What to do when confronted by scumbags

PK2008

Scumbags are throwing mobile phones now?

And they said the Celtic Tiger was dead...........

!MAVERICK!

Your 25 and you let a bunch of 15 year olds bully you? If you see them again do not walk away or else it will more likely happen again in the future.

During the last winter a group of around 8-10 teenagers flung two ice balls at my brothers 911. He immediately pressed hard on the brakes and we both hopped out of the car and started walking swiftly towards them then they all ran away like a bunch of girls. Kids today get away with murder and nothing is being done to take action against them.

Depending on the type of teenagers, most of them will always run away when confronted.

yoshytoshy

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Your 25 and you let a bunch of 15 year olds bully you? If you see them again do not walk away or else it will more likely happen again in the future.

During the last winter a group of around 8-10 teenagers flung two ice balls at my brothers 911. He immediately pressed hard on the brakes and we both hopped out of the car and started walking swiftly towards them then they all ran away like a bunch of girls.

Depending on the type of teenagers, most of them will always run away when confronted.

Great advice ,pitty that poor polish guy didn't take it.

Logical Fallacy

doomed wrote: »

Confidence is SFA use if there are 8 of them and one of you. I suspect they are feeling pretty optimistic themselves.

Years ago when I was studying martial arts the instructor was really clear on this issue. If you can run away do so. This was from a guy who could break contrete blocks with his fist.

One advantage you have over the average scumbag is intelligence. Use it.

Most of the guys i know who teach or train martial arts will say the best form of self defence is sprinting.

FloatingVoter

Glenster wrote: »

What if patrick pearse had that attitude, we'd all be speaking german now, wouldn't we?

If Pearse had his way we would be speaking German right now.

Seriously: Walking on was the right move. One dipstick with a knife is enough to take down a heavyweight.

Dave!

I wouldn't keep the head down if I were you. Makes you look weak, like you're trying to avoid them. Those are the people that they'll try the shít with. Keep your head up, look confident, slightly pissed off. Bit of eye contact is alright, but don't try and stare anyone down or anything.

They throw somethin at you or pass a comment, just walk on...

doomed

Glenster wrote: »

What if patrick pearse had that attitude, we'd all be speaking german now, wouldn't we?

German? Er..

Heroic death is OK if you are hoping to become a martyr and sow the seed for future revolution. On the other hand having 57 different varieties of ****e kicked out of you because you didn't realise there is a difference between Dirty Harry Movies and real life wont cut it.

pragmatic1

Right choice OP. Its annoying but thats life until the legal system pulls the finger out.

Larianne

Dave! wrote: »

I wouldn't keep the head down if I were you. Makes you look weak, like you're trying to avoid them. Those are the people that they'll try the shít with. Keep your head up, look confident, slightly pissed off. Bit of eye contact is alright, but don't try and stare anyone down or anything.

They throw somethin at you or pass a comment, just walk on...

Throw a few shapes as your walking too.

tayto lover

You did the right thing. These boys are only brave when they have plenty of numbers. Walk on and ring the Gardai.

Fools rush in.

dr gonzo

No offense intended OP but its a silly question. Unless youre a Navy SEAL you did the right thing, keep on walking. They werent forcing you into a corner so self defense wasnt an issue, they were just trying to get a rise cause they knew they were safe in numbers.

Scum are scum.

milehip1

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Your 25 and you let a bunch of 15 year olds bully you? If you see them again do not walk away or else it will more likely happen again in the future.

During the last winter a group of around 8-10 teenagers flung two ice balls at my brothers 911. He immediately pressed hard on the brakes and we both hopped out of the car and started walking swiftly towards them then they all ran away like a bunch of girls. Kids today get away with murder and nothing is being done to take action against them.

Depending on the type of teenagers, most of them will always run away when confronted.

there's a difference between yours and the op's story, mainly you were in a car,so your guys were a little down the scumbag ladder of 'courage'

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Great advice ,pitty that poor polish guy didn't take it.

Not sure if you're quoting the correct post there?
I assume you're on about Pavel Kwelite(sic) who got stabbed with the screwdriver,unless you're being sarcastic of course.


I'm always planning on taking up a martial art of some kind,
reading some of the posts here think i'll just concentrate on the 100m sprint and save money on the classes.

milehip1

Larianne wrote: »

Throw a few shapes as your walking too.

What like dance moves is it?

yoshytoshy

milehip1 wrote: »

Not sure if you're quoting the correct post there?
I assume you're on about Pavel Kwelite(sic) who got stabbed with the screwdriver,unless you're being sarcastic of course.

I was referring to that alright ,awful thing to happen to someone.

All these toe rags are looking for is aknowledgement . The only time I've ever seen somone get into a situation is when they acknowledge a group or turn their head.

leggo

Glenster wrote: »

Scum only understand confidence. They prey on the weak.

