Georges St Pierre

baaaa

Richy06 wrote: »

I'm well aware of the accusations, I'm sure that he may have done it before.
Neither am I a GSP nuthugger. I just can't fathom how people seem to like to jump all over a fighter after a bad performance. Fighters have good and bad performances. Why does it have to come down to accusations of greasing because Shields couldn't get him down?

The exaggerated over analysis that follows fights like this just amazes me.
I'm sorry GSP didn't rip out his useless eyeball and use it to batter Shields into submission. I really am. Next time I'll jump on the bandwagon.

Do,it will save me the hassle of poking you down from in and around GSP's nutsack.

baaaa

Quelle surprise,there's nothing wrong with his eye either
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/3/2150968/georges-st-pierre-did-not-suffer-detached-retina

Clive

Have you read that link?

baaaa

Yeah,the usual bs from Zahabi-wasn't as bad as we originally made out but still bad enough to make excuses for Georges inability to finish.

Clive

So it's clear that there was something wrong with his eye, which was obvious to anyone watching the fight.

baaaa

Clive wrote: »

So it's clear that there was something wrong with his eye, which was obvious to anyone watching the fight.

Yep,there was something wrong with his eye.
Fighters get eye poked all the time,it doesn't mean that you skirt around your opponent waiting for the final bell to ring.
It's just another excuse from GSP and his trainers,someday people will realise that he's just a great wrestler that uses grease cleverly and wears a karate headband to fool opponents into thinking he has a interest in striking.
Look,I nuthug as much as the next person,I just can't understand why people like a fighter like GSP so much-he never finishes,has boring fights,fights conservatively,has been accused by many past opponents of cheating.Of all the fighters to nuthug GSP is the worst choice.

Clive

LOL!

el dude

My opinion on GSP? Well, he's one of the best ever. He's also one of the most boring ever.

But you can't deny his talents, and his fights are only really so boring because he's so well rounded(even though he could take more risks).

He comes up against a good striker, he'll just take that away from them and plant them on the mat for five rounds. He fought Shields, didn't want the fight on the ground, so didn't let him take it here and comfortable out-boxed him on the feet. So it's up to the other fighters to catch up to him. Until there's someone who can stuff his take-downs and out-strike him on the feet it's just going to be more of the same.

baaaa

el dude wrote: »

My opinion on GSP? Well, he's one of the best ever. He's also one of the most boring ever.

But you can't deny his talents, and his fights are only really so boring because he's so well rounded(even though he could take more risks).

He comes up against a good striker, he'll just take that away from them and plant them on the mat for five rounds. He fought Shields, didn't want the fight on the ground, so didn't let him take it here and comfortable out-boxed him on the feet. So it's up to the other fighters to catch up to him. Until there's someone who can stuff his take-downs and out-strike him on the feet it's just going to be more of the same.

I would put "strategists" after "best".
Other than that I agree.

ScareGilly

Ask anyone around here and they'll tell you I hate GSP more than most people but there's an awful lot of trollop in here imo..

In fact, I hate him nearly as much as I love Chael Sonnen.. :rolleyes:

12gauge dave wrote: »

gsp has proven hes p4p the best

jake shields should be what were talking about he was USELESS beyond belief:mad:

He wasn't useless, he's the first person to take a round off GSP in years. He wasn't useless, his major plan was taken out of the equation when GSP easily stuffed his shots. Just like Fitch, Hardy, Alves' gameplans were put out of the equation due to GSP's skill. Not because they were useless.

Fromvert wrote: »

No he hasn't, for me he'll have to move up a weight class and beat someone to be seen as the p4p best. Anderson Silva has twice and KO'd both of them. He's in the top 3/4 but he's not number one.

What does moving up a weight rank have to do with Pound-for-pound lists. That's why they're pound-for-pound. If all fighters were in the same category, who would be ranked where.. GSP is definitely number 1 on that list.

