Time to Join the USA

Overheal

zenno wrote: »

you think it's bad now within the eu just imagine how bad things would get if we went with the u.s.a. that is if you fancy the idea of losing most of your human rights and become the slave of the century. americans have lost almost all their freedoms so why the hell would anyone want to go with the u.s.a ?. thats a nutjob idea.

I'm a little hazy, but perhaps you could remind me what human right I don't have, and who I am enslaved to?

Biggins

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Since we have gone into economic meltdown and dealing with political corruption, and being pushed about by are EU neighbors, would you be inclined to turn away from the EU and look at joining the USA. Would you be opposed to the idea or all for it???

Complete stupidity of an idea.

Join the USA, join England threads, etc?
For gods sake - are we seriously lacking in ideas and imagination that much!

Overheal

Biggins wrote: »

Complete stupidity of an idea.

Join the USA, join England threads, etc?
For gods sake - are we seriously lacking in ideas and imagination that much!

The way I see the people who come up with this crap are the ones who are mad that Ireland is not raking in the same mountains of EU funding that it was even a few years ago. So rawr, let's find another club that will give us free stuff. Basically. Gods forbid that Ireland, it's economy, and it's people, should ever be expected to stand up on it's own.

pbowenroe

poll should have a 'this question is retarded' option

iMax

Hawaii East FTW

zenno

Overheal wrote: »

I'm a little hazy, but perhaps you could remind me what human right I don't have, and who I am enslaved to?

you are enslaved from the fascist government that controls you and which has also taken away most of you're liberties, did you not know this or are you really residing in the united states of america ?. discontinuation of you're right to bare arms is on the agenda now as they will take that away from you as well soon. the land of the free my ass. well it used to be a long time ago but you americans allow your government to destroy all that the american forefathers worked so hard for, and also you allow the federal reserve (mafia} to rob you and every american blind.

why the fcuk would anyone in the EU want to change from the EU to the u.s.a boggles the mind. in a country were a disgruntled neighbour can call the police and have you arrested for terrorism and jailed without any proof of any kind if they so wish it, i mean comon what the fcuk brainwashing **** are they giving you people.

zenno

Biggins wrote: »

Complete stupidity of an idea.

Join the USA, join England threads, etc?
For gods sake - are we seriously lacking in ideas and imagination that much!

I think eveyone is lacking in ideas at this stage but op brought this up and america is a mess anyway. I'm just stunned at the poll regarding the people that would rather pick the u.s.a, nutjob that is, that country is slowly being destroyed from the inside out. next page who cares.

Biggins

zenno wrote: »

I think eveyone is lacking in ideas at this stage but op brought this up and america is a mess anyway. I'm just stunned at the poll regarding the people that would rather pick the u.s.a, nutjob that is, that country is slowly being destroyed from the inside out. next page who cares.

There is a lot of good ideas around - some are in the politics section alone, which come from good thinkers and are a good read - sadly a lot of ideas are being drowned out by the regurgitated same old crap dressed up and PR spun as something new by out of date established parties who are too set in their ways!

We need to move on from stupid ideas, old ideas and ideas that are being held back because bloody parties are afraid to rock the boat in fear that their own members might lose out financially (either in the Dail or outsides business interests - sometimes both!).

Krusader

We as a country should be choosing our own path and have the confidence and desire as a nation to do this, to set our goals as a society/civilisation in our own right and achieve those goals and not pander to London, Washington or Brussels which we have done since the foundation of the state

Overheal

zenno wrote: »

you are enslaved from the fascist government that controls you and which has also taken away most of you're liberties, did you not know this or are you really residing in the united states of america ?. discontinuation of you're right to bare arms is on the agenda now as they will take that away from you as well soon. the land of the free my ass. well it used to be a long time ago but you americans allow your government to destroy all that the american forefathers worked so hard for, and also you allow the federal reserve (mafia} to rob you and every american blind.

why the fcuk would anyone in the EU want to change from the EU to the u.s.a boggles the mind. in a country were a disgruntled neighbour can call the police and have you arrested for terrorism and jailed without any proof of any kind if they so wish it, i mean comon what the fcuk brainwashing **** are they giving you people.

I heard <fascism prattle> <Non-Geneva Gun Rights Issue> <ignorant forefather prattle> <Non-Geneva Taxation Issue> <prattle> <baseless terror prattle>

You tried to sound if you actually knew anything about Human Rights, the US Constitutional 2nd Ammendment, or the intent of the forefathers. Or Fascism, for that matter. Way, way off from the idea of Fascism there. And perhaps to an Irishman you come off as genuine. But that was a total load of BS and didn't at all answer how I am enslaved or being denied any particular Human Right.

The good thing about America is the fact that it still has plenty of natural resources, the bad thing is the yanks are using it up as quickly as possible!

