What really happened Osama bin Laden

FISMA

Slan Agus Abhaille!

Conspiracy no more!

Already confirmed by several news sources that the US in in possession of his remains.

jmolloy

i'm in shock tbh
never thought he'd be got
and thought if he did die the taliban would bury him and never be found so he'd always be a boogeyman of sorts

FISMA

He died years ago

jmolloy wrote: »

i'm in shock tbh
never thought he'd be got
and thought if he did die the taliban would bury him and never be found so he'd always be a boogeyman of sorts

Me too.

Is Obama sending Bush a message? This is the 8th Anniversary of the "mission accomplished" statement. Seems like a slap in the face.

Still no details. Obama was scheduled to speak at 10:30.

At that time there were a lot of concerning posts online. For example, CNN had at the top of their site: President to Speak at 10:30 - Topic Unannounced." I have never seen anything like that.

Almost an hour later and still nothing.

So far only bits and pieces about a drone attack.
<edit>
Now confirmed as a raid and he was killed during a shoot out.

Further releases claiming a head shot.

BlastedGlute

He is alive and well somewhere

Seriously??? Is everyone buying this?????/

Ok brief recap, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. This was and still is considered common knowledge in Pakistan. Actually just read this article.

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/

uncleoswald

He died years ago

BlastedGlute wrote: »

Seriously??? Is everyone buying this?????/

Ok brief recap, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. This was and still is considered common knowledge in Pakistan. Actually just read this article.

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/

And why do you buy your link? I think you'll find it isn't really common knowledge in Pakistan at all

The only real conspiracy is that Obama timed it as a smackdown to the wannabe Trump, hilariously the statement came right in the middle of his Celebrity Apprentice show.

pokerface_me

Delighted this Evil scumbag is dead, but not sure what to believe. If he was as sick as they say he was how did he survive this long, also if living in a large compound with his family, why wasn't there info on this long ago.

Just delighted he is dead.

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

BlastedGlute wrote: »

Seriously??? Is everyone buying this?????/

Ok brief recap, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. This was and still is considered common knowledge in Pakistan. Actually just read this article.

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/

I think they will be well aware that everybody, especially the Muslim world, will be slow to buy this without proof (DNA evidence, body etc) so I doubt they are doing it just for show.

The clash with 'The Apprentice' is hilarious though

By the way, why wouldn't you question the reliability of the sources cited on the InfoWars site? For example...

In February, 2004, Iranian state radio claimed Osama bin Laden had been captured in Pakistan’s border region with Afghanistan “a long time ago.” Pentagon and Pakistani officials denied the report. “Osama bin Laden has been arrested a long time ago, but Bush is intending to use it for propaganda maneuvering in the presidential election,” the radio report said.

...and, from Alex Jones himself:

“I have it from high level [sources] from inside the Bush administration…that bin Laden died of natural causes and that his family has given the body to the CIA, that they’re gonna roll him out right before the election, that he’s on ice right now. They will claim they killed him right before the election,” Alex said at the time.

PAULWATSON

Killed in A-BAD-A-BAD.

These story writers openly mock the masses.

Osama was whacked over 9 years ago.

coadyd

come on ... Buried at sea ??? total Boll***.

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

coadyd wrote: »

come on ... Buried at sea ??? total Boll***.

What? Who was buried at sea?

coadyd

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_burial

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

coadyd wrote: »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_burial

I presume they got some decent proof that he's a gonner. It makes sense to bury him at sea so there will be no focal point for a shrine or whatever, but so soon?

Buddhapadge

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I presume they got some decent proof that he's a gonner. It makes sense to bury him at sea so there will be no focal point for a shrine or whatever, but so soon?

Islamic tradition states that bodies have to be buried within 24 hours.

dubal

Makes sense too, no time for people to call for him to be buried this way and that way. Too late now.

