Gerry and Kate Mcann promoting Book on Late Late next week

ISDW

racso1975 wrote: »

I dont think the fact they were well off or were doctors is a reason to suspect them.


But this is the only facts i know:

1) The children were deliberatly left alone in the apartment. Not an accident. I dont give a rats what social demographic you fit into that is neglect and impossible to justify or rationalise

2) A child went missing. Yes this could of happened with the parents in the next room etc but fact is there was no adult present.

I cant fathom for the life of me how they were not prosecuted for the above or at the very least had a social worker attached to them. Possibly, due to the media supporting them as opposed to making them public enemy number one, social services felt that the pressure would be to severe etc.

While my thought regarding madaline have always been that if she did die, please god she did not suffer or was not terrified and if she is still alive , as unlikely as that is, that she does not suffer from any form of abuse.


But nothing wil change my mind that a huge proportion of blame lies with the parents.

FFS i stiil use a baby monitor in my 2 yr olds bedroom while i'm downstairs just incase he gets sick in his sleep

Because its not illegal. Irresponsible, yes, wrong, yes, but not illegal. Do you know that they didn't have a social worker attached to them? I imagine they probably did and still do. But again, I wonder what the legal standpoint on that is, as it happened in Portugal and not the UK, their place of residence?

mconigol

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

Why didn't they just employ a baby sitter? I'm sure the resort provided such a service or could arrange something.

No matter what happened, whether the parents were involved or not (which I doubt they were), had they not left their three young children alone in a room while they socialised, that girl would be alive today.

So the parents may not have caused her death but they are 100% responsible.

100% responsible??

That kind of comment is in the same class as blaming rape victims for dressing too provocatively or a stabbing victim for confronting a gang of teenagers over anti-social behavior.

The parents are responsible for being unbelievable stupid and careless.

Whoever abducted the child is 100% responsible for that. No one else.

TheZohanS

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Of course it was wrong to leave their kids alone I ain't arguing with that, but they are suffering the ultimate punishment for doing it.

Hmmm...the ultimate punishment for it would be what then? As far as I'm concerned the ultimate punishment is the loss of their daughter and facing trial for neglect for leaving three babies on their own in an unlocked apartment, on not just one night but for at least two nights.

They claimed that the reason they didn't want to leave the wee scutts with a babysitter was because they didn't want to leave them with a stranger, yet them had no problem leaving them with the same stranger during the day when they were off galavanting.

The McCanns played a role in Madeline's disappearance, they failed miserably at looking after their children, at the very least they should face charges of neglect.

opinion guy

I'm wondering something.

Has either parent gone back to work since Madeline disappeared ?

MagicMarker

ISDW wrote: »

Because its not illegal. Irresponsible, yes, wrong, yes, but not illegal. Do you know that they didn't have a social worker attached to them? I imagine they probably did and still do. But again, I wonder what the legal standpoint on that is, as it happened in Portugal and not the UK, their place of residence?

Child neglect is illegal.

Tipsy McSwagger

TheZohan wrote: »

Hmmm...the ultimate punishment for it would be what then? As far as I'm concerned the ultimate punishment is the loss of their daughter and facing trial for neglect for leaving three babies on their own in an unlocked apartment, on not just one night but for at least two nights.

They claimed that the reason they didn't want to leave the wee scutts with a babysitter was because they didn't want to leave them with a stranger, yet them had no problem leaving them with the same stranger during the day when they were off galavanting.

The McCanns played a role in Madeline's disappearance, they failed miserably at looking after their children, at the very least they should face charges of neglect.

A trial.......for neglect........ok:rolleyes:

racso1975

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

A trial.......for neglect........ok:rolleyes:

Why not?

sham69

This case has stank to high heaven since day one.

Neighbour in other apartment hearing a child crying for 75 mins night or 2 before she SUPPOSEDLY was abducted.

Kate stating that Madelaine was a screamer.

At least one of the tapas 9 swearing to have seen a man walking away from the apartment but didnt think it important enough to say anything at dinner table

One of the couples over hearing a supposed conversation which included references to sexual acts (licking of fingers and suggestive rubbing of nipples etc)

Kate's phone having all calls deleted from it and same with Gerry's.

Sniffer dogs getting scent in house, in rental car etc.

I could go on and on.
I have been following this case with great interest since day one.

The fund has been used to keep Kate and Gerry's mortgage paid and to pay for trips to portugal etc (5 star hotels all the way)
It is known that they have been in financial difficulty for years.

I have had numerous arguements with my other half as she thinks they are innocent but there is something about Gerry that I don't trust, I think he pulled the strings in this and Kate seems to be genuinely devesstated.
I recently saw a video of the holiday where Gerry curses in front of the children and say's something along the lines of "f**c off, I am not here to enjoy myself"

Also , last point is that also supposedly, Kate slept in spare room most nights as Gerry was giving some aerobics instructer the eye.
I know a lot if this is speculation but there is so so much data out there that points to their guilt.
I am surprised they have not been found guilty.
Anyway just my interpretation of it all.
I hope to god I am not right and that Madeline is found unharmed.
As a recent father myself I find it hard to imagine anyone hurting that beautiful child.
I won't even comment on the book.

