevent section of the UKs Highway Code, which I believe does have a standing in law as charges are (or were when I was in the UK ) often laid with the terminology " In contravention of Highway Code section xx "

Testers may well know the rules of the road, but in the absence of any tester coming on here (so far ) to verify which would be the greater fail, we'll have to leave that one to lie fallow for the moment, however I would fully expect that if you were to arrive at that RAB on a test with the LHL chocablock with traffic and you sat there for 10 mins the examiner would probably curtail the test early with a fail

Now your final argument, if someone is driving and not commiting a traffic offence then they cannot be deemed to be driving incorrectly, it's a simple rule of law you can't be guilty of an offence that you didn't commit. Now as I said before, and I believe this is the entire crux of the argument, if there is an SI pertaining to the approach of a RAB I've already said I will apologise but if there isn't one then the RoR HAS only the status of a guideline rather than a rule.

Some examples would be

Yellow Box Junctions ( infringements are enforcable by the issuing of a penalty ticket )

Red Traffic Lights ( infringements are enforcable by the issuing of a penalty ticket )

Road Markings such as a Stop line ( infringements are enforcable by the issuing of a penalty ticket )

All of these are listed in the RoR and they also have SIs that allow them to be enforced, do you see the difference yet?

dirtynosebeps

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong. next time it happens report to the guards and push for a proscectition, you might have to go to court. spookie can bring up all he wants but at the end of it all it was careless/ dangerous driving/ dangerous overtaking. these days taxi drivers are taking to many risks because they think they own the roads. as for the different replies i did say this earlier on in the thread

dirtynosebeps wrote: »

the good point about your thread is it shows the amount of people who dont know the rules of the road.

. and to my disappointment i've been proven right, worst of all by those that are supposed to be professional drivers. this thread would seem to open a big can of worms where the P.S.V. test is concerned. a learner driver would have more knowledge of the R.O.R. than most of these guys.

Spook_ie

dirtynosebeps wrote: »

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong. next time it happens report to the guards and push for a proscectition, you might have to go to court. spookie can bring up all he wants but at the end of it all it was careless/ dangerous driving/ dangerous overtaking. these days taxi drivers are taking to many risks because they think they own the roads. as for the different replies i did say this earlier on in the thread . and to my disappointment i've been proven right, worst of all by those that are supposed to be professional drivers. this thread would seem to open a big can of worms where the P.S.V. test is concerned. a learner driver would have more knowledge of the R.O.R. than most of these guys.

So another one who fails to grasp the point of when a rule is not a rule but an advisory, succintness is lost on you. I'm not saying either driver was right or wrong, I AM SAYING that the OPs opinion that he was 100% right and the taxi driver was 100% wrong is flawed because of the lack of an enforcable " rule ". If the RAB in question had correct/some lane markings/signage then yes one or the other would have erred in their judgement. As it was, because of the lack of lane markings/signage the situation is at best ambiguous leading to a clash of decisions.

In the event of a collision at the exit, I dare say the taxi driver may well have been in the wrong because changing lanes for the exit requires you to ensure that it is safe to do so but there would also be an onus on the OP to allow for people changing lanes, not having been a witness to the incident, it wouldn't be fair to try and apportion blame either way.

As to

at the end of the day your not going to win or get a taxi driver to admit one of their own was wrong.

You sir are in the wrong that I would protect one of my own, indeed the more taxidrivers put off the road for lack of driving skills the better for me, I would have followed the same tack if it was any other driver, " Rules are enforcible, guidelines are not "

Spook_ie

Noting the general way in which people seem to think that the RoR are gospel, I have found this reference to an actual LAW that pertains to RaBs, Don't know how upto date the web site is but I'll quote it for you anyway.

The provisions of the Road Traffic Acts and the Road Traffic (General) Bye- Laws 1964 apply to traffic on roundabouts in exactly the same way as to all roads. In summary these require motorists to drive in a manner which takes account of the prevailing conditions, at a safe speed and having regard to lane discipline. The specific rule relating to roundabouts contained in Bye-Law 21 of the Road Traffic (General) Bye-Laws, 1964 requires that "a driver shall enter a roundabout by turning to the left".
The following should also be noted carefully:
You should:

• Treat the roundabout as a normal junction which means you yield right of way to traffic approaching on the roundabout.
• IF LEAVING BY THE FIRST EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the left-hand lane signalling a left turn and proceed to leave the roundabout at that exit.
• IF LEAVING BY THE SECOND EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the left-hand lane but do not signal until you have passed the first exit, then signal a left turn and leave at the next exit.
• IF LEAVING BY ANY SUBSEQUENT EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the right hand lane signalling a right turn. Keep in the right hand lane (i.e. the lane next to the centre). As you pass the exit before the one you intend to leave by, signal a left turn and, when your way is clear, move to the other lane and leave at the desired exit.