USA (& China) will sink before the Bismark! Geremany I mean the EU.

Overheal

Biggins wrote: »

There is a lot of good ideas around - some are in the politics section alone, which come from good thinkers and are a good read - sadly a lot of ideas are being drowned out by the regurgitated same old crap dressed up and PR spun as something new by out of date established parties who are too set in their ways!

We need to move on from stupid ideas, old ideas and ideas that are being held back because bloody parties are afraid to rock the boat in fear that their own members might lose out financially (either in the Dail or outsides business interests - sometimes both!).

Which ideas gravitate most to you, as a matter of interest. I haven't had a lot of time to pore through everything in politics.

Biggins

Overheal wrote: »

Which ideas gravitate most to you, as a matter of interest. I haven't had a lot of time to pore through everything in politics.

Well without having to wade through the whole politics section, a good place to start is the Irish Economy sub-section of it.

There are good opinions/ideas put forth in the following threads for example:
* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056231374
* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056245235
* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056214411
* http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056226308

We could expand upon them here but then we would be derailing the current thread - no matter how much of a daft idea it is!

(I particularly like Scofflaw's posts. I might not agree sometimes but they are put forth with thought, brains and more than a modicum of an ability to see complicated connections within various situations.)

dublin 16 lad

Americas economy is going through extremely tough times at the moment, why the hell would we want to go near them!?

What we need to do is leave the failing Europe project, get our own currency back and start becoming self sufficient

zenno

Overheal wrote: »

I heard <fascism prattle> <Non-Geneva Gun Rights Issue> <ignorant forefather prattle> <Non-Geneva Taxation Issue> <prattle> <baseless terror prattle>

You tried to sound if you actually knew anything about Human Rights, the US Constitutional 2nd Ammendment, or the intent of the forefathers. Or Fascism, for that matter. Way, way off from the idea of Fascism there. And perhaps to an Irishman you come off as genuine. But that was a total load of BS and didn't at all answer how I am enslaved or being denied any particular Human Right.

is that so ? you have one major important right of which is lost now to all american citizens and that is, you're right to a trial and innocent before proven guilty.

Q: Just who is a terrorist?
A: Anyone (non-U.S. citizen or U.S. citizen alike) Attorney General Ashcroft designates as one.
Q: On what evidence can Ashcroft designate someone as a terrorist?
A: Mere suspicion and hearsay.
Q: What legal rights and Constitutional protections does someone detained on the grounds of being a suspected terrorist have?
A: Next to none.


this includes you and all american citizens. basically after the american patriot act america's own citizens can be locked up indefinately just from hearsay from any neighbour or personal enemy to you or likewise. and this has happened and it's damn shocking to say the least. that is one human right voilation and it is a big one. no questions asked. what a country.



look man I do not hold any grudge against any american as my cousins are from california and are great people but they are blazing mad on how this patriot act has damaged the u.s.a anyway it's a stupid topic good luck. compared to america, we are just screwed in a different way.

Overheal

zenno wrote: »

is that so ? you have one major important right of which is lost now to all american citizens and that is, you're right to a trial and innocent before proven guilty.

Q: Just who is a terrorist?
A: Anyone (non-U.S. citizen or U.S. citizen alike) Attorney General Ashcroft designates as one.
Q: On what evidence can Ashcroft designate someone as a terrorist?
A: Mere suspicion and hearsay.
Q: What legal rights and Constitutional protections does someone detained on the grounds of being a suspected terrorist have?
A: Next to none.

Honestly, you could have quoted the USA Patriot Act. Instead, you took a Q&A hyperbole blogpost from some site called http://holywar.org ?

this includes you and all american citizens. basically after the american patriot act america's own citizens can be locked up indefinately just from hearsay from any neighbour or personal enemy to you or likewise. and this has happened and it's damn shocking to say the least. that is one human right voilation and it is a big one. no questions asked. what a country.

It's the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001

Hence, USA PATRIOT Act (Or USA Patriot Act)

Not the America Patriot Act.

And in which instance then a disgruntled neighbor call his other neighbor a witch?

look man I do not hold any grudge against any american as my cousins are from california and are great people but they are blazing mad on how this patriot act has damaged the u.s.a anyway it's a stupid topic good luck. compared to america, we are just screwed in a different way.

Never said you were discriminating, or that people weren't upset with the act, but as far as being denied Human Rights, I think we're far from the mark of meritorious discussion points on whether Ireland needs to join the United States.

zenno

Overheal wrote: »

Honestly, you could have quoted the USA Patriot Act. Instead, you took a Q&A hyperbole blogpost from some site called http://holywar.org ?

