Do women have any manners?

Homer

I held the door open for a pretty lady before..
"After you" I said..
"thanks" she said..
I don't think she understood.. I'm actually after her

cute_cow

I always make sure and say thank you if someone holds a door for me. And would expect nothing less when I hold doors open for people. And if they say nothing, I always add a sarcastic "your welcome".

Sometimes waiting on a train, as I get to the door to get on and there is a guy there (its never a girl funnily enough) and he lets me get on first, I always say thank you.

Anytime I am in a shop, I always say hello and please and thanks. Its just common courtesy (sp?) and I do agree to an extend with the OP. People are so wrapped up in themselves, they notice no one else.

Manners cost nothing, use the fcuking things

Wibbs

I meus either be utterly gorge or look like a serial killer cos I nearly always get a thanks or a smile. In any event I don't look for thanks. With manners I do it for me.

pragmatic1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztd8Z1qbJ0c

Not a million miles away from some truth I reckon. EDIT NOT the title :eek: Certainly in arguments, even with mates, women more than men can say the most appallingly personal stuff in the heat of it. Men won't to nearly the same degree and I do think it's the subconscious thing of "if fists fly I'll get damaged, its just a question of by how much, so lets' dial it the fook back", so men are usually much more reserved and in control at such moments. Men tend to look down on other men who are less in control at such times. I reckon this makes men more "polite" on the surface. I would also say and this is just my personal experience, more women than men are at the extreme end of self involved/focused. Which also comes across as rude(and usually is).

beano345

there's two ways i look at it.you either hold the door open and recieve a thanks which is nice or you recieve no thanks.either way i would'nt let a stranger ruin my day thinking about it because of their ignorance.its their issue that goes for men/women/child/beast.

walshb

Well, Amy Huberman apears to lack any manners.

Just reading that she will attend the wedding tomorrow.

Some neck on her.

stupidusername

walshb wrote: »

Well, Amy Huberman apears to lack any manners.

Just reading that she will attend the wedding tomorrow.

Some neck on her.

who's doing what now

walshb

stupidusername wrote: »

who's doing what now

Amy

Earthhorse

Man, it really is an insight into people's minds when these threads come up. There's obviously a certain percentage of the population who only ever do anything for an ulterior motive and assume everyone else must be doing the same. They wouldn't possibly hold a door open for an unattractive girl or thank an unattractive man. What would be in it for them?

Dudess wrote: »

In my personal experience, it is women who are more likely to be rude than men when a stranger offers them a nice gesture (driving especially) yes, but that doesn't make the following comments, and accompanying thanks, any less sh1tty.

I thanked donfers' post because I found it funny.

Alter-Ego

walshb wrote: »

Well, Amy Huberman apears to lack any manners.

Just reading that she will attend the wedding tomorrow.

Some neck on her.

Had to google her. Is she notorious for being rude to door openers or something like that?

Standman

brokenhinge wrote: »

I've always believed that the middle aged women group in society has the rudest people, with the just past middle aged women group is one of the politest.

Judging from my experience in retail I would definitely agree with this. Seems to be a rather prevalent air of self-righteousness with many of the middle aged mammy types. One thing I've never understood is why many middle aged women seem to have some aversion to filling their own cars with fuel, surely they have learned to do many intricate things in their life, but when it comes to filling their cars they feel the need to call me away from a busy checkout to do it for them. I guess it's still seen as a mans job to many.

Vinta81

I've held the door open for many a man in college...to check out their bum.

Alter-Ego

true-or-false wrote: »

I'm a woman yeah, but I always say thanks.

Warning - angry female response:
I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about this though. I had acne up til a year ago. Up til then, I'd rarely get a door left open for me after someone went through it, I'm not talking full on door opening, just that extra push that makes it easier for the next person to get it. I'd do this for anyone behind me, and would say thank you if it ever happened to me.