His wrestling is as good as if not better than Sonnen's. His submission defence is better. And his striking is far better. If Sonnen came within 2 minutes of beating Anderson Silva with crap submission defence. I'd say that if GSP was the same weight he'd beat him. Pound-for-pound is about skill.

GSP has great striking. GSP has great Wrestling and GSP has great Jiu-Jitsu.

Anderson has great striking, nobodies seen much of his Jiu-Jitsu but for 22 minutes of the Sonnen fight it didn't look that great. And he hasn't got any wrestling skill..

GSP is top of p4p imo.

Clive wrote: »

In terms of his performance against Shields, he answered the question many people had - about his heart. He couldn't see out of one eye and was clearly troubled by it and taking damage, but still executed his gameplan perfectly. I'd be interested to know which two rounds two of the judges gave to Shields. I can see an argument for the fifth and no other but I was watching it with my fan hat on rather than my judging one.

I had it scored 48-47 to GSP too. I can't remember specifically which rounds I gave to Shields but I really don't want to watch that fight again so please believe me I can't see how any judge scored it 50-45 though. Shields definitely won one of the rounds.

baaaa wrote: »

Yep,there was something wrong with his eye.
Fighters get eye poked all the time,it doesn't mean that you skirt around your opponent waiting for the final bell to ring.
It's just another excuse from GSP and his trainers,someday people will realise that he's just a great wrestler that uses grease cleverly and wears a karate headband to fool opponents into thinking he has a interest in striking.
Look,I nuthug as much as the next person,I just can't understand why people like a fighter like GSP so much-he never finishes,has boring fights,fights conservatively,has been accused by many past opponents of cheating.Of all the fighters to nuthug GSP is the worst choice.

TROLLOLOLOLOLOL




Just wondering since Shields lost, who now has the longest win streak in MMA?

el dude

baaaa wrote: »

I would put "strategists" after "best".
Other than that I agree.

That's nonsense really. It's not strategy that makes him the best mma wrestler bar none in the sport. It's talent, technique and dedication.

There's not even that much strategy to what he does. It's either take the fight to the ground, or keep it standing. That's what makes him great, he can take the fight wherever he chooses too.

Professey Chin

ScareGilly wrote: »

Just wondering since Shields lost, who now has the longest win streak in MMA?

Jose Aldos last loss was November 2005. Not sure of any big name fighters who can beat that.

SanoVitae

ScareGilly wrote: »

His wrestling is as good as if not better than Sonnen's. His submission defence is better. And his striking is far better. If Sonnen came within 2 minutes of beating Anderson Silva with crap submission defence. I'd say that if GSP was the same weight he'd beat him. Pound-for-pound is about skill.

The huge difference is that Sonnen has an iron chin and GSP does not. All Anderson would need to do is catch GSP once and GSP's gameplan along with his consciousness would go out the window.

ScareGilly wrote: »

GSP has great striking. GSP has great Wrestling and GSP has great Jiu-Jitsu.

GSP's stand-up is not on the same level as Anderson's - Anderson's footwork alone would make GSP look silly as long as it remained standing. If Anderson got GSP in his clinch, the results would be truly horrific.

seadnamac

baaaa wrote: »

Yep,there was something wrong with his eye.
Fighters get eye poked all the time,it doesn't mean that you skirt around your opponent waiting for the final bell to ring.
It's just another excuse from GSP and his trainers,someday people will realise that he's just a great wrestler that uses grease cleverly and wears a karate headband to fool opponents into thinking he has a interest in striking.
Look,I nuthug as much as the next person,I just can't understand why people like a fighter like GSP so much-he never finishes,has boring fights,fights conservatively,has been accused by many past opponents of cheating.Of all the fighters to nuthug GSP is the worst choice.

Your posts are great. Very funny stuff all together. Keep it up.