The rest of the post sounded like the words of someone who'll embark on a shooting spree within the next few years...but that point made sense.

Now my dayjob is in security, so I've probably picked up how to handle myself in public without realising, but this stuff never happens to me. One stupid (and not particularly classy) trick that I picked up along the way is that if a large group is walking in the other direction, spit as they're getting close to you. Not on them obviously. I know it sounds ridiculous but it seems to work...maybe it's an old primal assertion of disrespect or something.

But yeah, they pick on people who don't look like they can handle themselves. And, in fairness, you can spot those a mile off. Looking at their feet as they walk, shoulders slumped, earphones in, afraid to make eye contact with anyone, you know the rest. So if you find this often happens to you...work on building confidence and asserting yourself because that's where it all comes from.

Another trick that's (miraculously) worked for me in the past when surrounded by scumbags, on the job this time, is to not let them realise I was afraid. Once I was cornered outside work by about 12 of them, all locked. I was absolutely ****ting it inside, but didn't let them see it. Turned to them, calmly, and said: "Lads, I've lost this fight already. You know it, I know it. But I could beat the ****e out of all of ya's 1-on-1, so what I'm gonna do is grab the first ****er that throws a dig and kick the ever-loving ****e out of him and nobody else. So who wants to do it? Or we can all just go our separate ways and nobody gets hurt..." After a few tense seconds, they moved.

Now I wouldn't particularly ADVISE that course-of-action, but I really didn't see another option at the time. I think the fact that I gave them a get-out at the end is what saved me too.

Anyway, hope that helps...or at least amuses.

Jesus Wept

rubabbel wrote: »

So, walking home from the Luas tonight, and saw a large group of teenagers.

ok

rubabbel wrote: »

I'm 25 myself, so there shouldn't be any problem

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emo72

has anyone mentioned the light sabre fantasy yet? or is it just me?

Laisurg

They threw a phone at you!? some people are just odd... tbh if they look like they might be under 18 your better off just leaving them, if you gave one of them a dig at a luas stop it would of been recorded and you could of gotten done for it, but in general if you know how to fight its down to you, theres always the chance that some idiot will pull a knife and be locked enough to try use it so you gotta keep that in your head as well.

johnthemull

Take an AK47 from your underpants
Load a clip
Blow them all away
Make your way home
Bliss

ShamoBuc

op - walk on, if they follow you - leg it. No other option is a good option - unless you ae carrying a gun.... stop, turn around.... pull it out.... watch the fear in their eyes.... fire a shot into the sky ..... watch them shít themselves and leg it.

strokemyclover

Contact with scumbags has always been something which I've tried to avoid. When I was in my teens I probably couldn't avoid it but still gave as good as I got. It eased off in my twenties apart from the trouble I went out and looked for - being an idiot and all!

In my thirties, it just seems like a waste of time - I've been accosted by many a scumbag since turning the big Three Zero. I could have reacted in a way to provoke or encourage further abuse but seriously, what's the point?

Tonight, the drunkest man I've ever seen came up to my face and told me to "Vuck ovv" (nothing done or said to provoke this incoherent abuse) and I just gave him the thumbs up! A few years ago I probably would have punched him into next week. Groups of similarly angry/drunk people won't follow if you run like fcuk!

My point I guess is that folks these days over react to those who are intoxicated. Yes, it's fun to punch a drunk man but, in the end, what are you achieving?

Wheelie King

The Brigadier wrote: »

I have seen a lot of the world.

The Dublin ruffian is right up their with the worst anywhere.

I'll be honest here i've seen a fair bit of this world also (it happens when you reach 50) and most Dublin thugs are pussycats. They talk a good fight and that's about it.

rubabbel

The-Rigger wrote: »

ok



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I used to always get hassle from teenagers when I was a teenager. The last couple of years I noticed that they just ignore you, I guessed it was because I was older. Maybe I'm thinking now that it was just coincidence.

rubabbel

leggo wrote: »

But yeah, they pick on people who don't look like they can handle themselves. And, in fairness, you can spot those a mile off. Looking at their feet as they walk, shoulders slumped, earphones in, afraid to make eye contact with anyone, you know the rest. So if you find this often happens to you...work on building confidence and asserting yourself because that's where it all comes from.

Hey, it's like you were there and described me exactly. This is probably exactly what it is, I definitely have to work on how I portray myself and looking more confident.

kazzdee

!MAVERICK! wrote: »

Your 25 and you let a bunch of 15 year olds bully you? If you see them again do not walk away or else it will more likely happen again in the future.