Remember that signals are merely indications of intent. They do not confer right of way. When in doubt, play safe - YIELD.

http://www.lireland.com/theory/roundabouts.htm

Spook_ie

Yet another factor, turned up by research.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/pdf-downloads/english/rules-of-the-road eng.pdf

Scroll to page 8

Introduction
The rules of the road are for all road users – drivers, pedestrians, motorcyclists,horse riders and cyclists. You must have a satisfactory knowledge of these rules to get a driving licence, but learning about road safety doesn’t stop once you pass a driving test. It takes a lifetime. You need to constantly update your skills and knowledge and be aware of changes to road traffic laws. This is why you should understand and obey these rules whether you are learning to drive or have been driving for many years.

This book uses a ‘how to’ approach and covers many of the manoeuvres
identified as factors in a road crash. It uses three methods to set down clearly and concisely how the law applies to all road users.
It uses must and must not to draw attention to behaviour the law clearly demands or forbids.

It uses terms such as should and should not to tell you how best to act in
a situation where no legal rule is in place. It illustrates and describes traffic lights, road markings and signs provided to regulate traffic.

By knowing the rules of the road, practising good driving skills and generally
taking care as a road user, you will help to play a vital role in preventing a crash. You will also be making road safety policies more effective.

A number of skills are expected of road users, especially drivers:
the ability to act responsibly,
the ability to foresee and react to hazards,
good concentration, and
a good level of driving expertise.
8
Údarás Um Shábháilteacht Ar Bhóithre
Road Safety Authority

Then scroll to pages 107-111 and read them, how many of the bits of advice have the Must/Must Not highlight?

So from the RSA themselves the recommendations for use of approach roads at RaBs are just that, recommendations NOT law

tayto lover

I actually rang the Garda Traffic Corps in Kells to find out about roundabouts.
You can stay in the RHL if taking the 3rd or subsequent exit.
They said that the RSA are only recommending that you can stay in the LHR for the 3rd exit if its at 12 o'clock. That is not a law.

So both the taxi driver and the OP were correct in their driving but not in their subsequent behaviour.

Spook_ie

Additionaly found this gem......:)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67387678&postcount=103

Perhaps he was a Mayo taxi driver!!!

foggy_lad

cuppa wrote: »

Thanks for that, because I probably would have drove the same as the Taxi, going on the old rule, when did they change this, It was back in 87 i did my test . And i don't really watch TV especially adverts.

Sometimes the main road is not at 12 o'clock or straight on ,what do you do then, do you use right or left lane, just wondering.

• IF LEAVING BY ANY SUBSEQUENT EXIT approach and enter the roundabout in the right hand lane signalling a right turn. Keep in the right hand lane (i.e. the lane next to the centre). As you pass the exit before the one you intend to leave by, signal a left turn and, when your way is clear, move to the other lane and leave at the desired exit.

Afaik when you enter a roundabout from the right hand lane you can switch to the outside lane at any time when it is safe to do so and after signalling and checking your way is clear.

It is very clear the taxi driver the op describes did not check if there was anyone in the outside lane of the roundabout before he decided to exit by veering across it.

Spook_ie

foggy_lad wrote: »

Afaik when you enter a roundabout from the right hand lane you can switch to the outside lane at any time when it is safe to do so and after signalling and checking your way is clear.

It is very clear the taxi driver the op describes did not check if there was anyone in the outside lane of the roundabout before he decided to exit by veering across it.

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

DWCommuter

Spook_ie wrote: »

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

You are some spin doctor!

foggy_lad

Spook_ie wrote: »

Wouldn't disagree with that, only disagreement is with the OP's statement that he was 100% in the right using the LHL and the taxi driver was 100% wrong in using the RHL on the approach to the RaB

The taxi was 110% in the wrong for exiting the roundabout regardless of what you believe or your opinions on his driving, and he further showed himself up as a thug and possible scumbag by blocking the traffic including the op who he proceeded to intimidate and abuse.

Spook_ie

foggy_lad wrote: »

The taxi was 110% in the wrong for exiting the roundabout regardless of what you believe or your opinions on his driving, and he further showed himself up as a thug and possible scumbag by blocking the traffic including the op who he proceeded to intimidate and abuse.

Never disagreed with that either, fail to see the reason for your post

As stated several times, and I'll state it again, the behaviour of the taxi driver after leaving the RaB is not in dispute, I am disputing the right of anyone to say they were 100% in the right when there is no legal backing to chastise a driver (taxi or not) for approaching a RaB in the RHL

Spook_ie

DWCommuter wrote: »

You are some spin doctor!

There's no spin on it, it's merely a statement of fact, do you have some facts to back up your statement that I'm a spin doctor?

-Chris-

I think that's enough tbh.