LOL I never heard of that site you posted. my post was extracted from the "as you say U.S.A patriot act" files (of which i used the Q & A scenario) to make a point. so I don't know where you got that site location from. it's ok to feel humble to you're country but as the thread say's "time to join the U.S.A" no fcuking thanks and never in the future will the majority ever really go with that if this was a real idea unless the mentally ill in this country decided to go with it. enjoy you're so-called freedom in the land of dwindling freedom.

unknown13

No because we don't need an even more stupid health care system, the Death penalty and an army that actually goes to war in a different country nearly every decade.

ejmaztec

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

What we need to do is leave the failing Europe project, get our own currency back and start becoming self sufficient

Man cannot live by bullsh1t alone.

zenno

Overheal wrote: »

And in which instance then a disgruntled neighbor call his other neighbor a witch?

I don't understand that question as I never said anything about a witch?.

what I have quoted is in you're U.S.A patriot act, and what I said is the facts. why don't you read it sometime and you might understand how this affects all american citizens lives regarding human rights?. and that is the government most americans voted in to office and allowed these illegal laws to come into effect totally disregarding you're constitution.

AgileMyth

feelingstressed wrote: »

Sure wasn't it Lehman Brothers who caused all the issues in Ireland.....

Eh, no. They just exposed the issues.

Killer Wench

I will add this.

If Ireland did join the USA, I'd guarantee you that that situation in the north would be resolved real quick.

zuroph

Sure thats why the queen is coming, to sign us over to Barack..

CongoPowers

Would this mean Maury would take Jeremy Kyle's place on my television?

Killer Wench

Killer Wench wrote: »

I will add this.

If Ireland did join the USA, I'd guarantee you that that situation in the north would be resolved real quick.

The Canadians won't like that !

zuroph

CongoPowers wrote: »

Would this mean Maury would take Jeremy Kyle's place on my television?

yes. and instant access to hulu. its the promised land.

Guy:Incognito

bradyle wrote: »

Damn may have voted yes instead of no by accident....if we were smart we'd go join japan

Screw that ****, I dont want earthquakes.:)

Thrill

If we joined the U.S. we could end up becoming one big air and naval base. A perfect jump off point for future Mideast invasions. We're just a grenades throw away from the place for feck sake.


Mmmmm, oil.




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Overheal

zenno wrote: »

LOL I never heard of that site you posted. my post was extracted from the "as you say U.S.A patriot act" files (of which i used the Q & A scenario) to make a point. so I don't know where you got that site location from. it's ok to feel humble to you're country but as the thread say's "time to join the U.S.A" no fcuking thanks and never in the future will the majority ever really go with that if this was a real idea unless the mentally ill in this country decided to go with it. enjoy you're so-called freedom in the land of dwindling freedom.

I googled your blue text and it came right up.

Either way, the Patriot Act only lives on currently as a shadow of it's former self. In fact, it's currently due to expire in a month, but as you say I imagine the still lingering components of the original act may be renewed for another few months or weeks. Those are:

-Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones.
-Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations.
-Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group. [176]

zenno wrote: »

I don't understand that question as I never said anything about a witch?.

what I have quoted is in you're U.S.A patriot act, and what I said is the facts. why don't you read it sometime and you might understand how this affects all american citizens lives regarding human rights?. and that is the government most americans voted in to office and allowed these illegal laws to come into effect totally disregarding you're constitution.

I asked you to show me where there has ever been a case of a US citizen calling his neighbor a terrorist*. You haven't yet. At this point I'm not even really interested in whether the neighbor's dog had peed on this guys rose bush, or whether he actually thought his neighbor was a terrorist: I just want you to show me the case where it actually happened. Because you said it has.

*I'm sure plenty of people have joked about it. But I mean actually called the DoHS and reported their neighbor for criminal acts of terrorism or conspiracy. And actually had the FBI* come and arrest said neighbor.

*Doesn't even have to be the FBI. I hear Steven Seagal makes arrests a tank**.

*Thats not normal. I'm pretty sure Seagal is in trouble for staging that for his stupid-ass show. ....*


*Yep, still waiting on that incidence of neighbor-getting.

Thrill

Overheal wrote: »

*Doesn't even have to be the FBI. I hear Steven Seagal makes arrests a tank**.

*Thats not normal. I'm pretty sure Seagal is in trouble for staging that for his stupid-ass show. ....*

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That was way ott alright.

America has gone crazy! Well, Arizona certainly leads the way to bizzaro land with the actions of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. And is there such a thing as Action Star Steven Seagal anymore?


Sheriff Joe Arpaio rolled out the tanks to take down a man suspected of cockfighting. West Valley residents in the neighborhood are crying foul after armored vehicles, including a tank, rolled into their neighborhood to make the bust.


Neighbor Debra Ross was so worried she called 911 and went outside where a nearby home had its windows blown out, was crawling with dozens of SWAT members in full gear, armored vehicles and a bomb robot.“When the tank came in and pushed the wall over and you see what's in there, and all it is, is a bunch of chickens,” Ross said.