During the last winter a group of around 8-10 teenagers flung two ice balls at my brothers 911. He immediately pressed hard on the brakes and we both hopped out of the car and started walking swiftly towards them then they all ran away like a bunch of girls. Kids today get away with murder and nothing is being done to take action against them.

Depending on the type of teenagers, most of them will always run away when confronted.

I know that most teenagers will run away when confronted but you were two, against a few idiots, this guy was on his own. Again, strength in numbers applies. He was right to walk not run away, and he did well to avoid trouble, also, seeing as you guys were in the shelter of your bros "911", you couldve sped off if the going got tough, this guy, hadnt got that luxury.

TheUsual

doomed wrote: »

Years ago when I was studying martial arts the instructor was really clear on this issue. If you can run away do so. This was from a guy who could break contrete blocks with his fist.

A very good point.
A lad teaching me martial arts said that even in an easy fight with one other guy you will get cuts and injuries. If you can walk or run away then do it.
It stayed with me because physically, he could have stood and fought, and it changed my idea of what self-defence was.

Standard Toaster

What kinda phone was it?

Joe10000

double GG wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXS-9igKfos

Stand your ground and fight.

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That's a movie !!

Mate kill them with your love, like John coffffffy did, like the drink only spelled different.

TangyZizzle

Some great advice in this thread. Equally - some stupid shít that will get you beat to a pulp.

Don't acknowledge them. It's simple but so effective. I'v found in the past that a glance and a slight snigger to myself is enough to set scum off. The little laugh I had was of course me looking and realising "I'm above them, life isn't so bad," but that's enough to provoke them.
Walk on. Look at your life. Realise you have it good and scum throwing phones at you is the least of your worries.

I like the key technique. That said, I'd much rather a short sharp sprint to safety than having to shove my housekey into someones throat.

Richard Dower

Pull out a tech9 and spray them with bullets.

starviewadams

If you can walk/run away then do that,pride really isn't worth a trip in an ambulance to a&e,or a week with concussion that feels like the worst hangover in the world!

evercloserunion

Dave! wrote: »

I wouldn't keep the head down if I were you. Makes you look weak, like you're trying to avoid them. Those are the people that they'll try the shít with. Keep your head up, look confident, slightly pissed off. Bit of eye contact is alright, but don't try and stare anyone down or anything.

They throw somethin at you or pass a comment, just walk on...

I've never thought someone was weak because they were looking at the ground. Yeah there is a "weak" look that often involves looking down among other things, but there is no angle at which you have to keep your head in order to avoid looking cowardly or anything.

In my experience, avoiding eye contact is preferable, if they feel they aren't being noticed they're not going to keep at you for long before giving up. If you make eye contact they will often take it as an opportunity to say something to you, usually something along the lines of "what the fcuk are you lookin' at". At that point, regardless of whether you ignore them or answer them, your response will be taken as a pretence to escalate the situation.

If there's just one scumbag, then asserting yourself can't hurt. But they think differently in groups. Not least because, if there is a group of them and they are anything near your age, then regardless of your build or confidence they could easily take you down and inflict serious damage.

Richard Dower

^ the issue is they could have knives or worse....so called "kids" these days, especially scumbag kids don't think and act likr normal kids. They are uneducated, they lack control over there basic scumbag instincts...ergo they answers everything by either shouting or a fist.

You can't reason with stupidity.

population

For anyone saying "face them down, show them who's boss" etc. Do not practice what you preach or you will probably be pointlessly killed by someone with a lot less to live for than you.

I was with a mate when I was 17 walking up a lane towards a particularly badly positioned bus stop in Fettercairn when two little runts holding a screwdriver and a kitchen knife told us to hand over what we had. My mate is a black belt a few times over and can handle himself and stupidly I was expecting him to lose the rag and knock these chaps about, but he just put his hand in his pocket and handed over about 18 quid. I followed on and did the same, about 11 quid and my bogey poundshop watch. After I said to my mate incredulously that he could have got us out of that and he said "look we lost about 40 quid, costs a lot more than that to stitch even one cut". Even though he could probably take them he knew the risk was just too big, particularly with a clueless like me beside him.

stovelid

Tome for a weepy scumbag chronicles forum.

Splendour

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Large groups of teenages throw things and miss because they are normally afraid to throw something and hit someone or start a proper fight.

In short it was a group of lads trying to prove how hard and ladish they were.

Agree with Logical here; they were just looking for a reaction and attention. Seems to me you handled it perfectly.

CharlesHaughey

Lately I have heart stories of people being stabbed with used syringes. Now that **it is dodgy.

mikemac

leggo wrote: »

But yeah, they pick on people who don't look like they can handle themselves. And, in fairness, you can spot those a mile off. Looking at their feet as they walk, shoulders slumped, earphones in, afraid to make eye contact with anyone, you know the rest. So if you find this often happens to you...work on building confidence and asserting yourself because that's where it all comes from.

