Smackdown Results 5/6 *Spoilers*

Diabhal Beag

I mean it is ****ty that he lost within days but I can see both sides of the coin. Let's be honest here lads. He isn't massively over is he? He probably gets a smaller pop than Morrison. He hasn't been made into a star and his title win just stinks of "Only got the title cuz Edge is gone".

Machismo Fan

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I mean it is ****ty that he lost within days but I can see both sides of the coin. Let's be honest here lads. He isn't massively over is he? He probably gets a smaller pop than Morrison. He hasn't been made into a star and his title win just stinks of "Only got the title cuz Edge is gone".

So what's gained by putting the title on him and taking it straight off him, other than upsetting the people that may have emotionally invested in him winning it or the people who bought Extreme Rules because they thought he was going to win it. It's a stupid decision no matter how you look at it - they should've waited for Over The Limit at least to put the belt on Orton.

Diabhal Beag

Machismo Fan wrote: »

So what's gained by putting the title on him and taking it straight off him, other than upsetting the people that may have emotionally invested in him winning it or the people who bought Extreme Rules because they thought he was going to win it. It's a stupid decision no matter how you look at it - they should've waited for Over The Limit at least to put the belt on Orton.

I don't think there were as much people buying the Chamber for them to believe he made a difference. If Vince doesn't believe in him to draw then he isn't going to delay long taking the strap off him. When on RAW the only mention he got was a 5 second cameo in the party lounge that was an ominous sign.

Rjd2

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I mean it is ****ty that he lost within days but I can see both sides of the coin. Let's be honest here lads. He isn't massively over is he? He probably gets a smaller pop than Morrison. He hasn't been made into a star and his title win just stinks of "Only got the title cuz Edge is gone".

Not watch the PPV on Sunday? He got a fantastic pop and it was a real feel good moment. Also seriously he is more over than Morrison, thats a horrible thing to say...:pac:

Orton for all his defenders has never proved that he can draw as champ nor has he ever popped a buyrate. The company wasn't going to die because Christian was champ and it certainly won't create a new boom they have gone back to the status quo.


Seriously why not have Orton chase the title for a while? Have him win the title at a PPV and try to draw some money out of the chase?


This is an idiotic decision really.

Diabhal Beag

Rjd2 wrote: »

Not watch the PPV on Sunday? He got a fantastic pop and it was a real feel good moment. Also seriously he is more over than Morrison, thats a horrible thing to say...:pac:

Orton for all his defenders has never proved that he can draw as champ nor has he ever popped a buyrate. The company wasn't going to die because Christian was champ and it certainly won't create a new boom they have gone back to the status quo.


Seriously why not have Orton chase the title for a while? Have him win the title at a PPV and try to draw some money out of the chase?


This is an idiotic decision really.

It is a stupid decision but at the same time he was given the Rey Mysterio run. And he isn't more over than Morrison (which is like saying a dead dog is better than a dead cat) :pac:

Furious-Red

I would have thought we were getting another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGC-_xRXTo

As people have said at least give him a chance to see if he can draw or whatever instead of making him drop the belt 2 days later. I no wwe will turn Christian into the annoying heel where he winges and moans and gets jobbed to everyone. Pretty much the new Jericho

Machismo Fan

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I don't think there were as much people buying the Chamber for them to believe he made a difference. If Vince doesn't believe in him to draw then he isn't going to delay long taking the strap off him. When on RAW the only mention he got was a 5 second cameo in the party lounge that was an ominous sign.

It's still terrible business and while not too many people may be upset (though those that are are being quite vocal about it) it has a terrible long term detrimental effect when done consistently and it's a contributory factor to the falling buyrates. I just don't see any real logical reasoning behind the decision.

Diabhal Beag

The aul PPV's where struggling for a long time. This won't make that much of a difference IMO.

Rjd2

Machismo Fan wrote: »

It's still terrible business and while not too many people may be upset (though those that are are being quite vocal about it) it has a terrible long term detrimental effect when done consistently and it's a contributory factor to the falling buyrates. I just don't see any real logical reasoning behind the decision.

Agreed. I'd have given Christian a few weeks at least until the PPV to see what reactions are like to gauge his success as champ. The company was hardly going to go under was it?

Who knows maybe it may have been successful, the crowd were seriously into him at Extreme Rules, so why not give him a chance?

Cena's popularity was hardly affected when he didn't have the belt, so you still can feature Orton prominently with some feuds with the likes of Cody or Wade.

Seriously take some ****ing chances WWE!, God forbid we create another main eventer!

Machismo Fan

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

The aul PPV's where struggling for a long time. This won't make that much of a difference IMO.