Tipsy McSwagger

racso1975 wrote: »

Why not?

Because they didn't break any laws.

racso1975

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Because they didn't break any laws.

The Children Act 1989 states that abuse should be considered to have happened when someone's actions have caused a child to suffer significant harm to their health or development.

Significant harm means that someone is:

■punishing a child too much
■hitting or shaking a child
■constantly criticising, threatening or rejecting a child
■sexually interfering with or assaulting a child
■not looking after a child

Tipsy McSwagger

racso1975 wrote: »

The Children Act 1989 states that abuse should be considered to have happened when someone's actions have caused a child to suffer significant harm to their health or development.

Significant harm means that someone is:

■punishing a child too much
■hitting or shaking a child
■constantly criticising, threatening or rejecting a child
■sexually interfering with or assaulting a child
■not looking after a child

Is that Portugese Law?

MagicMarker

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Is that Portugese Law?

If it was would you magically change your opinion?

Guy:Incognito

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I agree let's send them to prison for being careless, that would do a lot of good in the search for Madeline.

Careless? Leaving your wallet on a bus or loseing your keys is careless. Making a concious decision to leave your 3 very young children on their own while you head off for dinner and drinks does not fall in to the catagory of "careless"

I saw a bit in the paper today where they are trying to push blame on to the restaurant because they had a note in the reservation book saying they wanted a table where they could keep an eye on the apartment. Have they no shame at all? Thats ****ing disgracfull. They are to blame, not the ****ing restaurant. I bet if someone that took a reservation hadnt made a note and the table they wanted wasnt available they'd have thrown a hissy fit.

maebee

mconigol wrote: »

100% responsible??

That kind of comment is in the same class as blaming rape victims for dressing too provocatively or a stabbing victim for confronting a gang of teenagers over anti-social behavior.

The parents are responsible for being unbelievable stupid and careless.

Whoever abducted the child is 100% responsible for that. No one else.

There is NO proof that there was an abduction. The McCanns pushed this theory from day one. They refused to consider that Madeleine may have woken and wandered. If you read the official police files you will see that the McCanns have not been truthful. Have you read the statements of the Doctors Gaspar?

mikemac

opinion guy wrote: »

I'm wondering something.

Has either parent gone back to work since Madeline disappeared ?

Gerry is going back to work shortly, I think it's this month

racso1975

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Is that Portugese Law?

According to the Portuguese Constitution, article 8, “The rules and principles of general or customary international law are an integral part of Portuguese law” and “Rules provided for in international conventions that have been duly ratified or approved, shall apply in national law, following their official publication” Portugal ratified and adapted its legislation to most international legal texts concerning children’s rights and the prevention and protection of children against violence.

UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, ratified by Decree of the President of the Portuguese Republic would give more then enough power to prosecute

gypsy_rose

Monfoolio wrote: »

Did the McCanns ever apologise for leaving their kids alone and accept any responsability?

Apologise to who? That's ridiculous..

Tipsy McSwagger

MagicMarker wrote: »

If it was would you magically change your opinion?

How do you magically change your opinion?
The Children's Act 1989 is a British Law and Madeline was abducted in Portugal so it doesn't apply there.

Guy:Incognito

gypsy_rose wrote: »

Apologise to who? That's ridiculous..

They're happy enough throwing blame around, why not appologies?

maebee

They said that they regret that they were not there at the moment (when she was "abducted") and that what they did was within the bounds of responsible parenting :mad: They might have gained a bit more respect/sympathy from the public if they had made a statement advising people never to do what they did. (every single night of that holiday).

maebee

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How do you magically change your opinion?
The Children's Act 1989 is a British Law and Madeline was abducted in Portugal so it doesn't apply there.

There is NO proof that Madeleine was abducted. Her parents keep telling you that but the police tell you that she died in the apartment. Please read the files.

opinion guy

sham69 wrote: »

I have had numerous arguements with my other half as she thinks they are innocent but there is something about Gerry that I don't trust, I think he pulled the strings in this and Kate seems to be genuinely devesstated.

This.
I haven't really followed the case at all but since spotting this thread I've been doing my Cal Lightman impression watching some of their interviews. This is very much the impression I get.

joseph brand

You'd almost swear that Maddie is the only person to have gone missing in the past 10 years. It is awful that she is gone, young child, but there are thousands more.

opinion guy

joseph brand wrote: »

You'd almost swear that Maddie is the only person to have gone missing in the past 10 years. It is awful that she is gone, young child, but there are thousands more.

Tragically true.

MagicMarker

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

How do you magically change your opinion?
The Children's Act 1989 is a British Law and Madeline was abducted in Portugal so it doesn't apply there.

Portugal do have their own laws don't you know? Child abandonment carries a max term of 10 years.