Then lo and behold, I get rid of my acne, and now I get doors opened for me sometimes. I always say thanks but I secretly resent it a bit because I know that if I still had acne the guy wouldn't have bothered. I'm 90% sure that when guys say stuff about women, they're only thinking of their experiences with women they thought were attractive. So to be honest I wish I was less polite, as when a guy opens a door for me I know he wouldn't have if I still had acne. I wish I had the guts to not say thank you, and be really rude instead, cos it really pisses me off.

Personally I don't discriminate against people based on looks in that situation. Pizza face minger or drop dead gorgeous, I'll still be a gent.

steddyeddy

Earthhorse wrote: »

Man, it really is an insight into people's minds when these threads come up. There's obviously a certain percentage of the population who only ever do anything for an ulterior motive and assume everyone else must be doing the same. They wouldn't possibly hold a door open for an unattractive girl or thank an unattractive man. What would be in it for them?



I thanked donfers' post because I found it funny.

I dont think expecting a person to have the basic humanity in response to a kind gesture counts as an "ulterior motive".

Earthhorse

steddyeddy wrote: »

I dont think expecting a person to have the basic humanity in response to a kind gesture counts as an "ulterior motive".

You've misread my post. I'm talking about people who would only say thank you or hold the door open because the person's good looking. They have an ulterior motive, not people who simply expect people to be polite.

steddyeddy

Earthhorse wrote: »

You've misread my post. I'm talking about people who would only say thank you or hold the door open because the person's good looking. They have an ulterior motive, not people who simply expect people to be polite.

Ah apologies then! I agree that is bad surely people would hold the door open for people who most need it not the elderly or infirm.

Morlar

I know it's a massive generalisation but I think there is some truth to this. Men know if you are rude to another man there is a chance he will box you in the head. Generally men (who do not know each other) are standoffishly polite with each other in random everyday social situations. Unless one of the parties are looking for trouble. Women operate on a completely different level, too many of them float around with the attitude of 'you probably want to **** me' so I can be as rude as I want.

Cosimo Salvatore

Ok this sounds a bit crazy, but after reading through this thread, I have come to the simple conclusion that the catholic church is to blame for the lack of manners in our women.

Kevin Duffy

This thread is brilliant! All those women who were hiding behind gender-neutral usernames are outing themselves as women!

Now, I just need a series of cleverly worded, subtle thread titles....."Are you hot?", "Are you single?" and "Are you receptive to unsolicited PM's?" should do it!

Thanks OP!

haydar

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

This thread is brilliant! All those women who were hiding behind gender-neutral usernames are outing themselves as women!

Now, I just need a series of cleverly worded, subtle thread titles....."Are you hot?", "Are you single?" and "Are you receptive to unsolicited PM's?" should do it!

Thanks OP!

That was my plan all along;)

Fulton Crown

chiefbrody1974 wrote: »

question???

If after the first 3 girls didnt acknowledge or say thanks, why didnt you just let go of the door and let the 4th girl hold it??? or sometimes I just look at them and say "YOUR welcome"!!!! gotta say though, its nothing to do with them being irish, just rude girls full stop. could happen if they were any other nationality, rudeness is universal and doesn't descriminate.

Much too polite pal....no wonder you are ignored !

Good belt in the snatch with a heavy loafer.....always gets their attention...:D

stupidusername

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

This thread is brilliant! All those women who were hiding behind gender-neutral usernames are outing themselves.

Like who?

Kevin Duffy

stupidusername wrote: »

Like who?

Don't worry, don't worry, you're on the list.

--Kaiser--

There're a lot of doors in my workplace and I'm constantly holding doors open for people (regardless of sex, colour, creed or cup size). In my experience about 100% of guys say thank you and about 90% of girls do so.

While driving, however, I've found that about 60% of women will not salute you/flash their hazards when you you let them out at junctions, whilst probably 90% of men will give some sort of indication of thanks.