Dubal

edit: Didn't realise it was tradition

jimmynokia

I am unsure/ Open to all possibilities.

can this be merged with the other thread with over 300 posts . I dont buy it until we actually see photos of the evil fcuk.

iPlop

He is alive and well somewhere

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I presume they got some decent proof that he's a gonner. It makes sense to bury him at sea so there will be no focal point for a shrine or whatever, but so soon?

Sky.com: Pakistani television stations earlier broadcast what they claimed was a photograph of the bloodied face of the world's most wanted man after he was killed, but this was later said to be a fake.

Unless they produce evidence that he was killed this is going to be another conspiracy theory ,buried at sea?

From Sky reporter, Twitter:OBL living 100 yds from Pak Army = doubtful US told Paks anything about the op. Burial at sea = conspiracy theory but easier than a shrine

sky.com

lallychops

buried at sea?????? yeah right, most infamous leader ever, they kill him and yet bury him at sea? ill believe it when i see it!

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

Buddhapadge wrote: »

Islamic tradition states that bodies have to be buried within 24 hours.

Indeed, but should the US be following Islamic tradition in this case?

MidlandsM

jimmynokia wrote: »

can this be merged with the other thread with over 300 posts . I dont buy it until we actually see photos of the evil fcuk.

they'll need an underwater camera for that:pac:

clever_name

He died years ago

lallychops wrote: »

buried at sea?????? yeah right, most infamous leader ever, they kill him and yet bury him at sea? ill believe it when i see it!

No nation would accept his body, Saudi refused, would you want him buried in your country? cant imagine that everyone who would go to the grave would be there to put flowers on it.

Im Only 71Kg

I am unsure/ Open to all possibilities.

no believing this one bit...no footage of his death. no evidence of a shoot out ..are we expected to believe the word of the US government?...obama's running for a second term in office soon,is he not. they'll n doubt roll out a wax model of Osama looking all dead n all.

jackiebaron

Buddhapadge wrote: »

Islamic tradition states that bodies have to be buried within 24 hours.

Like the Americans have facilitated the burial within 24 hours of the 1.5 million that they've butchered in Iraq.
I don't buy this crap.
Americans must think they're dealing with complete morons.

reverenddave

jackiebaron wrote: »

Americans must think they're dealing with complete morons.

they are

Themselves !!!!!!

crossmolinalad

He is alive and well somewhere

Dont believe the whole story
No film no pics and almost directly dumped in the sea
Will have a big laugh when a vid is turning up a couple weeks later with a statement that he is still alive and say it wasnt me who is killed in the house in pakistan

Undergod

Im Only 71Kg wrote: »

no believing this one bit...no footage of his death. no evidence of a shoot out ..are we expected to believe the word of the US government?...obama's running for a second term in office soon,is he not. they'll n doubt roll out a wax model of Osama looking all dead n all.

That's not evidence though. They would rarely release the footage of a covert op so quickly. You may be right to be suspicious, but I think it's a bit early.

jackiebaron wrote: »

Like the Americans have facilitated the burial within 24 hours of the 1.5 million that they've butchered in Iraq.
I don't buy this crap.
Americans must think they're dealing with complete morons.

Putting aside the figures here, it's not the same situation at all- you're not responsible for the bodies of enemy combatants. This was a mission where the aim was to kill/capture a single wanted individual.

clever_name

He died years ago

If he is not dead then announcing that he is deeply stupid, all it would take is Osama to release a video saying hi I'm alive.

windsurfer99ie

He died years ago

BlastedGlute wrote: »

Seriously??? Is everyone buying this?????/

Ok brief recap, Osama Bin Laden has been dead for years. This was and still is considered common knowledge in Pakistan. Actually just read this article.

http://www.infowars.com/red-alert-government-had-osama-bin-laden-frozen-for-years/

Why would a Republican administration allow a subsequent Democrat President to take the credit for this ?

Please provide evidence for your "common knowledge in Pakistan" assertion from a reputable news source.