K-9

maebee wrote: »

There is NO proof that Madeleine was abducted. Her parents keep telling you that but the police tell you that she died in the apartment. Please read the files.

That's the thing. I think it's perfectly reasonable to speculate on what might have happened to a 3 year old toddler in an apartment on her own, especially unsupervised, particularly when there is isn't much evidence that she was abducted.

TheZohanS

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

A trial.......for neglect........ok:rolleyes:

Are you William Shatner?

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Because they didn't break any laws.

Yes they did.

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Is that Portugese Law?

Yes it is also in Portuguese law, Google it.

joseph brand

ON SEPT. 7, PORTUGUESE AUTHORITIES named the couple as suspects. Three days later, officials apparently leaked word that Madeleine's DNA had been found in the trunk of a car her parents rented 25 days after the girl went missing. (The parents were still in Portugal at the time. Vowing not to return home without Madeleine, they stayed there until two days after being named suspects, when they returned to England.) At first, the DNA news seemed the first real break in the case in months, and a new theory presented itself: the McCanns wanted a night out with friends, so they drugged their little ones with painkillers or sedatives. Madeleine's dose was mismeasured, or she had an unexpected reaction. The parents somehow hid her corpse for weeks and then got the body out in the trunk of their rental car even though a phalanx of reporters was camped in Praia da Luz.
The McCanns called the theory ludicrous, and this time they got some help in their denials from Portuguese authorities: police chief Alipio Ribeiro said on Portuguese TV that DNA tests on the car were not conclusive.
3. At the very least, aren't the McCanns guilty of negligence?
MADELEINE AND HER SIBLINGS WERE ALONE in their room while Kate and Gerry ate and drank with seven friends. How much the nine vacationers drank is another point of dispute; the amounts range from the just over four bottles of wine claimed by the McCanns to the 14 bottles alleged in some Portuguese news reports. The Ocean Club offers babysitters, but neither the McCanns nor their friends hired one. Instead, they apparently agreed to check on their kids every half hour. Once again, there are conflicting reports about whether the checks were carried out with precise regularity.
The tapas bar is roughly a 400-ft. (120 m) walk from the apartment where the McCann kids were sleeping. But the view from the bar to the apartment--a residential building occupied by locals as well as Ocean Club guests--is obscured by a wall, and the walk requires a circuitous route around the pool. What's more, the McCanns' apartment was on the ground floor, and the couple had left the place unlocked.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1661684,00.html#ixzz1LrER1g5T

I remember hearing about the sleeping pills being given to keep the kids asleep and a while back. Gerry McCanns' profession made him comfortable doing this.

Also, why leave apartment unlocked?? May aswell leave door swinging open. Never mind the fact that someone could enter, but couldn't a child also leave?
The parents are either selfish idiots or monsters.

Our kids are with my wife and I ALL DAY when we on hols. We only leave them alone in their rooms at night. Simple really.

mayotom

MagicMarker wrote: »

Portugal do have their own laws don't you know? Child abandonment carries a max term of 10 years.

And Child services down here are quiet good at what they do...

feelings are quiet strong in the area about the whole Madeline McCann affair, from the begging locals were quiet sure that the McCann's were not telling the full story. In the early days they did get sympathy from the local community but their actions in the years since has made them very unwelcome in the area, they rarely visit the area where their child was supposedly abducted(most people in their situation would be drawn to the place as a memorial), Their court actions against the PJ Police using the countries top(most expensive) lawyers automatically added to peoples sceptisism and the money they have spent on worldwide court injunctions against the publications of the book by the lead investigators proves that they are more concerned about their own reputation than the welfare of their child.

having read the book(was released in Portuguese, but withdrawn from the bookshelves within days) there was overwhelming circumstantial evidence that pointed to the McCann's involvement and discrepancies in their version of events, but their legal team were good at what they do much the same as we often hear in Ireland about cases been dropped due to "technicalities" .

Personally I think that they have milked this far too much (weather they told the truth or not), they have turned this into an enterprise and it is no longer about their daughter, greed has taken over and that makes me feel sick to think about them

ISDW

joseph brand wrote: »

You'd almost swear that Maddie is the only person to have gone missing in the past 10 years. It is awful that she is gone, young child, but there are thousands more.

This is very, very true. So, how come everyone still hears about this case? How come people still keep an eye out on holiday just in case they see a little girl that looks like her? Maybe its because the parents keep it in the public eye. Maybe its their way of dealing with the fact that they left her alone that night, to try and assuage their own guilt somehow? I don't know, and neither does anybody else on here unless you have information about this, in which case you really should go to the police and give your evidence.

I really hope that nobody on this board ever has to go through anything like this, and I really hope that they never have to deal with the media pressuring them the way they were followed, filmed, interviewed etc etc when it happened. I have never been through anything like this Thank God, but I don't know how I'd react with journalists questioning me all the time, pointing cameras at every move I made. In a foreign country with a police force that I know nothing about questioning me, not knowing how their law works. How do you know how you would react?