It is with ATMs that I find the starkest difference in the genders as regards manners though. Women will often spends 5 mins at an ATM (fumbling through a bag, using several cards etc..) seemingly oblivious to the queue behind them and men rarely spend longer than a minute.

imitation

Maybe the OP is one of those evil types who holds the door open for people when there a good minutes walk from it and the person walking to the door is made feel like an asshole unless they rush up to let the person holding the door go on about there business !

benzie

YES

Dangerous Man

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

There're a lot of doors in my workplace and I'm constantly holding doors open for people (regardless of sex, colour, creed or cup size). In my experience about 100% of guys say thank you and about 90% of girls do so.

While driving, however, I've found that about 60% of women will not salute you/flash their hazards when you you let them out at junctions, whilst probably 90% of men will give some sort of indication of thanks.

It is with ATMs that I find the starkest difference in the genders as regards manners though. Women will often spends 5 mins at an ATM (fumbling through a bag, using several cards etc..) seemingly oblivious to the queue behind them and men rarely spend longer than a minute.

So true it's... very true indeed. I remember one day I was standing behind this woman at an ATM for easily a full five minutes. There wasn't a different ATM close by so heading off for another one wasn't an option. I have to admit - I'm baffled by this - what the hell are they doing?

As to the original post, I hate to say it but there is some truth, in my experience, to the claim that Irish women lack manners. What I find is that it's some sort of defence mechanism which they use to prevent a perceived unwanted interaction. Which is in itself quite rude but doubly so when you consider the arrogant assumption behind it.

I open doors for both sexes by the way.

whiteonion

I have made it into a point not helping out women at all. If I see a woman at the airport with a bag that is to heavy for her to get off the baggage belt I will not volunteer to help her. If you can't carry it, don't pack it.

I do not keep doors open for women or men. I believe in equality and I would never ever purchase drinks and the like for women. As I said I believe in equality specially if it benefits my wallet.

Kevin Duffy

whiteonion wrote: »

I have made it into a point not helping out women at all. I have no manners, I am lazy and mean spirited. I invent spurious arguments to justify my behaviour.

I do not keep doors open for women or men. I believe in equality and I would never ever purchase drinks and the like for women. As I said I believe in equality specially if it benefits my wallet. I have no manners. I am mean and don't stand my round. I don't understand why people in the pub don't like me. Why don't people like me?

FYP

Wolfe Tone

lol @ men only holding doors open for attractive women...

So what are you saying lads are like "wow if I hold this door open I'l get the ride!"

wild_cat

I will always say cheers or "and the say chivalrys dead".

Standman

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

FYP

That's a bit petty no? Just because you wont drop everything to help a woman you're lazy and self centred? Bullcrap imo

Kevin Duffy

Standman wrote: »

That's a bit petty no? Just because you wont drop everything to help a woman you're lazy and self centred? Bullcrap imo

Who said anything about dropping everything? Costs no effort to take a few seconds to reach and pick a bag up for someone who can't quite manage it themselves.

Grace16

Well I'm a girl and if a door is held open for me I always say thanks to whoever it was that opened it. Even just getting off the bus I always thank the bus driver and also in shops when they give me my things I say thanks. It all depends on what type of girl it is that you hold the door for...

whiteonion

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Who said anything about dropping everything? Costs no effort to take a few seconds to reach and pick a bag up for someone who can't quite manage it themselves.

I don't pack stuff that I can't carry. I have learned that you cannot rely upon the kindness of strangers. Women should learn this lesson also.

staker

When I read threads like this and remember back to a holiday I had in the Far East and Japan,where manners and courtesy are paramount in both sexes, I genuinely despair for what we western societies have become.

Is it too much to ask to hold a fcukin door open for our fellow man and not expect anything in return?

Kevin Duffy

whiteonion wrote: »

I don't pack stuff that I can't carry. I have learned that you cannot rely upon the kindness of strangers. Women should learn this lesson also.

