Feedback - Charter Discussion

LoLth

update to the charter:

lolcats are creeping back into the feedback forum. As are other internet memes. If you have a point, make it just like another poster took the time and effort to do, don't make a mockery of them by re-hashing some amusing picture or out-of-context-aren't-I-cool-and-hip phrase.

update is:

added 26/01/2014:
Internet memes
No answering a feedback post with internet memes including, but not limited to, pictures of cats with quotes, cartoon Mexicans, photoshopped images , images from the internet meme generator or any other internet meme/phrase such as "your momma" "cool story bro" etc. If you wish to respond to feedback or to expand on details provided by another user then fine, do so but no more thanks whoring or post count padding. Memes with be responded to with an infraction (yellow card) on first offense, red on second, short ban on third with increasing ban lengths following.

nesf

LoLth wrote: »

update to the charter:

lolcats are creeping back into the feedback forum. As are other internet memes. If you have a point, make it just like another poster took the time and effort to do, don't make a mockery of them by re-hashing some amusing picture or out-of-context-aren't-I-cool-and-hip phrase.

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Do Boards:The Gathering cards count as memes? It's not like they're popular or well known...

Insect Overlord

In fairness, asking for a "thumbs down button" is practically a Feedback meme itself at this stage. We all know it's never going to happen. Could that a mention in the charter too?

Artful_Badger

Insect Overlord wrote: »

In fairness, asking for a "thumbs down button" is practically a Feedback meme itself at this stage. We all know it's never going to happen. Could that a mention in the charter too?

Nobody reads the charter so whether its in there or not the threads will still appear. Takes nothing to ignore the one or two threads on it a year or a couple seconds to write a short polite response explaining its been asked plenty and not gonna happen.

Steve

LoLth wrote: »

lolcats are creeping back into the feedback forum. As are other internet memes.

If memory serves, lolcats were the only meme ever expressly frowned upon in this forum so it's inaccurate to say 'other internet memes' are 'creeping back' when they were never disallowed in the first place.

LoLth

Steve wrote: »

If memory serves, lolcats were the only meme ever expressly frowned upon in this forum so it's inaccurate to say 'other internet memes' are 'creeping back' when they were never disallowed in the first place.

[pedant]
while you are technically correct Steve, you are incorrect in that I never said "other banned memes" were creeping back, I said lolcats and "other memes". Whether they were disallowed or not is beside the point. For a long time feedback was a pit of users making a mockery of others that asked a question by posting one meme or another. Yes lolcats were expressly disallowed but there used to be lot more used. This stopped and feedback became useful. Now this is starting again and feedback is starting to acquire more noise than signal. Therefore lolcats are creeping back, as are other memes is an adequately accurate expression to use to describe the current situation.
[/pedant]

LoLth

Svlad Cjelli wrote: »

Nobody reads the charter so whether its in there or not the threads will still appear. Takes nothing to ignore the one or two threads on it a year or a couple seconds to write a short polite response explaining its been asked plenty and not gonna happen.

just because nobody reads it doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. If you breach a forum charter rules that is there, then its your own fault for not reading it rather than an unfair system for punishing you for something you did not know you couldn't do

as for adding "thumbs down" suggestion as a no-no to the charter ? Nope. as you pointed out, it takes nothing for users to ignore the question or type a short, polite response.

Steve

Fair and accepted explanation there Lolth.

Please don't completely drive the fun out of boards though - there has to be a reason for us long-timers to stay here.

I'm not advocating taking the pi$$ out of any user, the only post I saw in that thread was a pic with a subtitle "no" to the use of thumbs down feature (If it got worse and subsequently caused this amendment then my apologies).
It was not derogatory, it was funny and to those of us who have lived through the previous threads on it it was a reminder that we are a community that know there is more to life than rules, regulations and serious business.

Anyways, what's done is done, just giving my feedback on it.

LoLth

Steve wrote: »

Fair and accepted explanation there Lolth.

Please don't completely drive the fun out of boards though - there has to be a reason for us long-timers to stay here.

I'm not advocating taking the pi$$ out of any user, the only post I saw in that thread was a pic with a subtitle "no" to the use of thumbs down feature (If it got worse and subsequently caused this amendment then my apologies).
It was not derogatory, it was funny and to those of us who have lived through the previous threads on it it was a reminder that we are a community that know there is more to life than rules, regulations and serious business.

Anyways, what's done is done, just giving my feedback on it.

put yourself in the place of a user , fairly recent to boards that thinks, "thumbs up? wonder if a way to say "I don't like this" is possible...other forums have it, I'll post it".

then the only response from a long time member of the website is a large picture with the word "NO!" with no other text or explanation.

it does not set a good tone. It makes the user feel as if they have been chastised for asking a question or making a suggestion. It reinforces the illusion of a two tier system for users (old time vs new) when an in-joke is used as a response.

Mobile users have to waste their time and bandwidth downloading a picture instead of a post.

that example was the most recent, there have been a lot more and it has been getting more and more frequent. Some posters only seem to post lolcats/memes in feedback. almost zero actual text or opinion or feedback is given.

Its a small change but its one that will generate more discussion and less animosity / nerdrage which can only be a good thing when it comes to feedback.

5starpool

LoLth wrote: »

update to the charter:

lolcats are creeping back into the feedback forum. As are other internet memes. If you have a point, make it just like another poster took the time and effort to do, don't make a mockery of them by re-hashing some amusing picture or out-of-context-aren't-I-cool-and-hip phrase.

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No issue with this obviously, but there is a typo there.

It reads Memes with be responded to with an infraction which should obviously be Memes will be responded to with an infraction.

/pedant

LoLth

5starpool wrote: »

It reads Memes with be responded to with an infraction which should obviously be Memes will be responded to with an infraction.

/pedant

and peer review proves its worth once more! thanks for the catch. I'll correct that when I get a chance.

Pawwed Rig

I don't know what a lolcat is