Brown Bomber

He is alive and well somewhere

Undergod wrote: »

That's not evidence though. They would rarely release the footage of a covert op so quickly. You may be right to be suspicious, but I think it's a bit early.



Putting aside the figures here, it's not the same situation at all- you're not responsible for the bodies of enemy combatants. This was a mission where the aim was to kill/capture a single wanted individual.

You have it the wrong way round. The US changed the laws of war to suit themselves so the lines of who is and isn't an enemy combatant became blurred. Osama was an enemy combatant under these looser defintions but ordinary citizens that they slaughtered in Iraq certainly weren't.

Brown Bomber

He is alive and well somewhere

clever_name wrote: »

If he is not dead then announcing that he is deeply stupid, all it would take is Osama to release a video saying hi I'm alive.

It's not a question of whether he is dead or not but if he has just been killed by Obomber and flung into the sea.

jackiebaron

The whole thing is a complete farce. This guy was apparently killed in December of 2001 yet the Americans kept trotting out videos of him to ramp up the fear factor just like those cretinous colour-coded terror levels. What a crock. Obama has to start withdrawing US troops from Afghanistan this summer after their humiliating defeat there so this bogus Bin Laden pantomime will provide perfect cover for that defeat in that it will make the withdrawal appear to be a "Mission Accomplished" moment. And of course moronic Joe Public in the US will say "Woo-hoo!!! USA USA, See.....we won in Afghanistan!!"

Farce!

33

Fake pictures, buried at sea, election on the way, something smells fishy and it ain't Osama.

supposed bloodied face of Osama
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e46_1304318901




http://www.liveleak.com/c/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

live tweet of the event
ReallyVirtual
Helicopter hovering above Abbottabad at 1AM (is a rare event).
May 01, 2011, 7:58 PM


ReallyVirtual
Go away helicopter - before I take out my giant swatter :-/
May 01, 2011, 8:05 PM


ReallyVirtual
A huge window shaking bang here in Abbottabad Cantt. I hope its not the start of something nasty :-S
May 01, 2011, 8:09 PM


ReallyVirtual
@m0hcin all silent after the blast, but a friend heard it 6 km away too... the helicopter is gone too.
May 01, 2011, 8:44 PM


ReallyVirtual
@m0hcin http://bit.ly/ljB6p6 seems like my giant swatter worked !
May 01, 2011, 8:46 PM


ReallyVirtual
@m0hcin the few people online at this time of the night are saying one of the copters was not Pakistani...
May 01, 2011, 8:48 PM


ReallyVirtual
RT @han3yy: OMG :S Bomb Blasts in Abbottabad.. I hope everyone is fine
May 01, 2011, 8:50 PM


ReallyVirtual
Since taliban (probably) don't have helicpoters, and since they're saying it was not "ours", so must be a complicated situation #abbottabad
May 01, 2011, 9:02 PM


ReallyVirtual
The abbottabad helicopter/UFO was shot down near the Bilal Town area, and there's report of a flash. People saying it could be a drone.
May 01, 2011, 9:10 PM


ReallyVirtual
@wqs figures, if they have the right to shoot planes flying over the president house, the must have the same instructions for PMA
May 01, 2011, 9:14 PM


ReallyVirtual
@smedica people are saying it was not a technical fault and it was shot down. I heard it CIRCLE 3-4 times above, sounded purposeful.
May 01, 2011, 9:15 PM


ReallyVirtual
@tahirakram very likely - but it was too noisy to be a spy craft, or, a very poor spy craft it was.
May 01, 2011, 9:16 PM


ReallyVirtual
Here's the location of the Abbottabad crash according to some people >>> http://on.fb.me/khjf34
May 01, 2011, 9:34 PM


ReallyVirtual
Two helicpoters, one down, could actually be the training accident scenario they're saying it was >> http://bit.ly/ioGE6O
May 01, 2011, 9:43 PM


ReallyVirtual
and now I feel I must apologize to the pilot about the swatter tweets :-/
May 01, 2011, 10:05 PM


ReallyVirtual
And now, a plane flying over Abbottabad...
May 01, 2011, 10:39 PM


ReallyVirtual
Interesting rumors in the otherwise uneventful Abbottabad air today
May 02, 2011, 3:00 AM


ReallyVirtual
Report from a taxi driver: The army has cordoned off the crash area and is conducting door-to-door search in the surrounding
May 02, 2011, 3:02 AM


ReallyVirtual
@kursed What really happened doesn't matter if there is an official story behind it that 99.999% of the world would believe
May 02, 2011, 3:08 AM


ReallyVirtual
@kursed Another rumor: two copters that followed the crashed one were foreign Cobras - and got away
May 02, 2011, 3:10 AM


ReallyVirtual
Report from a sweeper: A family also died in the crash, and one of the helicopter riders got away and is now being searched for.
May 02, 2011, 3:21 AM


ReallyVirtual
@kursed Well, there were at least two copters last night, I heard one but a friend heard two, for 15-20 minutes.
May 02, 2011, 3:24 AM


ReallyVirtual
@kursed I think I should take out my big blower to blow the fog of war away and see the clearer picture.
May 02, 2011, 3:24 AM


ReallyVirtual
RT @ISuckBigTime: Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.: ISI has confirmed it << Uh oh, there goes the neighborhood :-/
May 02, 2011, 3:31 AM


ReallyVirtual
I need to sleep, but Osama had to pick this day to die :-/
May 02, 2011, 4:03 AM


ReallyVirtual
Uh oh, now I'm the guy who liveblogged the Osama raid without knowing it.
May 02, 2011, 4:41 AM


ReallyVirtual
and here come the mails from the mainstream media... *sigh*
May 02, 2011, 4:42 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=637_1304323608

namloc1980

33 wrote: »

Fake pictures, buried at sea, election on the way, something smells fishy and it ain't Osama.

Link please?

Stinicker

He is alive and well somewhere

Shot in the head according to sources, so if they release any pics it will probably be a pile of ketchup and mince meat and expect the masses to believe it.

Afghan war has served its purpose long ago, this is a false flag to initiate the withdrawal and departure from there. There are juicier targets for the Military like Libya who have oil something the Afghans lack. Osama is probably alive and doing well, Any one who beleives in the whole 9/11 and the Al Qaeda Vs. West thing is wrong imo, it was about control, eroding civil liberties, controlling energy and the markets and diverting more of the worlds wealth into the hands of the small elite who control everything. Obama/Bush or Trump none of them means anything as they are all pawns.

Question Everything.

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

jackiebaron wrote: »

Like the Americans have facilitated the burial within 24 hours of the 1.5 million that they've butchered in Iraq.
I don't buy this crap.

I'm not buying that number either. The case against them is strong enough without diminishing your argument with that sort of nonsense.

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

jackiebaron wrote: »

The whole thing is a complete farce. This guy was apparently killed in December of 2001

I hate to ask...but...evidence?

namloc1980

33 wrote: »

Fake pictures, buried at sea, election on the way, something smells fishy and it ain't Osama.

supposed bloodied face of Osama
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e46_1304318901




http://www.liveleak.com/c/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden

That picture has been doing the rounds for years and is a very very obvious fake. You must try harder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uj3t0gsUDw

Undergod

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You have it the wrong way round. The US changed the laws of war to suit themselves so the lines of who is and isn't an enemy combatant became blurred. Osama was an enemy combatant under these looser defintions but ordinary citizens that they slaughtered in Iraq certainly weren't.

That's not what I'm talking about though. A military force is not responsible for disposing of the bodies of the enemy combatants (regardless of how they define/change the definition of 'enemy combatant').

This mission is different, because the aim of it was specifically to deal with bin Laden. I may be wrong, but I'd imagine in most military engagements where the aim is to capture/kill a specific target, they don't just leave the cadavers lying around.

clever_name

He died years ago

jackiebaron wrote: »

The whole thing is a complete farce. This guy was apparently killed in December of 2001

Farce!

Why would this news have been hidden through two elections?

And who has been faking the videos of Osama that were made after 2001?

Spunge

Why in gods name would America say he was dead if he wasn't ?

33

namloc1980 wrote: »

Link please?

Try Google!

constance tench

He is alive and well somewhere

namloc1980 wrote: »

Link please?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100085835/why-that-photo-of-a-dead-osama-bin-laden-is-almost-certainly-a-photoshopped-fake/

dead one

A myth ends in myth

iPlop

He is alive and well somewhere

Why would there be faked photos of Osama around? The only conclusion is that they're covering up something.

33

namloc1980 wrote: »

That picture has been doing the rounds for years and is a very very obvious fake. You must try harder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uj3t0gsUDw

I must try harder to find another fake picture?, I said fake picture, you asked for a link, then posted saying the pic I said was fake, was fake, what should I do now?, tell you it's not fake?, I can't make out what it is your trying to achieve here.


And that video you posted was posted a few hours ago, any links to earlier uploads of same video, I'm still confused as to what it is your trying to say I said wrong.

Look above the pic I posted and notice the word "SUPPOSED"

namloc1980

33 wrote: »

Try Google!

You made the claim so you need to back it up. It's just lazy to now direct us to Google.

Monty Burnz

He died years ago

The Incredible Fridge wrote: »

Why would there be faked photos of Osama around? The only conclusion is that they're covering up something.

These fakes have been around for a long time. People fake all sorts of stuff, for all sorts of reasons.

Regarding the raid: says the BBC...

The compound was about 3,000 sq yards in size but people from the area told the BBC that it was surrounded by 14ft-high walls, so not much could be seen of what was happening inside.
The walls were topped by barbed wire and contained cameras.

A big, fortified compound? Are there a lot of these in Pakistani cities? Does this mean that someone important was sheltering him?

BEASTERLY

They know this could result in some very nasty revenge attacks from the taliban. Why would they make it up and bring it upon themselves for no reason by making it up?

iPlop

He is alive and well somewhere

Monty Burnz wrote: »

These fakes have been around for a long time. People fake all sorts of stuff, for all sorts of reasons.

Point taken.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Regarding the raid: says the BBC...


A big, fortified compound? Are there a lot of these in Pakistani cities? Does this mean that someone important was sheltering him?

Maybe, It's been alleged that the pakistani government knew where he was by G.W. Bush a few years back.

The Americans NEED to provide irrefutable evidence that Osama is dead, it's a bit fishy the whole buried at sea bollocks.

33

namloc1980 wrote: »

You made the claim so you need to back it up. It's just lazy to now direct us to Google.

Wait your saying that pic has been doing the rounds for years, show me an earlier link to it please.

It's like you dimissed it being fake by asking for a link, then realised it was and said it's been doing the rounds for years, can you now please link to an earlier version of this pic that has been doing the rounds for years, it should be fairly easy, constance supplied a link about the fake photoshopped picture, now can you show the earlier version of the same picture your talking about.

jackiebaron

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm not buying that number either. The case against them is strong enough without diminishing your argument with that sort of nonsense.

Well you should think about buying that number pal. The Lancet, which employed what was widely regarded as "best practice" methods for estimating the death toll had the figure at 600,000 as of mid-2006:

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq

The US has sprayed so much lead around Iraq that they can't manufacture the bullets quick enough and have had to have Israel make up the shortfall. you think nobody gets killed there like some episode of the A-Team?

I'm guessing that you don't buy this figure simply because you don't WANT it to be true.

Undergod

BEASTERLY wrote: »

They know this could result in some very nasty revenge attacks from the taliban. Why would they make it up and bring it upon themselves for no reason by making it up?

Do you mean al-Qaeda?

They're always under threat from terrorist attack anyway, so I doubt it'll really make much difference.