Some people are physicaly less able than me. My luggage weighs as much as theirs. Helping them is not an effort. Holding a door is not an effort, it is manners. I am a stranger to them and I will be kind. I have relied on the kindness of strangers many times, I am not disappointed if I don't get it, but I am delighted and grateful when I do. Over my life, I have learned that I can frequently rely on it.

L'prof

Recently I was standing back from a doorway to a shop to let a few people out when some absolute munter cut in in front of me!!! If I didn't get arrested for GBH that day, I guess I never will!

Yahew

staker wrote: »

When I read threads like this and remember back to a holiday I had in the Far East and Japan,where manners and courtesy are paramount in both sexes, I genuinely despair for what we western societies have become.

Is it too much to ask to hold a fcukin door open for our fellow man and not expect anything in return?

You started off well but lost the plot. Getting an acknowledgement from a fellow human being is not asking for much; one good turn - something which takes a bit of time - deserves a small curtesy in return. The lack of manners is the person going through the door without acknowledging the door being held, not the guy expecting the thanks.

This applies to professional door openers too. I haven't stayed in too many establishments with doormen, only when paid for by work, but whenever I have I always acknowledge them, a worded thanks, or a smile, or a nod.

And you know what - everybody does. The rich are generally trained on that since birth. Its the low bred slappers who wont acknowledge a fellow human being doing something for them.

I agree with the guy who says to say "You're welcome". Thats the ticket.

Fiii

Sweeping generalisation-tastic!
Some women have manners, some don't, same as men.

I'm female, and I ALWAYS say please and thank you. I will give someone a wave if they make a generous gesture while driving. I will hold doors open, offer my seat to someone who needs it, speak politely to someone I have to call up even if it is to complain.
I will smile and say thank you if someone is providing me with a service. I will have a friendly chat with someone if they talk to me in a bar/ club and not assume they are chatting me up/ want to get in my pants. I will smile at anyone who smiles at me (within reason ).
I am watching like a hawk when walking with an umbrella to make sure I am not poking anyone with it. I will say excuse me if I bump into someone (even if it was them who has bumped into me). If someone drops something near me, I will pick it up for them.

My parents taught me manners. Simples.

Kevin Duffy

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

This thread is brilliant! All those women who were hiding behind gender-neutral usernames are outing themselves as women!

Now, I just need a series of cleverly worded, subtle thread titles....."Are you hot?", "Are you single?" and "Are you receptive to unsolicited PM's?" should do it!

Thanks OP!

Are you saying you're a guy??!!

I thought you were a woman, and the whole "Kevin" thing was meant to be ironic. It was just too obvious to think you were a guy. Wow.

That said, did you not see the gender thread/poll that was around like a week ago?

staker

Yahew wrote: »

You started off well but lost the plot. Getting an acknowledgement from a fellow human being is not asking for much; one good turn - something which takes a bit of time - deserves a small curtesy in return. The lack of manners is the person going through the door without acknowledging the door being held, not the guy expecting the thanks.

This applies to professional door openers too. I haven't stayed in too many establishments with doormen, only when paid for by work, but whenever I have I always acknowledge them, a worded thanks, or a smile, or a nod.

And you know what - everybody does. The rich are generally trained on that since birth. Its the low bred slappers who wont acknowledge a fellow human being doing something for them.

I agree with the guy who says to say "You're welcome". Thats the ticket.

I hear exactly what you're saying, but I'm not holding the door in anticipation
of a thanks or nod.
I wouldn't get too hung up on a no show of goodwill,I know what I've done and can go about my business regardless.
Of course a smile or nod is always welcome,what I'm saying is I don't let others' shortcomings in social behaviour upset mine,it's their loss and I'll continue holding the door open in the future.

Yahew

L'prof wrote: »

Recently I was standing back from a doorway to a shop to let a few people out when some absolute munter cut in in front of me!!! If I didn't get arrested for GBH that day, I guess I never will!

I have a theory as to why it is women, in general, who are rude.

i am about 6 ft. Standing in line in a shop a few months ago a guy- also 6 ft - stood in front of me, jumping the queue. The system is confusing. He was a muscled 6ft+ and tattooed. I said nothing ( not because of his size but because I generally dont), but he noticed the confusion by glancing behind and seeing a line, and asked if I wanted to go ahead. I said no, it was alright. Smiles.

Now, that place is confusing. Two lines converge. I remember this because one other time, at a later date, I see the same thing happen with two women about 5 ft max. Except they go at each other, verbal stuff. Then some physical. Handbags.

Thats why women can be rude. If men and my friend had that kind of argument, leanding to a physical fight, there would have been some major hurt. And, of course, a 6ft man is not going to fight a 5ft woman.

so men are less rude because the consequences of male rudeness are greater. Physical violence.

Kevin Duffy

true-or-false wrote: »

Are you saying you're a guy??!!

I thought you were a woman, and the whole "Kevin" thing was meant to be ironic. It was just too obvious to think you were a guy. Wow.

That said, did you not see the gender thread/poll that was around like a week ago?

You've rumbled me.

I did not see that gender thread/poll, but thank you, is has saved one of my planned threads for the masterplanperve :pac:

tony1kenobi

haydar wrote: »

Last night in work I held the door open for six women walking out the door. Not ONE even looked at me never mind said thanks and this is not the first time!

I never have this problem with men. Is it just me or do women just expect men to these kinds of things with no thanks?

Last night in work you held the door open for six women.....you are a doorman...that's your job.

PandyAndy

You crazy, OP. I held a door for a lady at work, although she was walking really slow so I quickly overtook her and got to the door first, pushed it open and as I passed through I gave it an extra push, as it's one of those doors on a spring hinge so it wouldn't close in her face. She said thanks, and I coolly but very briefly looked over my shoulder and said 'No bother'. I'm a fúckin gentleman.

no_bother

Yahew wrote: »

You started off well but lost the plot. Getting an acknowledgement from a fellow human being is not asking for much; one good turn - something which takes a bit of time - deserves a small curtesy in return. The lack of manners is the person going through the door without acknowledging the door being held, not the guy expecting the thanks.

This applies to professional door openers too. I haven't stayed in too many establishments with doormen, only when paid for by work, but whenever I have I always acknowledge them, a worded thanks, or a smile, or a nod.

And you know what - everybody does. The rich are generally trained on that since birth. Its the low bred slappers who wont acknowledge a fellow human being doing something for them.

I agree with the guy who says to say "You're welcome". Thats the ticket.

I think your rich / as you say low bred - distinction is ill conceived - some people are rude - and some are not - i have personally not experienced this to be a wealth issue but rather a mother issue - some mothers insist on it - some do not and i absolutely salute the mothers who do - it is not easy.

vampire of kilmainham

haydar wrote: »

Last night in work I held the door open for six women walking out the door. Not ONE even looked at me never mind said thanks and this is not the first time!

I never have this problem with men. Is it just me or do women just expect men to these kinds of things with no thanks?

yes they do thats why i dont do it anymore and the last time i did only one womon thanked me with a smile and she was a black womon

montane

Middle-age women are the worst group of neurotic, self-obsessed people in society. They bemoan the loss of their only virtue which was youth and beauty. A simple gesture such as holding a door open for them stirs up feelings of irrational resentment and hatred toward men who no longer have sexual interest in them, effectively rendering them worthless. Holding a door open and expecting nothing in return is an alien concept to them which they are unable to process in their sick minds.

I believe they become more docile at the years go by through a combination of finding inner contentment and also advancing senility.

dr.bollocko

What a ridiculous thread.
You're genuinely asking if women have no manners.

Like all women?

Have you never observed them before in their natural habitat or something?

Well they do.
My mother taught me manners.
And she asked me to tell you to shut the hell up.