Overheal

Yeah the sherrif department acknowledged it was completely uncalled for and thought it had something to do with Seagal's TV contract with the precinct/jurisdiction.

Jesus Wept

Why the **** would the USA want Ireland to become the '51st state'?
Some people have their heads in the clouds.

Also, why would we want to anyhow.

RichieC

KeithAFC wrote: »

Confederates FTW.

you're good at history.

bnt

Bbbbolger wrote: »

Please, think of the children! Won't somebody please think of the children! Seriously...drinking age in America is 21 and they're very strict about that over there! Imagine our college students all sober. It'd be terrible! :rolleyes:

Not exactly ... the situation is complicated by the fact that the Federal government doesn't have the Constitutional authority to enforce a drinking age, so they fudged it. The National Minimum Drinking Age Act (1984) threatens the States with the withholding of Federal funds for highways if they didn't pass their own equivalent laws - and so they did. However, the Act (and the resulting State law) only covers purchase and public possession of alcohol. Only seven states have banned under-21 drinking outright: in all others, you can drink on private property, sometimes with restrictions depending on State e.g. with "adult" supervision. If you're at home in Texas, aged 15, and your dad gives you a beer - that's legal. (Just don't let Child Protective Services find out - they are a law unto themselves!)

This ties in to what I said earlier: folks debating this question need to understand the limits of the USA Federal government under the Constitution. There is only so much that it can impose on States, and States can maintain their own cultural identities. This is how one country can include the likes of Arizona, New Jersey, Washington, Vermont and Ohio within its borders: even neighbouring states such as Colorado, Nebraska and Kansas have more cultural and philosophical differences, compared to each other, than Ireland has with the UK. (But I'm not voting on the OP's poll, since the issues are too complicated for me to form a strong opinion either way.)

bobo26b

why not

InTheTrees

Thrill wrote: »

If we joined the U.S. we could end up becoming one big air and naval base. A perfect jump off point for future Mideast invasions. We're just a grenades throw away from the place for feck sake.

Exactly. That's the benefit. And there would be Big Screen TV's and SUV's for all.

:rolleyes:

Celly Smunt

InTheTrees wrote: »

Exactly. That's the benefit. And there would be Big Screen TV's and SUV's for all.

:rolleyes:

and these for others

zuroph

zombies!!!

bobo26b

bobo26b wrote: »

why not

What!!!

books4sale

America as an empire are in decline, by historic standards their reign has been short, a blip in comparsion to the Romans, but its understandably as their country is nothing but a newborn.

Like all empires they failed to learn from European history, overstretching their resources, armies and fighting wars on all fronts.

Expect the corporate vultures of doom to pick it apart over the next 20 years leaving a bare bones skeleton. Its end days now!

Europe despite its financial problems is on the rise again despite many falls over centuries of history. The difference this time is we have a bigger combined unit with the Germans at the fore, manpower, technology, skills, education and resources.

Expect Europe to hit the front as the all ass kicking world force once China, India and Pakistan start knocking 90 shades out of each other.

Together we stand, divided they fall!

annascott

hmmm land of The Bible Belt and The Electric Chair...

books4sale

dublin 16 lad wrote: »

start becoming self sufficient

...like that lad in his underground bunker waiting for WW3! :rolleyes:

What decade are you living in?

Trigger

At least we might actually qualify for a World Cup:rolleyes:

wendell borton

yes, but only if britain and it's dominions join as well and ingsoc come to power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtepuyvsGbg

NinjaK

Neither, Ireland free from all interference

K3lso

1. Leave The EU.
2. Leave The UN.
3. Be Free.
4. ??????
5. Profit.

Neewbie_noob

Gunnerkid wrote: »

Since we have gone into economic meltdown and dealing with political corruption, and being pushed about by are EU neighbors, would you be inclined to turn away from the EU and look at joining the USA. Would you be opposed to the idea or all for it???

heres a is an article on the topic:

http://bocktherobber.com/2010/10/ireland-could-apply-to-become-51st-state-of-usa

and this is the discussion on Politics.ie:

http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/30289-should-ireland-usa-united-states-europe.html

nah, we'd only drag them down with us

books4sale

NinjaK wrote: »

Neither, Ireland free from all interference

Last time we were free our democratically elected government ran the country into a hole.

The only reason we are all still here is due to the kindness of others so you know where you can stick your 'interference'.

Killer Wench

astradave wrote: »

At least we might actually qualify for a World Cup:rolleyes:

What we have a national soccer team?!?!

Agent Smith

Black Swan wrote: »

USA? Don't join them. Declare war on them, then quickly surrender an hour later, and then ask them for investment capital, bailout monies, and grants to rebuild our national infrastructure (as if we lost a war to them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unlpRJh6eEA