But that's the TNA attitude of 'nobody buys our PPV's anyway' which just helps worsen the problem and drastically hurts the chance of fixing it. WWE have been devaluing the meaning of their PPV's for years and this is just one incident which just adds to the problem and they have to come up with other excuses for falling buyrates rather than facing up to the problem.

jmolloy

Xinkai wrote: »

Time for TNA till Christian gets the belt back methinks.

Officially on a boycott from WWE starting now.

honestly watching tna won't make you feel any better

it's interesting that the wwe now has 2 babyface champs they usually like to have a heel champ and a face champ. can't see cena dropping soon and outside of orton, christian and sheamus there is no one on the smackdown side and there is no ready made feud there for orton.
long title reigns ahoy

starviewadams

There is no way in hell that John Morrison is more over then Christian,the guy can't even talk,wrestles and moves like a diva,and think's having (shíte!) facial hair makes him a main eventer!

The crowds reaction to Christian winning the title on Sunday was genuine happiness for someone who obviously cares about wrestling,much like when Eddie won the title all those years ago,the crowd were invested emotionally in Christian,so naturaly WWE goes on shíts all over them for caring.

ari gold24

Absolute disgrace,kills whatever chance I had of starting to watch on a friday night now.joke.:mad:

DM_7

So I was Thinking "I can't wait for Smackdown, Sheamus v Bryan my two favourite smackdown wrestlers locking Up".

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Chavo involved with Sin Cara? Interesting, Chavo is under utilised this could be good.
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What! A new WHC? All Freaking ready!


Now I'm thinking, VINCE YOU PRICK.

CMpunked

This will only work out good for us (as fans) if one of two things happen:
1. Orton turns heel and takes a somewhat HHH heelish approach to acting like he is the sh!t. Christian vows revenge and wins the title back somewhere down the line.

2. This kick starts a christian heel turn.
Lets say next week edge is trying to console christian after losing to orton and he ends up pissing christian off, christian lays him out with the killswitch and starts the hellbent heel who when he does win the title off orton at OTL, has a much stronger character than he does now (as some people are suggesting that his character is a little weak at the moment.)

irish_stevo815

The reason Christian lost the title so soon:

kksaints

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

I mean it is ****ty that he lost within days but I can see both sides of the coin. Let's be honest here lads. He isn't massively over is he? He probably gets a smaller pop than Morrison. He hasn't been made into a star and his title win just stinks of "Only got the title cuz Edge is gone".

I usually read the forum but have never posted but I have to reply to this. They gave to belts to JBL and The Great Khail and they weren't very over. They held on to the belt for longer than two or five days.

jmolloy

kksaints wrote: »

I usually read the forum but have never posted but I have to reply to this. They gave to belts to JBL and The Great Khail and they weren't very over. They held on to the belt for longer than two or five days.

Welcome, yeah they did but they were heels so it increased their negative reaction, also the longer it went on with JBL the more entertaining it became

I think deep down a lot of us probably expected this I'd optimistically given Christian 2 months as champ but I said somewhere last week that I just wanted Christian to win and I didn't care what happened after. He'll always have that moment and it still will be a moment for all fans of Christian in years to come. Yeah it's **** that it's happened but guys just remember how good it felt Sunday, as a long time peep I never believed I'd see it and I'm still grateful for that one shining moment

riffmongous

jmolloy wrote: »

Welcome, yeah they did but they were heels so it increased their negative reaction, also the longer it went on with JBL the more entertaining it became

I think deep down a lot of us probably expected this I'd optimistically given Christian 2 months as champ but I said somewhere last week that I just wanted Christian to win and I didn't care what happened after. He'll always have that moment and it still will be a moment for all fans of Christian in years to come. Yeah it's **** that it's happened but guys just remember how good it felt Sunday, as a long time peep I never believed I'd see it and I'm still grateful for that one shining moment

I don't think I agree, unless something good does come out of it like was suggested above (which I really hope is the case), taking if off him so quickly just robs the win of any enjoyment for me, the fact that they couldn't give him one week as champion just reeks of ****, and thats what I'll always remember. One month and I think it would have sucked, but not even 1 week ffs!

D2D

Wow.....just wow:eek::(

Diabhal Beag

kksaints wrote: »

I usually read the forum but have never posted but I have to reply to this. They gave to belts to JBL and The Great Khail and they weren't very over. They held on to the belt for longer than two or five days.

Welcome! JBL got massively over as a heel though. WWE weren't ever going to give him that kind of a push. And with Khali he is a freak so they were always going to give him the title. WWE doesn't work based on logic.

jmolloy

Khali brought in a huge Indian audience as well to be fair to him

jmolloy

What with the impact spoilers and the christian thing this shirt sums up what i think (check the back as well as front )

http://mosradio.spreadshirt.co.uk/come-on-wrestling-shirt-A12419093/customize/color/2

parker kent

Seems they ruined what had been a great Smackdown with that booking. Not sure what benefit there is to Orton winning the title on an unadvertised TV match so soon. Christian could have at least got a few weeks out of it.