Glenster wrote: »

Scum only understand confidence. They prey on the weak.

Two top posts.
Some people just attract the scum. Well attract is the wrong word, some people just come across as easy targets and that's what the scum target.
As realy these teenagers are cowards, meet them one on one and they wouldn't dare do anything. Get them in a group and they're macho men.

But realy, if you hit the leader, the man with the mouth the rest would scatter. Not advising this now. Just my experience and as someone who definitely seemed an easy target and take much hassle and abuse from the local teenagers who hang around the shops

And while maybe it shouldn't happen, the ego is hurt a bit if you say you are in your late twenties and getting hassle and physical threats from teenagers.

rubabbel wrote: »

So, walking home from the Luas tonight, and saw a large group of teenagers. I'm 25 myself, so there shouldn't be any problem, but I just knew they'd try something. Kept my head down, avoided them as best I could,

You kept your head down OP, I think there is something in that and worth thinking about

arybvtcw0eolkf

rubabbel wrote: »

I guess maybe the answer for the long term would be learn some self defense.

Any self respecting self defence class, or instructor will tell him he done the right thing - he kept walking.

OP, you done the right thing.. Unlike me who should know better, I'd have thumped one of the little bastards - God I love smacking toe rags, esp. when they cry - little cunts.

rubabbel

feelingstressed wrote: »

You kept your head down OP, I think there is something in that and worth thinking about

Definitely. I think it was probably the best outcome from the situation, but maybe some self-defense classes, while not actually helping fight in a situation like that, would help with confidence and looking confident.

If someone could recommend a good place for classes, that'd be great.

leggo

MMA is great for that stuff. And it's big business these days so gyms are opening up everywhere. It's also a great laugh and good way to meet new people. The only one I've had experience with in the past and can vouch for is Martial Arts Inc (which has a few gyms around Dublin) but, if that doesn't suit, then there are plenty of others around.

As many have said, though, what you get out of self-defence isn't just the skills to defend yourself but the confidence of knowing you CAN defend yourself. As a teen, I got into tons of fights and whatnot, then it stopped when I actually learned HOW to fight. It's strange but works.

Saviola

I find it very useful, when you're physically bullied, to yell, 'No, no, no, don't; you're giving me an erection!

Stephen Fry is a genius.

Nolanger

Walk over to the nearest guy and bite into his Adam's apple. Don't let go until you bite part of his throat out. Then spit it to the ground and ask the rest of the gang with blood all over your mouth 'who's next'?

mfceiling

Where do scum get off on shít like this...

Saw 4 young lads 12 or 13 year olds riding their bikes up the road one day.
A young couple - early 20's - are walking towards them....scum start wheelying at them and trying to intimidate them...they walked on and paid them no attention so the scum start spitting at them...WTF!!....you couldn't fcuking beat these little retards hard enough.

TangyZizzle

mfceiling wrote: »

Where do scum get off on shít like this...

Saw 4 young lads 12 or 13 year olds riding their bikes up the road one day.
A young couple - early 20's - are walking towards them....scum start wheelying at them and trying to intimidate them...they walked on and paid them no attention so the scum start spitting at them...WTF!!....you couldn't fcuking beat these little retards hard enough.

Anyone else picture themselves clothes lining one of the pricks as they wheely right past you?

the keen edge

I gave the following advice before regarding dealing with scum, and I still stand by its effectiveness.

**** yourself.

I mean actually **** your pants, with any luck the foul stench emanating from your jocks should drive them away.

If this fails, start smearing your faeces all over your face while repeatedly chanting "mahogany gas pipes, mahogany gas pipes" or some other incomprehensible rubbish, in the hope that they will think you're a serious mentalist, and thus f*ck off away from around you.

Works every time.

HavingCrack

Glenster wrote: »

What if patrick pearse had that attitude, we'd all be speaking german now, wouldn't we?

Pearse was lined up against a wall and shot. It didn't exactly turn out too well for him now did it.
And German?? What history have you been studying?

Ev84

the keen edge wrote: »

I gave the following advice before regarding dealing with scum, and I still stand by its effectiveness.

**** yourself.

I mean actually **** your pants, with any luck the foul stench emanating from your jocks should drive them away.

If this fails, start smearing your faeces all over your face while repeatedly chanting "mahogany gas pipes, mahogany gas pipes" or some other incomprehensible rubbish, in the hope that they will think you're a serious mentalist, and thus f*ck off away from around you.

Works every time.

How often did you have to do this? :pac:

TheInquisitor

Why does everyone put their "head down". This doesn't make sense at all. You just make yourself smell of fear. Always head up and look confident.

julianseeker

You did the right thing in walking away, your not hurt so leave it like that