El Guapo!

baaaa wrote: »

Yep,there was something wrong with his eye.
Fighters get eye poked all the time,it doesn't mean that you skirt around your opponent waiting for the final bell to ring.
It's just another excuse from GSP and his trainers,someday people will realise that he's just a great wrestler that uses grease cleverly and wears a karate headband to fool opponents into thinking he has a interest in striking.
Look,I nuthug as much as the next person,I just can't understand why people like a fighter like GSP so much-he never finishes,has boring fights,fights conservatively,has been accused by many past opponents of cheating.Of all the fighters to nuthug GSP is the worst choice.

Your either an idiot or a troll. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say troll.

enfant terrible

ScareGilly wrote: »

His wrestling is as good as if not better than Sonnen's. His submission defence is better. And his striking is far better. If Sonnen came within 2 minutes of beating Anderson Silva with crap submission defence. I'd say that if GSP was the same weight he'd beat him. Pound-for-pound is about skill.

GSP has great striking. GSP has great Wrestling and GSP has great Jiu-Jitsu.

Anderson has great striking, nobodies seen much of his Jiu-Jitsu but for 22 minutes of the Sonnen fight it didn't look that great. And he hasn't got any wrestling skill..

GSP is top of p4p imo.

I'd fancy Anderson to submit Dan Hardy if he had him on his back for five rounds like GSP had him.

I actually see Sonnen as GSP's worst match up with Sonnen holding him down for five rounds and winning a decision GSP style.

Fromvert

ScareGilly wrote: »

What does moving up a weight rank have to do with Pound-for-pound lists. That's why they're pound-for-pound. If all fighters were in the same category, who would be ranked where.. GSP is definitely number 1 on that list.

His wrestling is as good as if not better than Sonnen's. His submission defence is better. And his striking is far better. If Sonnen came within 2 minutes of beating Anderson Silva with crap submission defence. I'd say that if GSP was the same weight he'd beat him. Pound-for-pound is about skill.

GSP has great striking. GSP has great Wrestling and GSP has great Jiu-Jitsu.

Anderson has great striking, nobodies seen much of his Jiu-Jitsu but for 22 minutes of the Sonnen fight it didn't look that great. And he hasn't got any wrestling skill..

GSP is top of p4p imo.

Of course moving up a weight class and being able to dominate fighters from that weight class proves you are better p4p. You are showing that even as the smaller guy you can still compete and win. It's your skill and not your size/strength that wins you those fights. This is more impressive then dominating fighthers at your own weight.

Also Silva's BJJ is very good, how many people have submitted Dan Henderson? GSP has better wrestling then Silva and that's about it. His striking isn't even in the same league as Silva's and not even worth mentioning when comparing it to Silva's.

Richy06

http://www.bjpenn.com/profiles/blogs/cesar-gracie-clarifies?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bjpenndotcom+%28BJPENN.COM+NEWS+BLOGS%29

Mellor

enfant terrible wrote: »

I'd fancy Anderson to submit Dan Hardy if he had him on his back for five rounds like GSP had him.

Well of course, Silva is a middle weight, the best in the world currently, he is also a BJJ black belt for nearly 5 years. Hardy is a welter weight, and not in the top 5 at that, and a brown blet
Kinda goes without saying that Anderson owns him on the ground.

Fromvert wrote: »

Of course moving up a weight class and being able to dominate fighters from that weight class proves you are better p4p..

It ahs nothing to do with weight class. Pound for pound is really really subjective. And is mostly a tool for hype.

If he moves up, he'll put on more weight so its wouldn't have any affect on how he is viewed in terms of pound for pound rankings. (of course a match with Silva will settle the debate between them)

Fighting middle weights at his current weight obviously impoves his p4p rankings, but that has 0% chance of happening. He is one of the best fightres when it comes to game plans, he would never put himself in such a ridic position. Plus he has said this himself before .

Fromvert

Mellor wrote: »

It ahs nothing to do with weight class. Pound for pound is really really subjective. And is mostly a tool for hype.

If he moves up, he'll put on more weight so its wouldn't have any affect on how he is viewed in terms of pound for pound rankings. (of course a match with Silva will settle the debate between them)

Fighting middle weights at his current weight obviously impoves his p4p rankings, but that has 0% chance of happening. He is one of the best fightres when it comes to game plans, he would never put himself in such a ridic position. Plus he has said this himself before .

I'm probably not getting my point across well. But the fact that Silva has been able to jump up to LHW and dominate his opponents while still holding and defending his MW belt makes him number one in my eyes. If GSP was able to do this he would challenge for that title. Obviously he would never do this though as GSP has stated this before.

Also I think Silva is the more talented and a better fighter of the two. Although I do have a habit of changing my mind though about who would win between the two depending on who's last performance has annoyed me the most as I'm not the biggest fan of either.

Mellor

You are comparing GSP stepping up to face Silva with silva fighting a poor forrest.

Do you think Silva has a chance against Jones without bulking up. Same situation as GSP

SanoVitae

Mellor wrote: »

Do you think Silva has a chance against Jones without bulking up. Same situation as GSP

Yeah, I don't see why people aren't asking for Silva-Jones instead of Silva-GSP.

There's pretty much only one way GSP could beat Silva - (laying a praying his way to a UD). The only interesting thing about that fight
would be whether he could achieve this. If he did, the fight itself would make the second Shamrock-Severn snoozer look interesting.

Both Jones and Silva win in spectacular fashion and in a variety of different ways. A fight between the two would be amazing!

Ush1

SanoVitae wrote: »

Yeah, I don't see why people aren't asking for Silva-Jones instead of Silva-GSP.

There's pretty much only one way GSP could beat Silva - (laying a praying his way to a UD). The only interesting thing about that fight
would be whether he could achieve this. If he did, the fight itself would make the second Shamrock-Severn snoozer look interesting.

Both Jones and Silva win in spectacular fashion and in a variety of different ways. A fight between the two would be amazing!

Agreed.

I like GSP but have no interest in Silva v GSP. I think Silva would beat him.
Reckon this is all pie in the sky now anyway. It will be Diaz v GSP and Silva has said he's gonna see out his days at MW.

Jason McCabe

GSP is one of the best for sure but I do find him very boring. He should have been able to put Shields away standing but chose to score points


At the end of the fight when asked about Silva he seemed as interested in that fight as George Bush would be in taking a hiking trip in the Afghan mountains.

ScareGilly

SanoVitae wrote: »

The huge difference is that Sonnen has an iron chin and GSP does not. All Anderson would need to do is catch GSP once and GSP's gameplan along with his consciousness would go out the window.

Completely forgot about that aspect actually Although in fairness, Sonnen didn't get tagged too much..

Fromvert

Mellor wrote: »

You are comparing GSP stepping up to face Silva with silva fighting a poor forrest.

Do you think Silva has a chance against Jones without bulking up. Same situation as GSP

Even if GSP moved up and fought the likes of Okami, Sonnen etc it would give him more reason to labelled as number one p4p. He was made look poor because Silva is in different class to Forrest.

Yes.

Xlami

Fromvert wrote: »

Even if GSP moved up and fought the likes of Okami, Sonnen etc it would give him more reason to labelled as number one p4p. He was made look poor because Silva is in different class to Forrest.

Yes.

I'm not a huge fan of the pound for pound debate in MMA or boxing I think it's just for hype, but I thought the idea of the pound for pound was to show where fighters would be ranked if they were all in the same weight class. So I don't see why going up and beating Okami, Sonnen etc. would increase Georges p4p standings more than if he stayed at WW and beat the likes of Diaz, Conduit, Fitch (again).

Fromvert

He would be proving that his talent can over come talented opponents who are bigger and stronger then him.

Anyway if they where all at the same weight, I'd go with Silva.

Mellor

Fromvert wrote: »

Even if GSP moved up and fought the likes of Okami, Sonnen etc it would give him more reason to labelled as number one p4p. He was made look poor because Silva is in different class to Forrest.

Yes.

Ignoring the p4p thing (i've already said its just hype)


You honestly think silva beats jones if they fight at their current weights. :eek:
TBH I'm a bit surprised at that