Though by some accounts I've read, the crowd were pretty hot for Orton.

Daniel Bryan/Sheamus is meant to be a very good match.

DM_7

On reflection - Its not the Christian thing so much, but the lack of build up and that the change happened on a taped show. Vince should only have world title changes on Live TV imo.

flahavaj

LOL Christian. He's always been a midcarder to Vince. It does beg the question why bother in the first place though tbh.

DM_7

flahavaj wrote: »

LOL Christian. He's always been a midcarder to Vince. It does beg the question why bother in the first place though tbh.

I didn't have the nerve to Post LOL Christian but it really is LOL when you think about it!

JP Liz V1

Wow this has to the most posts ever in a SD thread and the show hasnt aired yet

In regard to Orton being over I always thought he worked better as a heel, boring as hell as a face imo

Looks like my dream feud for WHC title between Christian and Jericho also wont be happening

Rjd2

CMpunked wrote: »

This will only work out good for us (as fans) if one of two things happen:
1. Orton turns heel and takes a somewhat HHH heelish approach to acting like he is the sh!t. Christian vows revenge and wins the title back somewhere down the line.

2. This kick starts a christian heel turn.
Lets say next week edge is trying to console christian after losing to orton and he ends up pissing christian off, christian lays him out with the killswitch and starts the hellbent heel who when he does win the title off orton at OTL, has a much stronger character than he does now (as some people are suggesting that his character is a little weak at the moment.)

They won't be turning Orton heel as they have **** all creditable babyfaces and they have shown no sings of building up anyone else up.

Christian for me works best as a babyface, he is likable and knows how to work face, I don't see what would be gained by turning him heel.

Although if you listen to the Internet everyone should be heel except Rey and Horny. :pac::pac:

D2D

Source:

As many of you may now know, the top story on the internet today is the fact that Randy Orton defeated Christian at the Smackdown taping last night to become the new World Heavyweight Champion.

After speaking to several key WWE insiders, WrestleZone can now provide details behind why WWE decided to book this major title change just days after Christian won the title at Extreme Rules.

To begin with, as we exclusively reported several days ago, Randy Orton is set to become the focal point of the Smackdown brand, and the entire Friday night show will be centered around him from both a marketing and creative standpoint. Orton's position on Smackdown can be compared to John Cena's position on Raw, as WWE looks at both talents as the creative centers of their respective brands.

Additionally, we were told that Christian's title win at Extreme Rules was done not so much as a "well deserved win for Christian," but much more so that a big moment could be made for Edge at the PPV. "Vince [McMahon] could smell, touch and taste a moment between Edge and Christian celebrating on PPV, and that's the major reason why Christian was awarded the title." This dispels any conspiracy theories that Christian was awarded the title to keep it on Smackdown, as we were told it would have been very easy for WWE to throw a third party into the Extreme Rules match which would have kept the title off Christian and still on Smackdown.

As to the question of why WWE stripped Christian of the title so shortly after his win at Extreme Rules, WZ was told that no one in WWE with any kind of influence values Christian as a top money draw for the company. Christian is well liked, and is considered, as we were told, "a reliable hand," but when it comes to being a top player in WWE, Vince McMahon has absolutely no faith in him.

Brian Gewirtz, who is the head writer on Raw, and also oversees the entire writing staff in general, which means he does have influence on the direction of Smackdown, is said to be a big supporter of Christian, but other than him, there appears to be no other members of WWE's top brass that consider Christian to be a major player. And yet, we're told by our key WWE insider that even Gewirtz wouldn't speak up for Christian as a top draw. "Brian knows Christian is a very entertaining wrestler," we were told, "but even he knows Christian should not be the number one guy on either brand."

As we said, however, Christian is still considered to be a quality worker and a reliable hand for WWE, and we were even told that a possible producer/agent position might be available for him when his wrestling days are over, but as far as Christian ever working at the top of a WWE brand, that seems to be a very unlikely possibility.

DM_7

Ah lads just saw the finish on You Tube, all I can say don't try

a move off the ropes

against Mr RKO

Rjd2

Their is **** all proof that Orton is that massive of a draw really despite his epic booking and undoubted pops. Guys like Cena, Rey, Masters,Hunter, Taker and to a lesser extent Edge are all proven money draws, Orton not so much really.


Lets how he does if he is carrying the brand.

StoneColdFan

Mr Trade In wrote: »

Any video or picture links yet,I am curious to see if they even bothered to put Christians name on the title, at least they can't take away one thing from him he is now a grandslam winner.

DM_7

StoneColdFan wrote: »

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irish_stevo815

StoneColdFan wrote: »

God that name plate looks like plastic!!

CMpunked

Rjd2 wrote: »

Their is **** all proof that Orton is that massive of a draw really despite his epic booking and undoubted pops. Guys like Cena, Rey, Masters,Hunter, Taker and to a lesser extent Edge are all proven money draws, Orton not so much really.


Lets how he does if he is carrying the brand.

WWE will make it out that he is the greatest draw ever next to cena, regardless of how he actually does fare. If thats their opinion on him it wont change too easily.

Turtyturd

Rjd2 wrote: »

Their is **** all proof that Orton is that massive of a draw really despite his epic booking and undoubted pops. Guys like Cena, Rey, Masters[\b],Hunter, Taker and to a lesser extent Edge are all proven money draws, Orton not so much really.


Lets how he does if he is carrying the brand.

Am I missing some kind of insider joke?

DM_7

Turtyturd wrote: »

Am I missing some kind of insider joke?

Yes

riffmongous

Turtyturd wrote: »

Am I missing some kind of insider joke?

Phew, I didn't get it either :pac:

DM_7

If you do a search of the pro wrestling forum using masters as the search word, there are plenty of examples.



erm, I mean, its not really a joke, we are dead serious about Masters

Not really but you can play along anyway, its fun

Turtyturd

riffmongous wrote: »

Phew, I didn't get it either :pac:

Likewise....had to do a double take. Probably would have made a better champion than Christian though. :pac:

riffmongous

Turtyturd wrote: »

Likewise....had to do a double take. Probably would have made a better champion than Christian though. :pac:

I dunno, we didn't refer to him as 'The Disasterpiece' because he was out of shape :pac:

sunbabe08

:eek::mad:


WELL done wwe :rolleyes:

Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9AUloE3XpI

ari gold24

Those dopes in the crowd cheering just makes it even worse.

-Kenny-

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

Source:

As we said, however, Christian is still considered to be a quality worker and a reliable hand for WWE, and we were even told that a possible producer/agent position might be available for him when his wrestling days are over, but as far as Christian ever working at the top of a WWE brand, that seems to be a very unlikely possibility.

OK I'm sorry but this is just disgraceful How can they think that? Since watching wrestling since i was young that's the first time in a long while that Ive seen so much emotion come from a title win. It's the way wrestling should be. I can understand that they want Randy to be the top dog on Smackdown but for god's sake can they not give Christian a chance? The whole crowd that was present at ER jumped to there feet after he won. Which was a change from the usual Cena reaction. I just don't understand why there cant at least have a go with Christian as top dog. They trusted him as top dog at ECW once. Why not Smackdown?

SilverFox261

-Kenny- wrote: »

OK I'm sorry but this is just disgraceful How can they think that? Since watching wrestling since i was young that's the first time in a long while that Ive seen so much emotion come from a title win. It's the way wrestling should be. I can understand that they want Randy to be the top dog on Smackdown but for god's sake can they not give Christian a chance? The whole crowd that was present at ER jumped to there feet after he won. Which was a change from the usual Cena reaction. I just don't understand why there cant at least have a go with Christian as top dog. They trusted him as top dog at ECW once. Why not Smackdown?

With the loss of Edge, the apparent loss of Taker except for Mania appearances, and Mysterio going to Smackdown, everyone who the old show was built around at all levels is now gone. I can understand the hate towards Orton as everyone wants Christian to get his chance but if you are building the show from scratch again, realistically you can't do it around a first time Champion.

On top of this, WWE never leave a first time champion have a good run. Look at Miz. He was a side show to Rock/Cena through the whole Mania build up. I think everyone here would agree that if the Rock hadn't come back for Mania, the Miz would have dropped the title at the Rumble to Cena so that Cena could have the title going into Mania, and have the show built around him.

The exact same thing is happening here. Orton went to Smackdown so the show is revolving around him. Christian isn't going to be champion as long as they are re-building Smackdown!. The most likely chance of him having a shot at the title again is if they book him to win MITB when that PPV comes around. And even at that, he'd probably be the first guy to not cash it in successfully.

Garseys

irish_stevo815 wrote: »

God that name plate looks like plastic!!

I knew there was something up when I seen that. They would have left it blank until they got the engraved name plate.

jmolloy

nice of wwe to rub it in on fb this morn
http://www.facebook.com/#!/wwe/posts/117174171699346

Handsome Bob

jmolloy wrote: »

nice of wwe to rub it in on fb this morn
http://www.facebook.com/#!/wwe/posts/117174171699346

Liked page, left a nice message, unliked page.

:pac: